The Trial in the Case of George Floyd

BostonTim

IIWII
Joined
Apr 9, 2005
Messages
34,861
Reaction score
6,030
Points
113
Age
73
hearing about this story on the radio , i could guess a few things because it was being publicized and people like lebron were chiming in
victim=black
cop=white
if you hate what you feel is unjustified violence by police, why is it only when the above 2 things are true that you holler?
Excellent Q

Cheers
 

Inspector_50

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 30, 2020
Messages
4,933
Reaction score
928
Points
113
Location
California
Excellent Q

Cheers
Not sure who is being talked to here, but thats false. There have been plenty of cases where a white person was killed by a cop and should not have been, but with that said, it does happen more so with the black community being killed in these cases. Black people are 100 percent treated different than white people during crimes. I see white people walk out of a movie house after mowing 16 people down, fully armed blood all over him, and he is not shot. I see a 14 year old lifting his hands and throwing down a gun getting shot. There is in fact a very bad stigma with some cops and black people and brown people. Does this come down to training? Does it come down to who becomes a cop? Not sure, but that is what they have to figure out.
 

Providence Colt

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 30, 2009
Messages
6,011
Reaction score
815
Points
113
Location
Boston, MA
The same thing happened each time there was a stimulus. The collaborator cited in that tweet has studies in the Hamilton Project that says the stimulus EBT was working. That was in July 2020.
Hey I agree, the two stimulus packages (along with the First Step Act) were my favorite legislative accomplishments from the Trump-era.

If some is good, more is better and I’m glad we got what we did in Biden’s stimulus package as well.
 
OP
johnlocke

johnlocke

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 11, 2008
Messages
13,253
Reaction score
4,850
Points
113
Age
48
Location
Salisbury, NH
Not sure who is being talked to here, but thats false. There have been plenty of cases where a white person was killed by a cop and should not have been, but with that said, it does happen more so with the black community being killed in these cases. Black people are 100 percent treated different than white people during crimes. I see white people walk out of a movie house after mowing 16 people down, fully armed blood all over him, and he is not shot. I see a 14 year old lifting his hands and throwing down a gun getting shot. There is in fact a very bad stigma with some cops and black people and brown people. Does this come down to training? Does it come down to who becomes a cop? Not sure, but that is what they have to figure out.

It has been demonstrated clearly by 2 posters in the last 48 hours with real-world numbers that blacks are not killed at a higher rate than white by police.
 

Inspector_50

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 30, 2020
Messages
4,933
Reaction score
928
Points
113
Location
California
It has been demonstrated clearly by 2 posters in the last 48 hours with real-world numbers that blacks are not killed at a higher rate than white by police.
Its about why they were killed. There are more white people than black people, and sorry but I trust some of the sources on here as much as I trust the enquirer. Again, its different. 100's of people break into the capital building, are high fiving cops, and allowed to leave. A black guy comes to the capital to do it and is killed. There is a difference, they are in fact treated different and that is the issue. An issue that has to be taken care of.
 

foobahl

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 6, 2007
Messages
4,329
Reaction score
1,853
Points
113
Location
the only Henniker on earth
Its about why they were killed. There are more white people than black people, and sorry but I trust some of the sources on here as much as I trust the enquirer. Again, its different. 100's of people break into the capital building, are high fiving cops, and allowed to leave. A black guy comes to the capital to do it and is killed. There is a difference, they are in fact treated different and that is the issue. An issue that has to be taken care of.
Huh. What incidents are you citing?
 

tehmackdaddy

post tenebras lux
Joined
Nov 7, 2006
Messages
19,303
Reaction score
2,265
Points
113
Location
IN the world, but not OF the world
Funny, but most religions had no issue whatsoever with having either very limited numbers of people at their religious services or having services by remote virtual videoconferencing or sitting outside in a religious facility's parking lot while a sermon was being given by microphone.
Christians ABSOLUTELY had an issue with not being able to attend church, but they were forced to adapt.

Christianity explicitly calls for worshipping together. This was shut down. 1st amendment violated.

The right to peaceably assemble was banned. 1st amendment violated.

What you think "the Christian thing to do" does not mean the Constitution was not violated.
 

PatsFanLisa

No filter
Joined
Oct 9, 2007
Messages
24,474
Reaction score
4,461
Points
113
Location
Sharon
Christians ABSOLUTELY had an issue with not being able to attend church, but they were forced to adapt.

Christianity explicitly calls for worshipping together. This was shut down. 1st amendment violated.

The right to peaceably assemble was banned. 1st amendment violated.

What you think "the Christian thing to do" does not mean the Constitution was not violated.
You can worship together on Zoom.

I'm unsure why people don't understand these have been extraordinary circumstances where there's beena nationwide public health risk. Sacrifices have been made by all, or at least those who understood the dangers of this pandemic. Temporary measures should have and have been taken. It's a shame everyone didn't follow them for a couple of months to begin with so this wouldn't have dragged out for going on a year and a half.

Sorry, but this is a weak argument. I don't believe anyone's rights were violated. I think safety measures are a small ask so people, fellow Americans, don't die. And yes, the Christian thing to do is to want to protect those around us, you know the whole do unto others thing.
 

ParanoidPatriot

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 19, 2007
Messages
9,975
Reaction score
1,624
Points
113
Location
in my shed
This country is going to take decades to fix because of the destruction of the last four years. The fact that Trump kept drumming into his base the notion that they were "true patriots" insinuating that anyone who didn't support him were not patriots has created a movement in this country that has drawn a line. We saw that on January 6th. It's disgusting - I had a father who served as a medic in the Army, a brother who was served in the Army, and uncle who was killed in a action, a mother who was a WAC in WW2. These people believe, truly believe, that they are the ones who are going to save this country. The truth and reality is that they are the furthest thing from patriots.

The whole "liberty" mantra is sheer bullshit, the religious liberty, the 2A liberty, the 1A liberty. It's nothing more than a red herring. This country has always had religious freedom, always had gun freedom, always had free speech. But put the fear into people that it's going to be taken away, and you have what we've got now - a very large segment of the population who is in fear because of one man who pounded it repeatedly into their minds that the "radical left" is trying to take away their freedoms.

Here's the reality: Religious liberty is nothing more than being able to discriminate against certain people and taking away women's rights. That's it. Nothing is preventing anyone from practicing their religion in this country. It's all about gays and abortion. Gotta stop it at all costs because someone's religious beliefs says it's wrong. How is that infringing on YOUR (not you personally, the collective you) religious liberties? Nobody is forcing you to be gay or even accept someone else being gay? No one is forcing you to have an abortion. Doctors now being able to not treat someone because they're gay? They took an oath to treat people in need of medical care, not treat only people who don't have the same sexual proclivities that they have. It's discrimination, pure and simple.

2A liberties? In this country, there are at least 50 percent of our states where you don't even need a permit to own a gun. Just go out and get one. In the states that require a permit or LTC there are some requirements like MA - take a 4-hour gun safety class, pass a CORI, get fingerprinted, have no felony convictions, and you're good to go. And that's about the strictest gun law around. I have an LTC. I have a firearm with me 24 hours a day. Do I think there should be some reform? You bet I do. Do I believe that if you've had a domestic violence offense, have a restraining order on you, have mental health issues, have a felony record for a violent crime that you are a red flag and shouldn't be able to purchase a weapon? Yes, absolutely. Do I think there should be private sales with no background checks? Absolutely not. Does any of this mean that liberals, like me, want to take away your right to own a gun? Of course not. And your right to own a gun will NEVER be taken away. It's emblazoned in the Constitution and is nothing more than propaganda pounded into this country by the NRA. It's the foundation of their money grab. But there should be some reforms.

Freedom of speech? Sure, except now we have states literally enacting laws where it's perfectly fine to hit people with your car if they're in the street protesting. Seriously? Do you know how many Heather Heyers this is going to cause? More than three people gathering to protest is rioting and a felony arrest? It's unbelievable. THAT is a restriction of 1A, and it's only happening in red states. Do you honestly believe that the repeated, constant bleating by Trump for six months before the election saying if he loses the election is rigged, if he loses the election will be riddled with fraud, if he loses the election will be stolen, and the democrats will steal the election, the radical left will steal the election, the election was stolen, stop the steal, so much fraud, fight like hell, didn't create an atmosphere in this country that lives and grows like rampant weeds right now and is a source for hatred, that it didn't fuel what happened on 1/6? It wasn't his speech on the morning of 1/6 that caused the insurrection. It was the months of hateful rhetoric and lies that he spewed at his rallies, on twitter, every single day, building and building a momentum that culminated in what happened. But he has 1A rights, as we all do, so nobody stopped him from his psychological abuse that he perpetrated on his vulnerable base.

So, do I think this country is going in the right direction? Yes. Yes, I do. I think having someone in charge who can tamp down the hateful rhetoric, stop separating the red states from the blue states in his public talks and speeches, repeating that we are one country, assisting with things like child care and health care and better schools for those who live at the poverty level, taking steps towards climate change, taking steps on infrastructure to not only fix our roads and bridges but our pipes that are rotted and rusted so there's clean water, our cabling system so rural and poor areas have internet, our airports, on and on, not being isolationist and once again being the country that has allies, is a step in the right direction.

Racial strife? It's not going away because it's always been there. People now more than ever are in fear that this won't be a white majority country in 50 years, many believing that white are superior still. There IS racial inequality in this country, in our schools, in our judicial system, in our policing. It simply cannot be denied.

I could go on, but this is lengthy enough. And thank you - I consider you an intelligent person, also. Hope you and yours are well.
I get up every morning fearing that there won't be a.white majority in 50 years.
Then in the evening I start hating myself because of my whiteness and all the terrible, terrible things whites have done. I must feel guilty and self loathing even though I personally have done nothing wrong. But that's the white burden that I must carry in 2021.
 

AnOldTroll

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 10, 2005
Messages
5,079
Reaction score
1,586
Points
113
Location
America's Finest City
This country is going to take decades to fix because of the destruction of the last four years. The fact that Trump kept drumming into his base the notion that they were "true patriots" insinuating that anyone who didn't support him were not patriots has created a movement in this country that has drawn a line. We saw that on January 6th. It's disgusting - I had a father who served as a medic in the Army, a brother who was served in the Army, and uncle who was killed in a action, a mother who was a WAC in WW2. These people believe, truly believe, that they are the ones who are going to save this country. The truth and reality is that they are the furthest thing from patriots.

The whole "liberty" mantra is sheer bullshit, the religious liberty, the 2A liberty, the 1A liberty. It's nothing more than a red herring. This country has always had religious freedom, always had gun freedom, always had free speech. But put the fear into people that it's going to be taken away, and you have what we've got now - a very large segment of the population who is in fear because of one man who pounded it repeatedly into their minds that the "radical left" is trying to take away their freedoms.

Here's the reality: Religious liberty is nothing more than being able to discriminate against certain people and taking away women's rights. That's it. Nothing is preventing anyone from practicing their religion in this country. It's all about gays and abortion. Gotta stop it at all costs because someone's religious beliefs says it's wrong. How is that infringing on YOUR (not you personally, the collective you) religious liberties? Nobody is forcing you to be gay or even accept someone else being gay? No one is forcing you to have an abortion. Doctors now being able to not treat someone because they're gay? They took an oath to treat people in need of medical care, not treat only people who don't have the same sexual proclivities that they have. It's discrimination, pure and simple.

2A liberties? In this country, there are at least 50 percent of our states where you don't even need a permit to own a gun. Just go out and get one. In the states that require a permit or LTC there are some requirements like MA - take a 4-hour gun safety class, pass a CORI, get fingerprinted, have no felony convictions, and you're good to go. And that's about the strictest gun law around. I have an LTC. I have a firearm with me 24 hours a day. Do I think there should be some reform? You bet I do. Do I believe that if you've had a domestic violence offense, have a restraining order on you, have mental health issues, have a felony record for a violent crime that you are a red flag and shouldn't be able to purchase a weapon? Yes, absolutely. Do I think there should be private sales with no background checks? Absolutely not. Does any of this mean that liberals, like me, want to take away your right to own a gun? Of course not. And your right to own a gun will NEVER be taken away. It's emblazoned in the Constitution and is nothing more than propaganda pounded into this country by the NRA. It's the foundation of their money grab. But there should be some reforms.

Freedom of speech? Sure, except now we have states literally enacting laws where it's perfectly fine to hit people with your car if they're in the street protesting. Seriously? Do you know how many Heather Heyers this is going to cause? More than three people gathering to protest is rioting and a felony arrest? It's unbelievable. THAT is a restriction of 1A, and it's only happening in red states. Do you honestly believe that the repeated, constant bleating by Trump for six months before the election saying if he loses the election is rigged, if he loses the election will be riddled with fraud, if he loses the election will be stolen, and the democrats will steal the election, the radical left will steal the election, the election was stolen, stop the steal, so much fraud, fight like hell, didn't create an atmosphere in this country that lives and grows like rampant weeds right now and is a source for hatred, that it didn't fuel what happened on 1/6? It wasn't his speech on the morning of 1/6 that caused the insurrection. It was the months of hateful rhetoric and lies that he spewed at his rallies, on twitter, every single day, building and building a momentum that culminated in what happened. But he has 1A rights, as we all do, so nobody stopped him from his psychological abuse that he perpetrated on his vulnerable base.

So, do I think this country is going in the right direction? Yes. Yes, I do. I think having someone in charge who can tamp down the hateful rhetoric, stop separating the red states from the blue states in his public talks and speeches, repeating that we are one country, assisting with things like child care and health care and better schools for those who live at the poverty level, taking steps towards climate change, taking steps on infrastructure to not only fix our roads and bridges but our pipes that are rotted and rusted so there's clean water, our cabling system so rural and poor areas have internet, our airports, on and on, not being isolationist and once again being the country that has allies, is a step in the right direction.

Racial strife? It's not going away because it's always been there. People now more than ever are in fear that this won't be a white majority country in 50 years, many believing that white are superior still. There IS racial inequality in this country, in our schools, in our judicial system, in our policing. It simply cannot be denied.

I could go on, but this is lengthy enough. And thank you - I consider you an intelligent person, also. Hope you and yours are well.
hmm. ok thank you. Amazes me how folks view things. I pray you are right. Don't get offended please, I think you have everything backwards. I have different eyes.
 

AnOldTroll

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 10, 2005
Messages
5,079
Reaction score
1,586
Points
113
Location
America's Finest City
You know, I only try to speak out when I think my children are going to be affected. I mean in a way different than me, I am so fortunate to be born in the USA, I have made a good life, w/o help. And I help others. But come on. We have think where we are heading. Ugh.
 

tehmackdaddy

post tenebras lux
Joined
Nov 7, 2006
Messages
19,303
Reaction score
2,265
Points
113
Location
IN the world, but not OF the world
Its about why they were killed. There are more white people than black people, and sorry but I trust some of the sources on here as much as I trust the enquirer. Again, its different. 100's of people break into the capital building, are high fiving cops, and allowed to leave. A black guy comes to the capital to do it and is killed. There is a difference, they are in fact treated different and that is the issue. An issue that has to be taken care of.
That's what they want you to think.

By the way, the only source who compiles statistics for police shootings of unarmed people is not Fox, Newsmax, or even the NRA. It is The Washington Post.

If you don't like the statistics, take it up with one of the most left-leaning media outlets out there.
 

tehmackdaddy

post tenebras lux
Joined
Nov 7, 2006
Messages
19,303
Reaction score
2,265
Points
113
Location
IN the world, but not OF the world
You can worship together on Zoom.

I'm unsure why people don't understand these have been extraordinary circumstances where there's beena nationwide public health risk. Sacrifices have been made by all, or at least those who understood the dangers of this pandemic. Temporary measures should have and have been taken. It's a shame everyone didn't follow them for a couple of months to begin with so this wouldn't have dragged out for going on a year and a half.

Sorry, but this is a weak argument. I don't believe anyone's rights were violated. I think safety measures are a small ask so people, fellow Americans, don't die. And yes, the Christian thing to do is to want to protect those around us, you know the whole do unto others thing.
How 1) you, a non-Christian, thinks Christians should act of their own volition and 2) governments banning the free exercise of religion or to peaceably assemble are entirely separate concepts. You are conflating them and justifying the latter based on your opinion of the former.

The First Amendment was violated. You are free to have the opinion that violation was justifiable given extenuating circumstances, and that is fine as we can agree or disagree on that, but it was violated...by definition.
 

deec77

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 8, 2008
Messages
17,548
Reaction score
8,895
Points
113
Its about why they were killed. There are more white people than black people, and sorry but I trust some of the sources on here as much as I trust the enquirer. Again, its different. 100's of people break into the capital building, are high fiving cops, and allowed to leave. A black guy comes to the capital to do it and is killed. There is a difference, they are in fact treated with different and that is the issue. An issue that has to be taken care of.

Ashley Babbitt.....was an unarmed white women....... I’m not condoning the stupidity of those who breached the Capital just pointing out that’s not entirely correct. Not only was she killed but it was filmed by a black man standing a few feet away.

~Dee~
 
Last edited:

Coltsfan2theend

Custom Titles, we don't need no custom titles
Joined
Oct 15, 2009
Messages
9,857
Reaction score
2,416
Points
113
Will this be enough to get the conviction thrown out and a new trial? Who knows but I bet if there was one, there was more. I honestly don’t know if you would be able to find a jury of 12 completely free from any form of bias though. Especially now.
 

aloyouis

at least generally aware
Joined
May 27, 2006
Messages
8,673
Reaction score
2,763
Points
113
Location
Michigan
In my opinion Twitter is a cesspool for crazy extremist to post any shit that they

That is the condescending attitude that the left has toward minorities. "You can't make it in America unless we help you".It's the big lie that is repeated over and over again for years and years.
But yet they can make it in America and those who stop believing the great lie actually do.
They are told that they can't get valid ID's over and over so they don't try. But those who do try find it's no problem at all.
False. They get ID's. There are too many things they would need to give up without having a valid ID. It is a made up excuse to allow for continued voter fraud.
 
Last edited:
Top