Time For A New Kicker...

Stop it. It's an extra point. 33 yards.

Kickoffs are off a damned tee.

Stop making excuses.

As many have said above and I will reiterate now: He has been too good for too long. Blind demands for what might be behind door #2 are short sighted.

It is a long season; give him time. He has earned it.

As if any of us have any say anyway. BB isn't going to undermine his 2nd career kicker because of complaining on PP.
 
I think I'll stick with Ghost after watching this seattle, cardinals shit show... Jesus h Christ those guys blow
 
I think I'll stick with Ghost after watching this seattle, cardinals shit show... Jesus h Christ those guys blow

I was thinking the same thing. That was epic ineptitude.
 
Maybe BB will draft this guy next year in the 5th round. He's pretty damned good.

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Daniel Carlson


  • HometownColorado Springs, CO
  • Height6-4
  • Weight218 lbs.
Daniel Carlson Stats


<table class="tablehead" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3"><tbody><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="14">KICKING Stats</td></tr> <tr class="colhead"><td width="8%">YEAR</td><td width="8%">TEAM</td> <td class="textright" title="Field goals made">FGM</td> <td class="textright" title="Field goals attempted">FGA</td> <td class="textright" title="Percentage of field goals made">PCT</td> <td class="textright">1-19</td> <td class="textright">20-29</td> <td class="textright">30-39</td> <td class="textright">40-49</td> <td class="textright">50+</td> <td class="textright" title="Longest FGM">LNG</td> <td class="textright" title="Extra points made">XPM</td> <td class="textright" title="Extra points attempted">XPA</td> <td class="textright" title="Total kicking points">PTS</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow"><td>2016</td><td>
</td><td class="textright">13</td> <td class="textright">14</td> <td class="textright">92.9</td> <td class="textright">1-1</td> <td class="textright">4-4</td> <td class="textright">5-5</td> <td class="textright">1-1</td> <td class="textright">2-3</td> <td class="textright">53</td> <td class="textright">29</td> <td class="textright">29</td> <td class="textright">68</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow"><td>2015</td><td>
</td><td class="textright">23</td> <td class="textright">27</td> <td class="textright">85.2</td> <td class="textright">0-0</td> <td class="textright">8-10</td> <td class="textright">7-7</td> <td class="textright">4-5</td> <td class="textright">4-5</td> <td class="textright">56</td> <td class="textright">40</td> <td class="textright">40</td> <td class="textright">109</td></tr></tbody></table>
 
No doubt they draft a kicker next spring (3rd or 4th rounder) and they jettison Ghost if he keeps up this inconsistency
 
Short kick offs the culprit?

I wondered about that after one of the early home games (Miami, I think) wherein Gostowski put 5 kicks down near the goal line and all of them were high, arcing-type kicks.

It occured to me that it's one thing to blast a line drive through the end zone, but he seemed to be really winding up to get enough height on the ball to give his guys a chance to cover it properly, which he was very successful at on that day and helped keep them in long field situations.

Since kicking is a close analogy to the golf swing, I'd compare it to somebody who likes to drive the ball long off the tee. Often, the easiest way to get yourself screwed up in golf is to do a John Daly full windup and try to kill it. I've been through that many times and it's hard to hold back a little in the interest of accuracy once you've just crushed it long and straight.

That's my guess as to what his problem is. Purely mechanical and part of it is that his routine has been altered by the new kickoff rule and he needs to find his scwing again.

I choose to believe that he will get it squared away because he has been too good for too long to think otherwise. Let him work it out his own way and don't make too big a deal of it.
 
I think I'll stick with Ghost after watching this seattle, cardinals shit show... Jesus h Christ those guys blow

You make a good point. However, Stephen Gostkowski is currently ranked tied for #21 making 9 for 12 FGs = 75% of mades/attempts. Gost has been in the top 10 for many years past and is currently in the top 15-18ish.

So I think we should allow him to get his mechanics, holding, snapper issues ironed out then I believe he will be back into his standard best position or in that vicinity. :coffee:
 
I wondered about that after one of the early home games (Miami, I think) wherein Gostowski put 5 kicks down near the goal line and all of them were high, arcing-type kicks.

It occured to me that it's one thing to blast a line drive through the end zone, but he seemed to be really winding up to get enough height on the ball to give his guys a chance to cover it properly, which he was very successful at on that day and helped keep them in long field situations.

Since kicking is a close analogy to the golf swing, I'd compare it to somebody who likes to drive the ball long off the tee. Often, the easiest way to get yourself screwed up in golf is to do a John Daly full windup and try to kill it. I've been through that many times and it's hard to hold back a little in the interest of accuracy once you've just crushed it long and straight.

That's my guess as to what his problem is. Purely mechanical and part of it is that his routine has been altered by the new kickoff rule and he needs to find his scwing again.

I choose to believe that he will get it squared away because he has been too good for too long to think otherwise. Let him work it out his own way and don't make too big a deal of it.

Thanks this does make a ton of sense.

~Dee~
 
Reiss had this bit in his Sunday notes yesterday.

1. Patriots kicker Stephen Gostkowski is the last person to make excuses for a slower-than-usual start to the season (has missed field goals of 39, 48 and 50 yards and an extra point), as he has publicly stated multiple times that his performance isn’t up to his standard. But quietly behind the scenes, some within the Patriots' organization are hoping changes made to the Gillette Stadium playing field in recent days could help the 11-year veteran find his groove more consistently. Several players have commented in recent weeks that the field has been particularly soft, and thus it was notable to them that work was done to harden it. This isn’t quite like 2006 when the Patriots lost to Eric Mangini’s Jets in a rain-soaked game as players had trouble with footing, which was followed by the club ripping up the natural-grass field and having a synthetic field installed in the middle of the season. But it also seemed to be more than routine maintenance. Three of Gostkowski’s four misses have come at home, but perhaps more than that, it’s also the surface on which he practices daily.

Not sure how much the "softness" the field would impact his mechanics, but I would guess that it could influence his plant foot.

If a "soft" field would allow for more movement of the plant foot, then I can see how that could impact the mechanics of his kick.

So if he's trying to compensate for the "moving" plant foot during practice, then that could become part of his kicking motion and impact his kicks everywhere.

I'm not sure just what one would do to the turf at Gillette to make it "harder".
 
Reiss had this bit in his Sunday notes yesterday.



Not sure how much the "softness" the field would impact his mechanics, but I would guess that it could influence his plant foot.

If a "soft" field would allow for more movement of the plant foot, then I can see how that could impact the mechanics of his kick.

So if he's trying to compensate for the "moving" plant foot during practice, then that could become part of his kicking motion and impact his kicks everywhere.

I'm not sure just what one would do to the turf at Gillette to make it "harder".

I assume removing some of the bits of rubber would make the grass longer and help his plant foot grip the turf and less rubber means less separation to the hard subsurface.

all I got.

I fear now the longer grass causes knee issues because it catches in the synthetic grass.
 
Reiss had this bit in his Sunday notes yesterday.



Not sure how much the "softness" the field would impact his mechanics, but I would guess that it could influence his plant foot.

If a "soft" field would allow for more movement of the plant foot, then I can see how that could impact the mechanics of his kick.

So if he's trying to compensate for the "moving" plant foot during practice, then that could become part of his kicking motion and impact his kicks everywhere.

I'm not sure just what one would do to the turf at Gillette to make it "harder".

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I'm not sure just what one would do to the turf at Gillette to make it "harder".

cialis?:coffee:
 
http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports...g-staff-will-be-there-for-stephen-gostkowski/



BILL BELICHICK EXPLAINS IN GREAT DETAIL HOW HIS COACHING STAFF WILL BE THERE FOR STEPHEN GOSTKOWSKI
10.24.16 at 11:33 am ET
By Mike Petraglia


When Bill Belichick says he has faith in Stephen Gostkowski to “work through” his struggles, the Patriots coach is going to offer more than just moral support.
Belichick was asked about his kicker again on Monday in a conference call with reporters. Belichick was asked how much special teams coaching support there is with the Patriots. Starting with special teams coordinator Joe Judge, Belichick made it clear that Gostkowski is not in the battle alone.

“I can’t speak for other teams. I think Joe’s very knowledgable about the techniques of kicking,” Belichick said. “I know when I became a special teams coach and coached special teams for many years as an assistant coach, and I continue to be involve with it as a head coach, that’s one of the things I had to learn. I had to learn how to coach those individual specialists, the snappers, the kickers, the punters, the returners. I don’t think it’s any different than coaching any other position. Things you don’t know, you need to learn. The things you do know, you need to be able to teach to the players, however you acquire that information.”

Belichick then recalled how he’s had the chance to learn how to coach different positions from some of the greatest to play.

“Some of that certainly comes from the players, especially when you coach good players at the position that you’re coaching, you can learn a lot from them, just like I learned a lot from many of the players that I coached. Going back to people like Dave Jennings as a punts or Carl Banks or Lawrence Taylor or Pepper [Johnson], guys like that, as linebackers with the Giants. However you acquire that information, you acquire it and you have to be able to convey it and teach it to the players and recognize technique or judgment.

“There’s a whole host of things that go into performance but all the things that are related to those, [you need to] be able to figure out which ones are the most important and which ones need to be corrected and so forth. I think Joe’s very knowledgeable on that, as was Scott O’Brien. I have a lot of experience with that myself. That’s what coaching is. You don’t know, then you’ve got to find out. Nobody knows everything. No coach knows everything about every position. Maybe a guy’s played it for a decade, he might be well-versed in that position. But I’d say for the most of the rest of us that haven’t done that, things you don’t know, you’ve got to learn, you’ve got to find out, you’ve got to figure them out.”

Gostkowski has missed extra points in back-to-back games after not missing in a regular season game since 2006. He’s 9-for-12 in field goals. In Week 1, Gostkowski was named AFC special teams player of the week, not just for his three field goals but his precision with kickoffs that pinned the Cardinals deep in their territory. With the amount of emphasis on different types of kickoffs, Belichick was asked if that could be affecting Gostkowski’s motion when striking the ball on field goals and extra points.

“I think they’re definitely different. I don’t think there’s any question about that,” Belichick conceded. “It’d be like a golfer, you’ve got to be able to hit a sand wedge, you’ve got to be able to hit a 5-iron, you’ve got to be able to drive, you’ve got to be able to putt. That’s what kickers and punters do. There’s plus-50 punts, there’s field goals, there’s kickoffs, there’s back-up punts, there’s punts against a heavy rush, there’s punts against a six-man box where the gunners are getting double-teamed. And just like golf, there’s wind conditions and not wind conditions and so forth.

“It’s not like you’re standing out there on the driving range and banging the ball away every time, especially on place kicks. You’re dealing with a center and a holder and timing on the play so it’s not like you’re just placing the ball down there on the tee and kicking it like you are a golf ball or a kickoff. Yeah, they’re definitely different. Whether it’s a punter or kicker you’re talking about, they have to master different skills, different kicks, different types of kicks, different things that are specific to their position.

“Just like every other player and every other athlete, for the most part, has to do. Basketball players can’t [just] shoot free throws. You have to make some other shots, too. That’s part of the position, being able to do the things that are required at that position and, yeah, they’re not all the same. But I don’t think they’re all the same for anybody.”
 
I assume removing some of the bits of rubber would make the grass longer and help his plant foot grip the turf and less rubber means less separation to the hard subsurface.

all I got.

I fear now the longer grass causes knee issues because it catches in the synthetic grass.

Well since the term used as "soft" I can only think of two possibilities.

Either it is soft "vertically" or soft "horizontally", or perhaps a combination.

The vertical softness would be how much "springiness" is in the turf and if one pulled up the rug and modified whatever layer(s) are below the turf that could alter that aspect.

The horizontal part would be akin to how taught a drum skin, or wall to wall carpeting is.

So perhaps they adjusted the tension on the turf at the sidelines in a fashion similar to how a rug installer knees the carpet into the wall and then stretches it across the floor.
 
Bring back Randy Moss! Could run fakes too.

Hits two 28 yard field goals in dress shoes no less.

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