Top 10 QB'S

[Dacron Dakar]

Where is Chris Chandler?
Rodney Pete?
Steve DeBerg?
Billy Kilmer?
Steve Lomax?
Aaron Brooks?
David Gerrard?
Brian Greise?
Chris Miller?
Elvis Grbac?
Stan Humphries?
Scott Mitchell?
Don Majikowski?
Jay Feidler?
RG3?
Marc Wilson?
Steve Bono?
Rick Mirer?
Marques Tuiasosopo?
and Jamarcus Russell?

Where is....

YA Tittle
John Brodie
Frankie Albert
Roman Gabriel
Jeff Garcia
Bob Waterfield
Bobby Layne
Willie Thrower
Bill Wade
Tobin Rote
Dan Fouts
Andrew Luck
Bobby Douglas
Donovan McNabb
Tony Romo
George Blanda
Frank Tripucka
Babe Parilli
Jack Kemp
Boomer Esaison
Charley Johnson
Jim McMahan
Jim Hart
Joe Kapp
Sid Luckman
Tommy Kramer
Vinnie Testerverde
Bert Jones
James Harris
Steve McNair
Danny White
Earl Morrall
Jim Plunkett
Bill Nelson
Steve Bartkowski
Archie Manning
Jimmy G
Kordell Stewart
and..............Frank Ryan

 

[Stevo]

I thought Matt Stafford in the top ten was wild and the scrolled down to people taking Manning out of it.

 

[Dacron Dakar]

I thought Matt Stafford in the top ten was wild and the scrolled down to people taking Manning out of it.

SB Champ, soon to be MVP, has top 10 numbers and ain't done yet.

Do think the voters....ah hell Maye is young he'll win one someday, Stafford is running out of time.

 

[Flagg the Wanderer]

I thought Matt Stafford in the top ten was wild and the scrolled down to people taking Manning out of it.

Yeah, I agree. Stafford as top 10 all time is out there, and I've been a fan of his game overall since he was in Det-twah.

Surprised no one brought up Warren Moon or Brett Favre. I wouldn't agree with either of them either, but typically I've seen them in a discussion like this, at least as a mention.

 

[Splunge52]

Doug Flutie
3X Grey Cup Champion
3X Grey Cup MVP
6X CFL Most Outstanding Player
6X CFL All Star

I mean these have to count for something.

He drop kicked a PAT once.

 

[3 Point Stan]

Here's a tough one:

Where does Drew Bledsoe rank? Does he crack that 11-20? 21-30? Lower?

 

[zeke mowatt]

Here's a tough one:

Where does Drew Bledsoe rank? Does he crack that 11-20? 21-30? Lower?

#1 in our hearts. My heart anyway…
And to say the old timers faced inferior defenses is kinda whack. Not as complex or exotic I’ll concede. But more physical and less hamstrung by rules.
They’d decapitate QBs and it took a special kind of player to catch passes over the middle. Diva WRs would get sorted out real quick.

 

[Dacron Dakar]

#1 in our hearts. My heart anyway…
And to say the old timers faced inferior defenses is kinda whack. Not as complex or exotic I’ll concede. But more physical and less hamstrung by rules.
They’d decapitate QBs and it took a special kind of player to catch passes over the middle. Diva WRs would get sorted out real quick.

It's 1985, William "Frig" Perry is an oddity at 300 pounds, he gets a ton of attention because he is just too big.

Back in the 60;s Gene "Big Daddy" Lipscomb stood out like a sore thumb at 6-6 285.

Today we see high school teams with kids bigger than that, every NFL team had a lot of 300 plus players.

Then there;s that speed difference, there were no 4.4 cornerbacks back in the day. So those defences were smaller, weaker and slower, simply a fact.

Key word......velocity. A 220 pounder with 4,5 jets coming from a distance is a weapon.

I drive by my old high school now and then see the players out there practicing, those kids are far FAR bigger than we were back in the day.

I ran track in the off season today these kids have a weight room and spend the down time lifting, we didn't have a weight room.

Why the rules changes to make the game safer. yep, the athletes are too big too strong and too fast nowadays.

Actually we have out grown football, the game was never meant to be played by this kind of an atlete.

 

[zeke mowatt]

It's 1985, William "Frig" Perry is an oddity at 300 pounds, he gets a ton of attention because he is just too big.

Back in the 60;s Gene "Big Daddy" Lipscomb stood out like a sore thumb at 6-6 285.

Today we see high school teams with kids bigger than that, every NFL team had a lot of 300 plus players.

Then there;s that speed difference, there were no 4.4 cornerbacks back in the day. So those defences were smaller, weaker and slower, simply a fact.

Key word......velocity. A 220 pounder with 4,5 jets coming from a distance is a weapon.

I drive by my old high school now and then see the players out there practicing, those kids are far FAR bigger than we were back in the day.

I ran track in the off season today these kids have a weight room and spend the down time lifting, we didn't have a weight room.

Why the rules changes to make the game safer. yep, the athletes are too big too strong and too fast nowadays.

Actually we have out grown football, the game was never meant to be played by this kind of an atlete.

The likes of Jack Lambert didn’t realize they had to be bigger I guess.
No one is hitting any harder than that today.

 

[Dacron Dakar]

The likes of Jack Lambert didn’t realize they had to be bigger I guess.
No one is hitting any harder than that today.

My son played a much harder hitting, more dangerous brand of football than I did.

How can players weighing more, far faster, spend more time with the weights not hit harder than those smaller, slower and weaker?

Lambert played at 220, hmmmm?

This is DK Metcalf a WR today

Runs a 4.3 40, a 10.3 100m at that size.

 

[zeke mowatt]

I played collage level football in the early nineties. The hitting was absolutely real.
I’d have a hard time believing it’s gotten more dangerous.
I’d say just the opposite.

 

[Dacron Dakar]

I played collage level football in the early nineties. The hitting was absolutely real.
I’d have a hard time believing it’s gotten more dangerous.
I’d say just the opposite.

All about the size and speed difference, hell just compare track times in the 90's and now, look at the throws, these athletes today on a whole other level than they were back in the day.

My son had a weight routine his football coach had for him, so he worked out all off season, to get bigger and stronger, that is how it is today, I didn;t have that, did you?

I collect football cards, my oldest cards from 1958, on the backs we see height and weight, You see it right before your eyes, these cats just keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger. I am first and foremost a track guy who also likes football, let me tell ya the speed today totally different than back when, as is everything else in sports.

If you need to think things haven;t been changing with time go for it.

In 1972 the great USSR sprinter Valery Borzov won the Olympic 100m in 10.14, NFLer Tyreek Hill ran a 10.16 in high school.

 

[Dacron Dakar]

Johnny Unitas was 6-1 194 pounds, no way in hell that would work today vs these monsters, yet he played how long?

Fran Tarkenton 6-0 190 pounds, today Kyler Murray is tiny at 207 pounds.

The reason we see so many moble QB's today is because of the superior speed of the edge rushers, they have to move. Some QB under 200 pounds would get destroyed,

Drake Maye 6-4 225 and mobile, yep....perfect.

 

[zeke mowatt]

All about the size and speed difference, hell just compare track times in the 90's and now, look at the throws, these athletes today on a whole other level than they were back in the day.

My son had a weight routine his football coach had for him, so he worked out all off season, to get bigger and stronger, that is how it is today, I didn;t have that, did you?

I collect football cards, my oldest cards from 1958, on the backs we see height and weight, You see it right before your eyes, these cats just keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger. I am first and foremost a track guy who also likes football, let me tell ya the speed today totally different than back when, as is everything else in sports.

If you need to think things haven;t been changing with time go for it.

In 1972 the great USSR sprinter Valery Borzov won the Olympic 100m in 10.14, NFLer Tyreek Hill ran a 10.16 in high school.

Hell yes we had weight programs. Even in high school, If you didn’t lift you didn’t play. That was in the late eighties.
Ya I’ll concede some of these kids are bigger faster yada yada.
And if I stepped on the field and played like I was coached I’d be ejected and the new kids would be concussed and crying. His mother likely on the field screaming.
I’d go through most of them like shit through a goose.
The game was tougher and tough guys played it.
Hell there was just a massive blow up in my area over Coaches running these kids in the heat during two a day camps. The mothers wanted that shit shut down and guess what? The school caved. These kids aren’t even preparing to play IMO. They’ve got the nutrition and latest training methods but they don’t HIT or condition properly. They’re not in football shape.
In fact dude, I can’t even believe you’re making this argument. I 100% believe the percentage of today’s faster bigger kids who wouldn’t have made it past camp is pretty high.
Go watch some NFL games from the eighties and nineties. It’s a different game.

 

[Flagg the Wanderer]

It's 1985, William "Frig" Perry is an oddity at 300 pounds, he gets a ton of attention because he is just too big.

Back in the 60;s Gene "Big Daddy" Lipscomb stood out like a sore thumb at 6-6 285.

Today we see high school teams with kids bigger than that, every NFL team had a lot of 300 plus players.

Then there;s that speed difference, there were no 4.4 cornerbacks back in the day. So those defences were smaller, weaker and slower, simply a fact.

Key word......velocity. A 220 pounder with 4,5 jets coming from a distance is a weapon.

I drive by my old high school now and then see the players out there practicing, those kids are far FAR bigger than we were back in the day.

I ran track in the off season today these kids have a weight room and spend the down time lifting, we didn't have a weight room.

Why the rules changes to make the game safer. yep, the athletes are too big too strong and too fast nowadays.

Actually we have out grown football, the game was never meant to be played by this kind of an atlete.

No one disagrees with this. But the QBs weren't throwing to WRs like we have now, a player like Gronk was literally something from a fairy tale, and they didn't have 5 ogre ballerinos that combine for over 1600# blocking for them, either.

Also, Josh Allen, Ben Rothlisberger, and Lamar Jackson at QB didn't exist to dodge, outrun, take the punishment, or give it back the way they do now.

You act like it only cuts one way. It doesn't.

 

[Dacron Dakar]

Hell yes we had weight programs. Even in high school, If you didn’t lift you didn’t play. That was in the late eighties.
Ya I’ll concede some of these kids are bigger faster yada yada.
And if I stepped on the field and played like I was coached I’d be ejected and the new kids would be concussed and crying. His mother likely on the field screaming.
I’d go through most of them like shit through a goose.
The game was tougher and tough guys played it.
Hell there was just a massive blow up in my area over Coaches running these kids in the heat during two a day camps. The mothers wanted that shit shut down and guess what? The school caved. These kids aren’t even preparing to play IMO. They’ve got the nutrition and latest training methods but they don’t HIT or condition properly. They’re not in football shape.
In fact dude, I can’t even believe you’re making this argument. I 100% believe the percentage of today’s faster bigger kids who wouldn’t have made it past camp is pretty high.
Go watch some NFL games from the eighties and nineties. It’s a different game.

Yes it;s a totally different game that is my point, so.........???

So you really think players were tougher back in the day, ah....why?

So a guy who starred in hight school. the NCAA and makes an NFL roster isn't a tough guy?

How old do you think I am? Just curious.

 

[Dacron Dakar]

No one disagrees with this. But the QBs weren't throwing to WRs like we have now, a player like Gronk was literally something from a fairy tale, and they didn't have 5 ogre ballerinos that combine for over 1600# blocking for them, either.

Also, Josh Allen, Ben Rothlisberger, and Lamar Jackson at QB didn't exist to dodge, outrun, take the punishment, or give it back the way they do now.

You act like it only cuts one way. It doesn't.

So how about footbalers from the 20's and 30's vs cats from the 60's....?

 

[zeke mowatt]

Yes it;s a totally different game that is my point, so.........???

So you really think players were tougher back in the day, ah....why?

So a guy who starred in hight school. the NCAA and makes an NFL roster isn't a tough guy?

How old do you think I am? Just curious.

You aren’t making a point. Not a cogent or informed one anyway.

100% yes.

My high school coach from “back in the day” would make the player you’re describing cry and quit.

Can’t be bothered. Just don’t care. I don’t think you played much.

 

[Dacron Dakar]

You aren’t making a point. Not a cogent or informed one anyway.

100% yes.

My high school coach from “back in the day” would make the player you’re describing cry and quit.

Can’t be bothered. Just don’t care. I don’t think you played much.

What's cute is you really believe all that BS, ha~~~~

I played HS ball from 1964 to 1968, played naval base ball from 1969 to 1972, play city flag football from 75 to 88. Toss in a few alumni games,

As far as watching football that started in 1958 Giants vs Bears. Seen some football

You don't appear to get how much the game has progressed since your football coachs world, these cats today in a whole other galaxy but you;re too blind to see it. Bigger, faster stronger meaner, smarter, and I have seen that evolution can't believe you haven't.

I went to my sons home games, what they were doing out there was totally different than what we were doing, which is true with all football, hate to break to ya like this, sorry.

I'm 6-2 240 my son played at 6-4 280, yep....evolution.

When some of my sons football buddies would come over I felt like a midget.

 

[zeke mowatt]

What's cute is you really believe all that BS, ha~~~~

I played HS ball from 1964 to 1968, played naval base ball from 1969 to 1972, play city flag football from 75 to 88. Toss in a few alumni games,

As far as watching football that started in 1958 Giants vs Bears. Seen some football

You don't appear to get how much the game has progressed since your football coachs world, these cats today in a whole other galaxy but you;re too blind to see it. Bigger, faster stronger meaner, smarter, and I have seen that evolution can't believe you haven't.

I went to my sons home games, what they were doing out there was totally different than what we were doing, which is true with all football, hate to break to ya like this, sorry.

I'm 6-2 240 my son played at 6-4 280, yep....evolution.

Ya I don’t believe you.
You’re enamored with whatever your son did. Understandable and no harm in that of course.
I think you’re forgetting just how tough your era was and you didn’t participate in what your son’s era really was you just observed through a father’s eyes.
I was a fighting fit 210 1AA LB. Played every 3-4 LB position at one time or another. I coached off and on into the early 2000s. Even then those kids weren’t the same.
I’m 53 and we can settle this dispute right now with an Oklahoma drill. Today’s players don’t even know WTF that is and their mothers would never hear of it.
I’ll bet the farm on myself against whomever younger or otherwise. Because I hit like a wrecking ball and was coached on exactly how to deliver it. This generation was not.