We got JuJu!

[DropKickFlutie]

his 2022 guaranteed salary coming in at $2.49 million, per Spotrac.

Exactly. Some trying to pump up JuJu here, but it's hard to argue with the fact that no teams wanted him in 2022 and he signed with the Chiefs for a bottom dollar contract. Because his prior two years he had put up pedestrian 8 yards-per-catch seasons which as a WR means he's either really slow or really out of shape.

End of the day this was necessary to prevent mutiny over Jakobi leaving over a low-dollar contract.
I don't expect JuJu to be better than Bourne in total yards in 2023. I think the 2 outside WRs will be Bourne and Thornton, and JuJu will play some slot.

 

[Mazz22]

Exactly. Some trying to pump up JuJu here, but it's hard to argue with the fact that no teams wanted him in 2022 and he signed with the Chiefs for a bottom dollar contract. Because his prior two years he had put up pedestrian 8 yards-per-catch seasons which as a WR means he's either really slow or really out of shape.

End of the day this was necessary to prevent mutiny over Jakobi leaving over a low-dollar contract.
I don't expect JuJu to be better than Bourne in total yards in 2023. I think the 2 outside WRs will be Bourne and Thornton, and JuJu will play some slot.

Let's hope Bill makes some more additions to the wide receiver group.

 

[spacecrime]

Absolutely. Homers. Up until 12 hours ago were making up stuff about how maybe Meyers didn’t want to be here or chose elsewhere (see his own tweet).

Couiple things wrong with this. What I said was that given Jakobi's path it was possible that he preferred to go on his own. Possible. And it was.

And what is with the making stuff up comment? What is it about anyone having an opinion that differs from yours that so spins you up that you cannot simply speak without twisting everything to make everyone appear lesser that you? No one is fooled you know.

Have you even considered that when you need to lie, misrepresent, and/or drop into personal insults to make a point, that you might not have valid points?

 

[chevss454]

8 yards per catch is terrible. He was force fed the ball and didn't do anything with it. How many WRs who averaged 8 yards per reception for a year (JuJu did this 2 different seasons of only 8 yards per catch), were great wide receivers?

Juju had 8 yds one time only. 2020. Did you check out why that might have been?
Career-wise for the 2 are similar for avg/catch with Juju slightly more.
Now look at 1st downs
Juju 231 in 79 games = 2.9/game
JM 134 in 60 games = 2.2/game

Now you do career TDs for us.

JuJu Smith-Schuster, Kansas City Chiefs, WR - Career Stats - NFL

Get the latest career stats for JuJu Smith-Schuster of the Kansas City Chiefs on CBS Sports

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Jakobi Meyers, New England Patriots, WR - Career Stats - NFL

Get the latest career stats for Jakobi Meyers of the New England Patriots on CBS Sports

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[DropKickFlutie]

Juju had 8 yds one time only. 2020. Did you check out why that might have been?
Career-wise for the 2 are similar for avg/catch with Juju slightly more.
Now look at 1st downs
Juju 231 in 79 games = 2.9/game
JM 134 in 60 games = 2.2/game

Now you do career TDs for us.

JuJu Smith-Schuster, Kansas City Chiefs, WR - Career Stats - NFL

Get the latest career stats for JuJu Smith-Schuster of the Kansas City Chiefs on CBS Sports

www.cbssports.com

Jakobi Meyers, New England Patriots, WR - Career Stats - NFL

Get the latest career stats for Jakobi Meyers of the New England Patriots on CBS Sports

www.cbssports.com

Again this is how you're thrown off not taking context into account.

Jakobi didn't even get major snaps until Halloween of Cam Newton's season.
So you're counting almost 20 games where he sat mostly on the bench trying to get noticed.
How about looking at Jakobi when he actually started from mid-season with Cam onwards. Starting from Halloween with Newton thereafter, Jakobi was on a thousand yard receiver pace every single season if he had gotten enough starts and targets.

I hope the Pats didn't think like you just did, this is how they ended up way off on not valuing Meyers as a player. You don't add in the first 2 years a guy sat on the bench and then take his per-game metrics as gospel, that makes zero sense

Also I'll re-post it since you have a problem with reality especially recent data:
Jakobi 8 TDs the last 2 years
JuJu only 3 TDs the last 2 years (including playing with Mahomes)
.

 

[Patriots-Lifer]

8 yards per catch is terrible. He was force fed the ball and didn't do anything with it. How many WRs who averaged 8 yards per reception for a year (JuJu did this 2 different seasons of only 8 yards per catch), were great wide receivers?

Really, take another look, one of those seasons 2021 he played only 5 games Oct 10, 2021 He injured his shoulder and missed 12 games. That same season he suffered a rib injury in Week 3. It was the only season that he misses more than 4 games and he only did that many one time.

 

[Patriots-Lifer]

Exactly. Some trying to pump up JuJu here, but it's hard to argue with the fact that no teams wanted him in 2022 and he signed with the Chiefs for a bottom dollar contract. Because his prior two years he had put up pedestrian 8 yards-per-catch seasons which as a WR means he's either really slow or really out of shape.

End of the day this was necessary to prevent mutiny over Jakobi leaving over a low-dollar contract.
I don't expect JuJu to be better than Bourne in total yards in 2023. I think the 2 outside WRs will be Bourne and Thornton, and JuJu will play some slot.

You really are just trying to spin this into the most negative thing you can . That does seem to be what you do these days.

 

[chevss454]

Again this is how you're thrown off not taking context into account.

Jakobi didn't even get major snaps until Halloween of Cam Newton's season.
So you're counting almost 20 games where he sat mostly on the bench trying to get noticed.
How about looking at Jakobi when he actually started from mid-season with Cam onwards. Starting from Halloween with Newton thereafter, Jakobi was on a thousand yard receiver pace every single season if he had gotten enough starts and targets.

I hope the Pats didn't think like you just did, this is how they ended up way off on not valuing Meyers as a player. You don't add in the first 2 years a guy sat on the bench and then take his per-game metrics as gospel, that makes zero sense

Also I'll re-post it since you have a problem with reality especially recent data:
Jakobi 8 TDs the last 2 years
JuJu only 3 TDs the last 2 years (including playing with Mahomes)
.ec

I don't have a problem with it at all. But that's all you have. You have a problem admitting Juju has far more TDs overall. Instead you want to point out the last 2 years.
I've already shown you 2 yrs ago Juju played 5 games. Last year he was new on the team and low man on the totem pole to Mahomes' fav receivers.
Why are you denying the factual stats?

 

[DropKickFlutie]

I don't have a problem with it at all. But that's all you have. You have a problem admitting Juju has far more TDs overall. Instead you want to point out the last 2 years.
I've already shown you 2 yrs ago Juju played 5 games. Last year he was new on the team and low man on the totem pole to Mahomes' fav receivers.
Why are you denying the factual stats?

I'm not saying Juju is a bad player. But he's not better than Jakobi is. Just has a better name / pedigree.
And if the 2 are basically the same guy but 1 was a home grown one with more durability + leadership, and less risk if he can fit in or know the playbook, then this was at best a push with more downside risk that it possibly was not an equal exchange of players.
I will be happy to be proven wrong if JuJu went from being the #3 or #4 option with Mahomes, to somehow thriving in NE as the #1 or #2 option. I wouldn't bank on it.

 

[Grogan]

Last 2 healthy seasons, 75% Catch Rate and 77% Catch rate, both higher than Meyers ever had.

Smith-Schuster - 4.51 40
Jakobi Meyers - 4.67 40

Literally what are are you even talking about?

He's a slight upgrade over Meyers for the same money. That's all I'm saying, but to sit here and pretend he's worse in the face of objective facts...literally what?

This is pretty much spot on. It's at least a push, and could end up being an upgrade. JuJu is the more versatile wr, and should give them an edge when mixing in positional groupings.

 

[3 Point Stan]

If the Pats do not make another move at WR, what I am hoping is not necessarily hat Juju has a 90+ catch, 1,300 yard season, so much as that he and Bourne put together a Patton and Givens (neither of them WR1's) had in 2004. If that happens, we'll all be happy.

 

[PatsFan09]

I'm not saying Juju is a bad player. But he's not better than Jakobi is. Just has a better name / pedigree.
And if the 2 are basically the same guy but 1 was a home grown one with more durability + leadership, and less risk if he can fit in or know the playbook, then this was at best a push with more downside risk that it possibly was not an equal exchange of players.
I will be happy to be proven wrong if JuJu went from being the #3 or #4 option with Mahomes, to somehow thriving in NE as the #1 or #2 option. I wouldn't bank on it.

This is a laughable take. Juju has had a FAR more productive career.

 

[deec77]

I’m going with an open mind .....

~Dee~

 

[Muse]

I’m going with an open mind .....

~Dee~

This. He's with the team for now. We will see.

 

[John Locke]

Having all the issues the Pat's have had drafting receivers over the years and all the success Pittsburg has had drafting them I've always been interested in their receivers.

I, for one am pleased with this signing.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

This is a laughable take. Juju has had a FAR more productive career.

Such a great career that he signed with the Chiefs for 1-year 3.7M plus incentives. Yeah.

How Much Re-Signing JuJu Smith-Schuster Could Cost The Kansas City Chiefs

JuJu Smith-Schuster has said he would like to remain with the Chiefs after his one-year deal expires. On pace for 76 catches and 1,009 yards, he is due for a hefty raise.

www.forbes.com

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Having all the issues the Pat's have had drafting receivers over the years and all the success Pittsburg has had drafting them I've always been interested in their receivers.

I, for one am pleased with this signing.

They do know receivers. Was it a terrible sign that they then drafted 2 more WRs after JuJu, yes. They didn’t see enough to make him the guy. Definitely better than any Patriot draft pick though. Patriots can only develop UDFA or 7th rounders

 

[sg14]

Per Mike Girardi, JSS has a knee issue and has been having his play count monitored.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Per Mike Girardi, JSS has a knee issue and has been having his play count monitored.

Someone here was spot on about that earlier this week I believe. Would explain a lot of things. It’s never a good sign when a WR goes a full season of games and only averaged 8 yards per reception like JuJu did…,,

 

[PatsFan09]

Such a great career that he signed with the Chiefs for 1-year 3.7M plus incentives. Yeah.

How Much Re-Signing JuJu Smith-Schuster Could Cost The Kansas City Chiefs

JuJu Smith-Schuster has said he would like to remain with the Chiefs after his one-year deal expires. On pace for 76 catches and 1,009 yards, he is due for a hefty raise.

www.forbes.com

Great response. Facts still aren’t on your aside. Any of them.