Week 11, 2020, 1PM at Texans

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-Cam goes way back with both Jakobi Meyers and Deshaun Watson through Cam's football camp.
Watson and Cam became friends while Watson was still in HS. Cam was Watson's mentor.
-OT Tunsil is the Texans' best O lineman. 2nd highest paid O lineman in the NFL. The Pats get a break with him out of the game.

 
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I get the disappointment in Harry, I feel it too, but Derek Rivers played even less than him and got 3 1/2 years (assuming he's fully gone) to produce and I could cite other higher picks that got all kinds of opportunity to do something. More than patient in some cases.

I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet. I think it's possible that he's had multiple injuries this year, including two to his noggin, that have held him back.

I remember him looking like a tackle-breaking machine, at times, when he got his chance to play last season. He hasn't been that guy this season, clearly. but he's had a couple of productive games earlier and looked like he was maybe coming around.

I'll disagree that this is a sneaky move by BB to avoid embarrassing questions, assuming that is what you mean. I can see him maybe protecting a young player in some way, but not himself.

Protecting Harry's ego, self-confidence and psyche is what I meant. Watching Meyers bust out the way he has the last few games has to be getting Harry's confidence down.
An injury? Oh. That explains it. Easy Button. At least for now.

I'm not throwing in the towel for Harry either. I still think Harry could become an effective Big Slot receiver in the mold of Anquan Boldin or Larry Fitzgerald.
My towel for Harry playing outside was thrown long ago. He simply can't do it.
 
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Bonus points if Moncrief or Ford make an impact this soon after joining up. That would impress me.
 
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LB Terez Hall had previously been elevated from the PS to the 53 to play.

He was signed to the 53 yesterday. He's got to be a happy guy today.

I'm all set with this and don't want to see Bentley again.
 

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Harry has joined the injury list with a shoulder. To me, that's a convenient and easy way out for him not to play, or play to be a blocker, and for neither BB nor Harry to have to answer questions about it. Yeah, tin foil, I know, but it's the least embarrassing way to handle it.
I agree. Watching Meyers perform so well is probably not helping his confidence. It's hard to believe that this pick was worse by Bill then Chad Jackson.
 
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I agree. Watching Meyers perform so well is probably not helping his confidence. It's hard to believe that this pick was worse by Bill then Chad Jackson.

I wouldn't go that far. Due to circumstances, Harry hasn't been able to be used at his best position. He's seen some inside positioning this year finally.
 

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I wouldn't go that far. Due to circumstances, Harry hasn't been able to be used at his best position. He's seen some inside positioning this year finally.
I would also add that having Cam is not doing him any favors. He was decent at times last year with Brady throwing him that back shoulder TD ball vs Dallas and then he had some nice YAC on throws as well. I think for this year with the way our offense is shaking out to be run specific and Cam's limitations as a passer, Harry does need more time and hopefully a better QB down the road.

Hannible had a good write up of the recent drafts today that is worth a read. The last few have been awful but this year at least seems to have some bright spots.

1. The Patriots’ issues drafting in recent years has been a major topic of late, and Saturday was a prime example as to why. The team released Derek Rivers, a third-round pick in 2017, and then Hjalte Froholdt, a fourth-round selection last year. Rivers was the Patriots’ first selection in that draft and he has just 2.5 sacks in 14 career games. Even taking he was a third-round pick, as well as his injury history, into account he didn’t give the Patriots much at all. And then when it comes to Froholdt, he was a late-round pick, but flat out waiving him less than two years after drafting him is an indication he doesn’t have much of a chance of working out for any team. The writing was on the wall when he barely saw any playing time earlier in the year when the offensive line was dealing with a number of injuries. Looking at the drafting as a whole since 2017, the only players to truly feel confident in are Kyle Dugger, Michael Onwenu, Jake Bailey and Isaiah Wynn. Out of 31 players, that isn’t great, although it is worth noting the 2020 rookie class deserves more time to make a determination on given COVID-19 and how that impacted the offseason. But in general, the 2017 draft was essentially a waste with only Deatrich Wise still on the roster, 2018 not getting much at all with only Wynn, Sony Michel, Ja’Whaun Bentley and Ryan Izzo still on the roster, and then last year seeing Joejuan Williams, Yodny Cajuste, Jarrett Stidham and Froholdt being selected in the first four rounds and being non-factors. Which draft picks should Bill Belichick and Co. feel good about in the last four years? Those can be counted on one hand, and that isn’t good at all.
 

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LB Terez Hall had previously been elevated from the PS to the 53 to play.

He was signed to the 53 yesterday. He's got to be a happy guy today.

I'm all set with this and don't want to see Bentley again.

He's a noticeable improvement from Bentley. At least he doesn't shoot the wrong gap and take himself out of half the plays.
 

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I still think he was IRrd last year because they knew he sucked.
Just cut him and move on.

I would also add that having Cam is not doing him any favors. He was decent at times last year with Brady throwing him that back shoulder TD ball vs Dallas and then he had some nice YAC on throws as well. I think for this year with the way our offense is shaking out to be run specific and Cam's limitations as a passer, Harry does need more time and hopefully a better QB down the road.

Hannible had a good write up of the recent drafts today that is worth a read. The last few have been awful but this year at least seems to have some bright spots.

1. The Patriots’ issues drafting in recent years has been a major topic of late, and Saturday was a prime example as to why. The team released Derek Rivers, a third-round pick in 2017, and then Hjalte Froholdt, a fourth-round selection last year. Rivers was the Patriots’ first selection in that draft and he has just 2.5 sacks in 14 career games. Even taking he was a third-round pick, as well as his injury history, into account he didn’t give the Patriots much at all. And then when it comes to Froholdt, he was a late-round pick, but flat out waiving him less than two years after drafting him is an indication he doesn’t have much of a chance of working out for any team. The writing was on the wall when he barely saw any playing time earlier in the year when the offensive line was dealing with a number of injuries. Looking at the drafting as a whole since 2017, the only players to truly feel confident in are Kyle Dugger, Michael Onwenu, Jake Bailey and Isaiah Wynn. Out of 31 players, that isn’t great, although it is worth noting the 2020 rookie class deserves more time to make a determination on given COVID-19 and how that impacted the offseason. But in general, the 2017 draft was essentially a waste with only Deatrich Wise still on the roster, 2018 not getting much at all with only Wynn, Sony Michel, Ja’Whaun Bentley and Ryan Izzo still on the roster, and then last year seeing Joejuan Williams, Yodny Cajuste, Jarrett Stidham and Froholdt being selected in the first four rounds and being non-factors. Which draft picks should Bill Belichick and Co. feel good about in the last four years? Those can be counted on one hand, and that isn’t good at all.

I thought Harry was off to a really encouraging start with Newton. In the first two this year, back before Covid for Cam and the OL falling completely apart, N'Keal was targeted 18 times and caught 13 of them for 111 yards. No TDs but there were a number of key 1st down catches among them. That would project out to 104 catches. I think that Harry got his melon gonged on a H2H by some asshole in, I believe, the 3rd game (Raiders) and he attempted to shake it off but he didn't look right. I have no proof of that, but the hit was absolutely brutal and appeared much worse than the second one where he got diagnosed with a concussion and missed a few games. I believe those two hits were linked and since then we've been trying to give him some time to heal and, hence, left him out of the passing game lest he end up scrambled to the point his career is in jeopardy (if it is not already).

The Froholdt move came as a shock to me. I thought he looked strong, athletic and really promising and I predict he'll be an effective, starting guard for somebody before long. I've seen lots worse guys stick on this team for years, so I don't get this move at all, particularly since we'll need to replace Thuney next year. I expected we'd plug The Danish Destroyer in and leave everybody where they were, but apparently we've decided to kick Onwenu inside and dust off Cannon next year at RT. Or something. The only thing that makes sense to me is if he's got some sort of off-field issues, like he was lazy or addicted to guzzling mushroom tea before games like a Viking beserker.
 

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He's a noticeable improvement from Bentley. At least he doesn't shoot the wrong gap and take himself out of half the plays.

I noticed Hall out of position on several plays last week, but he is a battler and a little quicker than Bentley. He's also a much better tackler. While an improvement, I'm not thinking he is any sort of long-term answer. I hope we've seen the last of Bentley. He is the linebacker equivalent of Jordan Richards -- too slow and athletically limited to play.
 
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-Cam goes way back with both Jakobi Meyers and Deshaun Watson through Cam's football camp.
Watson and Cam became friends while Watson was still in HS. Cam was Watson's mentor.
-OT Tunsil is the Texans' best O lineman. 2nd highest paid O lineman in the NFL. The Pats get a break with him out of the game.


Ian Rapaport is saying Tunsil may play after all. He had a non-COVID flu bug this past week.
I'm also reading WR Kenny Stills is clear to play.
 
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Warming up with Moses Cabrera: Stephon Gilmore, NKeal Harry, Rex Burkhead, Jonathan Jones, Gunner, Jakobi Meyers, Joejuan Williams, Jakob Johnson, Jake Bailey, Kyle Dugger, James White, Damien Harris, Ryan Izzo, Jason & Devin McCourty, Matthew Slater, Jarrett Staidham, Winovich.

Looks like Harris is RB1.
And Harry is back.
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It feels as if we hadn't had a 1PM game in a while. So happy to have one. Funny when I was younger I'd hate 1PM games because I'd be at mass with my parents. I would rather have afternoon games or night games. I loved night games. Now that I'm older I like night games the least and absolutely love 1PM games.
 
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