Week 13, Giants At Gillette, MNF

Share this page

rivshark86 said:
Time will tell with Campbell.
I’m looking forward to revisiting this in late February. I think we are going to find that the drop off between Lowe and Campbell is negligible and a lot of the improvements on the line came from solidifying the right side and that allowed help to be schemed up for the left. If there’s a situation like last year where the right side falls apart and you got Mike O playing out of position, you’re going to see Campbell struggle.
Look y’all tore me a new one for saying similar things about Mac jones, Harry, and Strange. For years.
I understand the love for Campbell. His attitude and personality are exactly what you want.
But he’s not a “blue chip” LT. And it’s a real shame he was the best available in a year the Pats had 4 overall.
Click to expand...
So you're setting this up as: you're right unless Josh and Co. fail to make the appropriate adjustments necessary? Do you think you'd be able to tell the difference in how they're running the offense to account for the difference in quality at LT? How would you know how they're limiting their playbook and adjusting their play calling to adjust for the personnel?

Also, elsewhere you've stated that because Campbell isn't that good and was a wasted pick, OT is a top priority in the off-season. But if it doesn't matter if the OT isn't good, why would it be a priority? Shouldn't we just roll with Campbell? Or for that matter, since the world seems to think Campbell is good, shouldn't we trade him for picks and roll with Lowe?

And any answer to the question about outstanding physical attributes? Where is that coming from?
 
rivshark86 said:
Time will tell with Campbell.
I’m looking forward to revisiting this in late February. I think we are going to find that the drop off between Lowe and Campbell is negligible and a lot of the improvements on the line came from solidifying the right side and that allowed help to be schemed up for the left. If there’s a situation like last year where the right side falls apart and you got Mike O playing out of position, you’re going to see Campbell struggle.
Look y’all tore me a new one for saying similar things about Mac jones, Harry, and Strange. For years.
I understand the love for Campbell. His attitude and personality are exactly what you want.
But he’s not a “blue chip” LT. And it’s a real shame he was the best available in a year the Pats had 4 overall.
Click to expand...
So just ignore all of the data. Jesus.
No, you said nothing about those guys, or if you did, it was after the fact.
None of us were thrilled with Harry or Strange. And I guarantee I can find posts of yours that are positive about Mac.
 
PatsFan09 said:
No, you said nothing about those guys, or if you did, it was after the fact.
None of us were thrilled with Harry or Strange. And I guarantee I can find posts of yours that are positive about Mac.
Click to expand...
No, he did.
 
rivshark86 said:
Time will tell with Campbell.
Click to expand...
Do you ever watch games? You keep telling us that Campbell had to be protected all the time, and almost all time I see him riding a DE around all by himself. I understand that you didn't like short arms, but he has been outstanding. You keep telling us he's #14-15 LT but as a rookie he is ranked at or near the top. All you have to do is watch the games or look at some stats or rankings. Guys like Chev posts them all the time. Do you have him on ignore or something?
 
Flagg the Wanderer said:
So you're setting this up as: you're right unless Josh and Co. fail to make the appropriate adjustments necessary? Do you think you'd be able to tell the difference in how they're running the offense to account for the difference in quality at LT? How would you know how they're limiting their playbook and adjusting their play calling to adjust for the personnel?

Also, elsewhere you've stated that because Campbell isn't that good and was a wasted pick, OT is a top priority in the off-season. But if it doesn't matter if the OT isn't good, why would it be a priority? Shouldn't we just roll with Campbell? Or for that matter, since the world seems to think Campbell is good, shouldn't we trade him for picks and roll with Lowe?

And any answer to the question about outstanding physical attributes? Where is that coming from?
Click to expand...
Flagg I think you’re engaging honestly and I appreciate that. And we agree on things probably a lot more than you think we do.
I’ve never stated Campbell isn’t good. Never. I’ve stated that his ceiling is a 15 to 22ish rated LT in the league, and that’s a waste of a 4th overall pick.
I’ve said many times…… Campbell is going to be in this league for 8 to 10 years. He’s not a scrub.
I’m not basing my opinion on Josh being able to make adjustments to Lowe.
I’m saying he was making them for Campbell!!!! Lowe will give them 80 to 90 percent of Campbell. They won’t have to change anything unless injuries hit the right side of the line. They will continue to give the LT help and the offense will not miss a beat and may improve in the run game.
Thats what I’m saying.
Look I’ve got a different opinion than many here. I voice it strongly but I’m not rude, I’m a Pats fan, and I love this forum.
What I’m saying is this. If the right side stays healthy. I’m not expecting a big drop off between Lowe and Campbell. I think they will scheme things in a very similar way.
And if the number 4 pick is giving you the roughly the performance as Lowe……….. well you can fill in the rest of that sentence.
If Campbell had been a 3rd rounder I’d love him. He’s got the attitude you want, and he’s going to be in the league for most of the rest decade.
 
rivshark86 said:
Look y’all tore me a new one for saying similar things about Mac jones, Harry, and Strange.
Click to expand...
Bullshit. Very few here liked either the Harry or Strange picks. And you LOVED the Mac Jones pick.

rivshark86 said:
And it’s a real shame he was the best available in a year the Pats had 4 overall.
Click to expand...
There must have been a dozen times you called him a wasted pick. Him and Henderson both. If you want to talk shit fine. Lots of us have strong opinions about draft picks and free agents. I didn't like the Moss trade and thought Diggs was a mistake. Others did as well, but once we were wrong, we stopped trying to convince people that we were right in the face of evidence.

Please just stop.
 
spacecrime said:
Bullshit. Very few here liked either the Harry or Strange picks. And you LOVED the Mac Jones pick.


There must have been a dozen times you called him a wasted pick. Him and Henderson both. If you want to talk shit fine. Lots of us have strong opinions about draft picks and free agents. I didn't like the Moss trade and thought Diggs was a mistake. Others did as well, but once we were wrong, we stopped trying to convince people that we were right in the face of evidence.

Please just stop.
Click to expand...
Hey man we have both posted here a long time.
You really think I LOVED the Mac jones pick?
Holy cow…… I’m gonna have to find the time to do a dive into the archives.
But yeah. If the Pats had been rolling out Lowe all year at LT they would have exactly the same record. So yeah….. I’d call that a wasted pick.
Henderson…… it’s a mistake burning what’s almost a first rounder on a committee RB, but at least he’s going to make some splash plays once every 3 games. He better than most of the last decade of Pats second rounders.
 
Last edited:
rivshark86 said:
Hey man we have both posted here a long time.
You really think I LOVED the Mac jones pick?
Holy cow…… I’m gonna have to find the time to do a dive into the archives.
Click to expand...

PF09 posted a screenshot of one of your Mac Jones posts in post #264 in this thread.

Here's a link to your actual post: A High Level Study Of Mac Jones' Game

I would say using the word "ecstatic" indicates that you loved the Mac Jones pick.
 
TipRoast said:
PF09 posted a screenshot of one of your Mac Jones posts in post #264 in this thread.

Here's a link to your actual post: A High Level Study Of Mac Jones' Game

I would say using the word "ecstatic" indicates that you loved the Mac Jones pick.
Click to expand...
Congrats you found a post when I was at most hopeful about Mac. And truly congrats, cause there are not many.
And even then I’m saying he needs blue chip skill players. Time to grow. Pump the brakes on this kid.
I am a Pats fan, and I do root for pats players. Please, find the other 200 posts on Mac jones.
 
rivshark86 said:
Congrats you found a post when I was at most hopeful about Mac. And truly congrats, cause there are not many.
And even then I’m saying he needs blue chip skill players. Time to grow. Pump the brakes on this kid.
I am a Pats fan, and I do root for pats players. Please, find the other 200 posts on Mac jones.
Click to expand...

Hopeful? You used the word "ecstatic" - you loved the pick.

Here's a thought: you just own it, and move on.
 
rivshark86 said:
Congrats you found a post when I was at most hopeful about Mac. And truly congrats, cause there are not many.
And even then I’m saying he needs blue chip skill players. Time to grow. Pump the brakes on this kid.
I am a Pats fan, and I do root for pats players. Please, find the other 200 posts on Mac jones.
Click to expand...

You’re being disingenuous.
 
rivshark86 said:
Flagg I think you’re engaging honestly and I appreciate that. And we agree on things probably a lot more than you think we do.
I’ve never stated Campbell isn’t good. Never. I’ve stated that his ceiling is a 15 to 22ish rated LT in the league, and that’s a waste of a 4th overall pick.
I’ve said many times…… Campbell is going to be in this league for 8 to 10 years. He’s not a scrub.
I’m not basing my opinion on Josh being able to make adjustments to Lowe.
I’m saying he was making them for Campbell!!!! Lowe will give them 80 to 90 percent of Campbell. They won’t have to change anything unless injuries hit the right side of the line. They will continue to give the LT help and the offense will not miss a beat and may improve in the run game.
Thats what I’m saying.
Look I’ve got a different opinion than many here. I voice it strongly but I’m not rude, I’m a Pats fan, and I love this forum.
What I’m saying is this. If the right side stays healthy. I’m not expecting a big drop off between Lowe and Campbell. I think they will scheme things in a very similar way.
And if the number 4 pick is giving you the roughly the performance as Lowe……….. well you can fill in the rest of that sentence.
If Campbell had been a 3rd rounder I’d love him. He’s got the attitude you want, and he’s going to be in the league for most of the rest decade.
Click to expand...
A different opinion that’s always negative and not based on logic.
And as I pointed out, you were high on Mac Jones. I posted your initial post about him; you were very excited that we drafted him. So, you were clearly mistaken about being anti-Mac.
 
Riv was out on Mac much earlier than most here.

But he's not right about Campbell vs Lowe. There were massive changes to the offense this past week, centered around babysitting the left tackle position.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top