Week 5, 2025, At Buffalo

I wish it wasn’t the 8:30 game. I’m a single dad to a 3 year old and wake up at 4:30 every day.
Does the NFL realize people work?
I was really looking forward to this one.

I'm not a fan of primetime games—I much prefer noon games.

That said, most of my adult life I spent watching the Pats on primetime, so in a way it's nice to have a night game to look forward to for a change.

I, do, however, have a big dilemma. It's my best friend's birthday party, and I was planning on making a quick appearance after the game. But the more I think of it the less likely it's going to happen.

Guilt is already setting in, but I really want to watch this game.
 
Prime Time games on the road are not a problem for me. I work from home, so rolling out of bed and walking 30 ft to my office is pretty easy.
The home night games are tough. For an 8:30 start, I'll be luck y to be home by 1AM and sleeping by 2. In the past few years, I've sold the home games, but this year I'm going to both of them and will consider being "sick" the next morning.
 
I'm not a fan of primetime games—I much prefer noon games.

That said, most of my adult life I spent watching the Pats on primetime, so in a way it's nice to have a night game to look forward to for a change.

I, do, however, have a big dilemma. It's my best friend's birthday party, and I was planning on making a quick appearance after the game. But the more I think of it the less likely it's going to happen.

Guilt is already setting in, but I really want to watch this game.

It could be over pretty quickly but hopefully it's not.
 
It could be over pretty quickly but hopefully it's not.
I think we can compete well in this game. The Bills have not been playing well and my hope is we build off of Sunday and roll into Buffalo confident. I really hope our STs can make another couple of big plays to swing momentum our way.
 
I'm not a fan of primetime games—I much prefer noon games.

That said, most of my adult life I spent watching the Pats on primetime, so in a way it's nice to have a night game to look forward to for a change.

I, do, however, have a big dilemma. It's my best friend's birthday party, and I was planning on making a quick appearance after the game. But the more I think of it the less likely it's going to happen.

Guilt is already setting in, but I really want to watch this game.
Pro tip: You shouldn't be friends with people inconsiderate enough to schedule birthday parties that conflict with Patriots games. :coffee:
 
Pro tip: You shouldn't be friends with people inconsiderate enough to schedule birthday parties that conflict with Patriots games. :coffee:
One of my best friends always has her Christmas party on a Sunday near the beginning of December and I always pray for the patriots bye week to be then. Lately I've just been telling her when the patriots by week is if it is in December and saying," it would be nice if your Christmas party were that day" kind of joking around but kind of serious. This year I'm really happy because it is the first Sunday in December which is a common day for her to do the party . She starts it at 2 o'clock so I wouldn't be able to see a 1 o'clock game or a 4 o'clock game.
 
I'll be honest here, and this kind of harkens back to how the karma threads initially started, but that is really not my intention. I don't expect the Patriots to win whatsoever. They aren't ready yet. I know some people hate this way of thinking, but for me, this can be a moral victory game. They will likely lose, but it is how they lose that is of most interest to me. Do they fight? Do they remain competitive for a time? Do they hang onto the ball? Kind of like that Rams game in 2001 during the regular season. The Patriots lost, but we came out of that game knowing that they could fight and be competitive and hang with the best. That game did not feel like a loss, on the contrary, I remember feeling optimism about how good the team was becoming.
I'm curious as to why everyone is so defeatist when it comes to the Bills.

It's not like they beat the Patriots by 30 every time they play them. The only time in recent memory the Patriots were actually blown out was the playoff game, that was 2021. Last year a terrible, terrible team (both personnel and coaching) went up there and damn near beat them. 2 years ago, frickin Mac Jones had a game winning drive against them.

The Bills have played teams with a combined record of 2-14. They've played the 18th (Saints), 23rd, 26th and 30th ranked defenses. The only team who they blew out was the Jets, who are currently running a high school offense, and I saw them cover nobody on a Sprint Right Option on Monday.

I don't think the Bills are that good. They're just not. I don't think the Patriots are that good either, but it's not like there's some significant gulf between them. People are talking up the Bills like they're the 07 Patriots.
 
I'm curious as to why everyone is so defeatist when it comes to the Bills.

It's not like they beat the Patriots by 30 every time they play them. The only time in recent memory the Patriots were actually blown out was the playoff game, that was 2021. Last year a terrible, terrible team (both personnel and coaching) went up there and damn near beat them. 2 years ago, frickin Mac Jones had a game winning drive against them.

The Bills have played teams with a combined record of 2-14. They've played the 18th (Saints), 23rd, 26th and 30th ranked defenses. The only team who they blew out was the Jets, who are currently running a high school offense, and I saw them cover nobody on a Sprint Right Option on Monday.

I don't think the Bills are that good. They're just not. I don't think the Patriots are that good either, but it's not like there's some significant gulf between them. People are talking up the Bills like they're the 07 Patriots.
So, you're saying there's a chance?
 
Back when the Patriot were the envy of every team in the NFL and were consistently winning AFC championships and Superbowls, one thing stood out that drove people on this forum crazy. BB and company always seemed to treat the first 4 games of the season like extended training camp. The play calling on offense and defense was mostly very basic and the team, despite the talent, often started with a couple of losses during this stretch. It happened year after year. Theory was that the coaching staff was still learning what players were capable of so that they could maximize their usage and put them in the best position to excel for the remainder of season. Well our new head coach and OC were part of those years, which makes me wonder if they are also following that same approach. We are 2-2 now. Maybe it's time to open things up even more and start one of those stellar winning streaks we grew so accustomed to seeing during the BB era. I certainly hope so and am looking for a shocker upset of the bills this week. LFG!
 
Back when the Patriot were the envy of every team in the NFL and were consistently winning AFC championships and Superbowls, one thing stood out that drove people on this forum crazy. BB and company always seemed to treat the first 4 games of the season like extended training camp. The play calling on offense and defense was mostly very basic and the team, despite the talent, often started with a couple of losses during this stretch. It happened year after year. Theory was that the coaching staff was still learning what players were capable of so that they could maximize their usage and put them in the best position to excel for the remainder of season. Well our new head coach and OC were part of those years, which makes me wonder if they are also following that same approach. We are 2-2 now. Maybe it's time to open things up even more and start one of those stellar winning streaks we grew so accustomed to seeing during the BB era. I certainly hope so and am looking for a shocker upset of the bills this week. LFG!

Well remembered. Bill always said it was not until Halloween that he felt they were coming together and the identity they had, and then by Thanksgiving, he would know for sure. It seems logical, as the lack of hard training they do now in camp means the first couple of months, teams are finding their feet. Makes a mockery, really, of the modern TC with the rules on pads and contact, etc.
 
I'm curious as to why everyone is so defeatist when it comes to the Bills.

It's not like they beat the Patriots by 30 every time they play them. The only time in recent memory the Patriots were actually blown out was the playoff game, that was 2021. Last year a terrible, terrible team (both personnel and coaching) went up there and damn near beat them. 2 years ago, frickin Mac Jones had a game winning drive against them.

The Bills have played teams with a combined record of 2-14. They've played the 18th (Saints), 23rd, 26th and 30th ranked defenses. The only team who they blew out was the Jets, who are currently running a high school offense, and I saw them cover nobody on a Sprint Right Option on Monday.

I don't think the Bills are that good. They're just not. I don't think the Patriots are that good either, but it's not like there's some significant gulf between them. People are talking up the Bills like they're the 07 Patriots.

Great points. The stats I showed earlier say these 2 match up quite well with the Bills' pass D pulling them ahead slightly.



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By Andrew Callahan | acallahan@bostonherald.com
PUBLISHED: October 3, 2025 at 5:00 AM EDT

Welcome to the Friday Five!

Each week during the NFL regular season, I will drop five Patriots-related thoughts on Friday to recap the week that was in Foxboro and look ahead to kickoff.

Ready, set, football.

1. McDaniels’ Bills problem

A not-so-fun fact: since Buffalo hired head coach Sean McDermott in 2017, Patriots quarterbacks have thrown more interceptions than touchdowns against the Bills.

That’s right. Sixteen picks to 15 touchdowns. And no quarterback, not even Tom Brady, has been immune to the Bills curse.

Granted, several factors are at work here, starting with Buffalo’s roster growing into one of the NFL’s best and the Patriots’ roster, for the most part, crumbling during that same time. But the one constant spanning their battles from 2017-21 is back again: Josh McDaniels.

McDaniels coached Brady over his last six games against the Bills. when he tossed four touchdowns and five interceptions. He coached Cam Newton and a young Mac Jones, who only beat Buffalo when the Pats literally took the ball out of his hands by passing three times in a windstorm. On Thursday, McDaniels offered some insight into the problems that have fed into his Bills problem over the years, starting with disguise and ball security.

“They might show you what they want you to think (the coverage) is, and then they try to do the best they can to change that once the ball snaps,” McDaniels said. “So we’re going to have to be very disciplined once the ball is snapped to make sure that we confirm whatever we thought it was, or confirm that it changed. And there’ll be a number of snaps on Sunday night where whatever we looked at before the ball was in Drake’s hands is going to change once we have it.”

Ironically enough, almost four years after Jones sat out his own victory, McDaniels’ solution might be to take the ball out of his quarterback’s hands again. The Bills are allowing six yards per carry and own the league’s third-worst run defense by the opponent-and-situation-adjusted metric DVOA. Maye, of course, must throw more than Jones did that night.

But if the Patriots are running more often than not Sunday, that might be the surest sign of a victory Monday to come.

2. Secret red-zone weapon

After last Sunday’s 4-of-4 showing inside the red zone against Carolina, the Patriots rank eighth in the red-zone offense.

They have a new assistant to thank for that: wide receivers (and RZ planning) coach Todd Downing.


Downing has carved out an interesting niche over his career with red-zone game-planning. Before he spent his last two years coaching the Aaron Rodgers Jets, Downing spearheaded Tennessee’s red-zone offense under Mike Vrabel. In those years, the Titans punched their way to the league’s No. 1 spot in 2019, when they made the AFC Championship Game, then ranked second, ninth and sixth in each of the following three seasons.

This year, there seems to be a curious change.

Vrabel revealed Wednesday part of the staff’s game-planning process involves him meeting with Downing and passing game coordinator/tight ends coach Thomas Brown to discuss red-zone plays, then the three of them pitching said plays to McDaniels.

“I like to go in and talk with Todd and Thomas (Brown), and get some preliminary thoughts, some things that we may like and then be able to present it to Josh (McDaniels) as we work through the week,” Vrabel said.

The picture Vrabel painted suggests a rare setup where the head coach backs two assistants during midweek meetings with their direct boss. I can’t say I’ve heard of that before. But hey, Downing’s track record speaks for itself.

3. Will Pats man up on Allen?

In the final years of the Bill Belichick era, you could always bank on the greatest coach of all time drawing up the same game plan against elite quarterbacks.

Man-to-man coverage, and creative four-man rushes.

Belichick attacked Patrick Mahomes the same way he did Tom Brady in Brady’s return as a Buccaneers and later on, Josh Allen. He forced them to make tight-window throws against tight, physical coverage instead of soft zone. Because long as you have the right cornerbacks to call man coverage, as Belichick did with Stephon Gilmore, J.C. Jackson, then briefly Christian Gonzalez, why would you run anything else?

“Hopefully, we can just play cat coverage,” Vrabel said in March. “Like, you got that cat, I got this cat, and we can go to work.”

Which begs the question: now that Gonzalez is back, shouldn’t it be time for him and Carlton Davis to play “cat coverage” against Allen?

This is what Davis had to say on the matter Thursday: “Yeah, for sure. You know, I feel like this is kind of a loaded question in a way. I don’t want to give you too much, but yeah, we’ll kind of do a little bit of that.”

4. Maye learning fast

Earlier this week, the Herald’s Doug Kyed out-lined how Maye is statistically ahead of where Allen was through the first 16 games of his career.

The trouble for Maye is Allen made a solid leap from Year 1 to Year 2, then a massive, almost unprecedented jump in Year 3. If Maye eventually makes the same leap, he might thank Allen for it.

This week, he revealed what he’s tried to copy from the MVP’s game.

“Any time you watch those quarterbacks around the league playing at a high level like that, you try to learn something. (I) learn how he’s looking off defenders, or learn what he’s doing with his pump fakes when he’s out in the perimeter, stuff like that that he’s so good at.” Maye said. “From there, he’s great throwing down the field and great at extending plays, moving guys and scramble drill. He’s great.”

5. ‘Who is this guy?’​


Long before Marcus Jones scored an 87-yard punt return touchdown, and took another punt back 61 yards in the same game, Jeremy Springer marveled at the player now saving his special teams.

In 2021, Marcus Jones was playing out his senior season at the University of Houston, while Springer worked as the special teams coordinator at Marshall. Over a six-game stretch, Jones scored four return touchdowns, which put him on video reels Springer used to assemble each week so he could study the best special teams plays from around the country. No one appeared on those reels more than Jones.

“(One game) he had, like, two touchdowns or he had two big returns. And I’m like, ‘Dude, who is this guy?’ ” Springer said this week. “Because no one could tackle him, no one could stop him.”

Jones currently leads the NFL in punt return yards and is tied for the league lead with one touchdown. If he keeps up his pace, Jones should earn the second All-Pro honor of his career, and along the way help propel the Pats to another blowout or two. Or, maybe, an upset win.

“I don’t have to coach him. He just does his thing,” Springer said. “I’m just being serious. He’s one hell of a player.”

 
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