What pisses me off.

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What pisses me off, is the New England Patriots in the 2nd quarter were a goddamn Super Bowl team. That team wins the whole damn thing. Offense, defense, special teams, coaching, everything firing.

The fact that it wasn't that way in the other 3 quarters is what pisses me off.
 
What pisses me off, is the New England Patriots in the 2nd quarter were a goddamn Super Bowl team. That team wins the whole damn thing. Offense, defense, special teams, coaching, everything firing.

The fact that it wasn't that way in the other 3 quarters is what pisses me off.
What you just outlined is the difference between being a SB contending team and a middler team. The team has to be more consistent everywhere - offense, defense, STs and coaching.
 
What you just outlined is the difference between being a SB contending team and a middler team. The team has to be more consistent everywhere - offense, defense, STs and coaching.
No, that's not what I outlined. What I outlined is, the 2023 Patriots have the talent and coaching to win the Super Bowl. THIS. YEAR. They showed it in the 2nd quarter. THAT team beats everybody.

That's different than "Oh gosh, they tried, they just need to be more consistent". That's the 2022 Patriots. That team at no point showed any flashes of being a Super Bowl team. This could be a championship team. But they gave away a W, which they will need in this conference come the playoffs. And THAT is why I'm pissed off. I get it's the first game, I get it, but it was the first game for them too.
 
There is another team and coaches out there.

But, I agree Bill has built a more formidable team than we thought based on what we saw today.
 
No, that's not what I outlined. What I outlined is, the 2023 Patriots have the talent and coaching to win the Super Bowl. THIS. YEAR. They showed it in the 2nd quarter. THAT team beats everybody.

That's different than "Oh gosh, they tried, they just need to be more consistent". That's the 2022 Patriots. That team at no point showed any flashes of being a Super Bowl team. This could be a championship team. But they gave away a W, which they will need in this conference come the playoffs. And THAT is why I'm pissed off. I get it's the first game, I get it, but it was the first game for them too.
Last year was a dumpster fire
 
Last year was a dumpster fire
And they were still 8-9, a couple of plays from a playoff berth.

You can pretend it was a 2-15 team last year, but it wasn't.
 
And they were still 8-9, a couple of plays from a playoff berth.

You can pretend it was a 2-15 team last year, but it wasn't.
I really don't understand what the point is of your rant thread. Plenty of teams have talent in the league and could be Super Bowl contenders but aren't because their operation is a joke. That is what the Patriots have become post-Brady. That first quarter was Jete football. It was so bad that I think it even shocked the Eagles who before they could even sip their first drink of Gatorade were up 16-0. I lost count of all the coaching blunders from play calling in the second half to Bill's not taking the easy 3 with 10 minutes left in the 4th down 5. That was bush league point chasing.

I am not sure how many times you need to see the same thing before you realize this is NOT a SB team. Like you said in the game thread, this game was a carbon copy of the Vikings game from last year.
 
I think it's a little delusional thinking that this team is a Super Bowl team right now. I really wish that they are, but wishing does not make it so.
I've said from the beginning that I thought that they would be a competitive team. A team that no other team can put an automatic W on their schedule. A team that other teams better play their best football or suffer the consequences.
It's also a team that cannot commit turnovers and drive killing penalties and expect to compete win good teams.
That is why I'm not pissed off. I don't accept moral victories. I also don't have unrealistic expectations. What we saw today was an improved team over last years team on both sides of the ball. But still a step or two from being a real contender.
 
I think it's a little delusional thinking that this team is a Super Bowl team right now. I really wish that they are, but wishing does not make it so.
I've said from the beginning that I thought that they would be a competitive team. A team that no other team can put an automatic W on their schedule. A team that other teams better play their best football or suffer the consequences.
It's also a team that cannot commit turnovers and drive killing penalties and expect to compete win good teams.
That is why I'm not pissed off. I don't accept moral victories. I also don't have unrealistic expectations. What we saw today was an improved team over last years team on both sides of the ball. But still a step or two from being a real contender.
No other team in the AFC East is going to watch tonighst all 22 and be encouraged. This team will be a second-half team much like the 2001 team. I'm actually looking forward to this season more than I have any in the last 10 years. I think Bill Belichick, Bill O'Brien, and Mac Jones are going to shove a lot of shit up peoples asses this year. Let's see how things play out. I'll take a wild card and a road game and see how it goes. :beer:
 
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I think it's a little delusional thinking that this team is a Super Bowl team right now. I really wish that they are, but wishing does not make it so.
I've said from the beginning that I thought that they would be a competitive team. A team that no other team can put an automatic W on their schedule. A team that other teams better play their best football or suffer the consequences.
It's also a team that cannot commit turnovers and drive killing penalties and expect to compete win good teams.
That is why I'm not pissed off. I don't accept moral victories. I also don't have unrealistic expectations. What we saw today was an improved team over last years team on both sides of the ball. But still a step or two from being a real contender.
I disagree, and don't think it's delusional. That is the best defense in the NFL we saw out there today. Right now, it's the best. You can't squander that and be happy with incremental improvements - in games you should have won, with a schedule like this, in a division and conference like this. Yes, it's better than last year, but there was a W on the table, and now it's an L. This team needs to make a good run this year. And dropping games that should be wins is the best way NOT to do that.
 
I disagree, and don't think it's delusional. That is the best defense in the NFL we saw out there today. Right now, it's the best. You can't squander that and be happy with incremental improvements - in games you should have won, with a schedule like this, in a division and conference like this. Yes, it's better than last year, but there was a W on the table, and now it's an L. This team needs to make a good run this year. And dropping games that should be wins is the best way NOT to do that.
Give them TIME. You are right about the D. The O needs time. The D has been developed and coached for 3+ years now. The O needs to catch up. They will.

This was the EAGLES D not the Rams D.

I am confident that this team beats almost any other team other than the Eagles, Chiefs, 49ers and the Lions today (yes that includes the AFC East).

Holy shit!

That is something right there.
 
Give them TIME. You are right about the D. The O needs time. The D has been developed and coached for 3+ years now. The O needs to catch up. They will.

This was the EAGLES D not the Rams D.

I am confident that this team beats almost any other team other than the Eagles, Chiefs, 49ers and the Lions today (yes that includes the AFC East).

Holy shit!

That is something right there.
Time is not a luxury this team has this year. Not when they're giving away wins. The margin for error just shrunk. Players will get injured, weird, quirky things happen. You can't have this defense, and miss the playoffs. Squandering that would be a tragedy, and people will be looking for heads on pikes, and I couldn't say they were wrong.
 
Time is not a luxury this team has this year. Not when they're giving away wins. The margin for error just shrunk. Players will get injured, weird, quirky things happen. You can't have this defense, and miss the playoffs. Squandering that would be a tragedy, and people will be looking for heads on pikes, and I couldn't say they were wrong.
Nobody had this down as a win in their predictions. Even the folks that have them making the playoffs (such as myself) had this down as a loss. Did we have it down as a close loss? Not really. I'm highly encouraged and I will look again tomorrow between teams meetings for work to see if I want to update my prediction for this year to include more wins as a result of what I saw today. :clap:
 
Nobody had this down as a win in their predictions. Even the folks that have them making the playoffs (such as myself) had this down as a loss. Did we have it down as a close loss? Not really. I'm highly encouraged and I will look again tomorrow between teams meetings for work to see if I want to update my prediction for this year to include more wins as a result of what I saw today. :clap:
Predictions are like assholes. :coffee:
 
The Def was incredible today.
That's the best defense in the NFL, and you can't tell me otherwise. The Eagles were 3rd in scoring offense last year, 3rd in yards, nearly 400 yards a game last year. They held them to 250 yards of total offense today. 154 passing yards. 154. The top 3 receivers has 95, 88, and 55 receptions last year, for 1196, 1496 and 702 yards, and 21 TDs. They averaged almost 120 yards a game rushing, 97 today (after giving up almost 40 on the first drive of the game).

Best in the NFL. There isn't a close 2nd. Maybe SF is in the conversation.
 
That's the best defense in the NFL, and you can't tell me otherwise. The Eagles were 3rd in scoring offense last year, 3rd in yards, nearly 400 yards a game last year. They held them to 250 yards of total offense today. 154 passing yards. 154. The top 3 receivers has 95, 88, and 55 receptions last year, for 1196, 1496 and 702 yards, and 21 TDs. They averaged almost 120 yards a game rushing, 97 today (after giving up almost 40 on the first drive of the game).

Best in the NFL. There isn't a close 2nd. Maybe SF is in the conversation.
...and don't forget that the defense held that offense to 17 points, 7 of which were on an extremely short field.

That said, I agree with your broader point - what we saw in the 2nd quarter was a superb owl team. But that was heavily schemed; it wasn't as if they could do whatever they wanted to do, or were having their way with Philly.

More to the point, if someone had told you at noon today the score of this game, and that it was down to that Boutte play on the sideline, would you have taken it? I would have.

As I've said, this team is very well built to be the team no one wants any part of at the end of the year. They need to get through the first 8 games at no worse than 3-5. 5-3 should put them in outstanding position heading into the softer part of their schedule before a rough stretch run.
 
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