What will Trump's parting shots be? Pardons, sanctions, wars, executive orders, declassifications...

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Does Comey ring a bell? How about Peter Strzok? Did this news not make it to the far right websites yet? During the investigation there were people terminated that he did not like how far they were getting into what happened. This is pretty much what Trump does, when someone does not agree with him or OMG says something bad about him that is true, he fires them.

Strzok?

:rofl:

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Strzok left the investigation in late July 2017 after the discovery of personal text messages sent to a colleague.[49] At the request of Republicans in Congress, the Justice Department (DOJ) Inspector General (IG) began an inquiry in January 2017 into how the FBI handled investigations related to the election, and the IG announced it would issue a report by March or April 2018.[29][50] The report was eventually released on June 14, 2018, after several delays.

On June 15, 2018, the day after this IG report was published, Strzok was escorted from FBI headquarters as part of the bureau's internal conduct investigations.[51] The move put Strzok on notice that the bureau intended to fire him, though he had appeal rights that could delay such action.[52] On June 21, 2018, Attorney General Jeff Sessions said that Strzok had lost his security clearance.[53]

FBI Deputy Director David L. Bowdich fired Strzok on August 10, 2018. His decision overruled the FBI Office of Professional Responsibility, whose head, Candice Will, had decided that Strzok should be demoted and suspended for 60 days.[54] On August 13, a GoFundMe campaign was created by "Friends Of Special Agent Peter Strzok" to raise money for Strzok's lost income and ongoing legal costs

So first, Trump didn't fire him, the FBI director did, after he was found to have violated Bureau policies.

But let's set that aside for the moment.

What about Mueller? Wasn't he appointed after Comey's firing to investigate the collusion "theory"?

Didn't he have access to resources and capabilities to fully investigate the question?

And what did he find related to collusion?

Not a god damn thing.
 

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Strzok?

:rofl:

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So first, Trump didn't fire him, the FBI director did, after he was found to have violated Bureau policies.

But let's set that aside for the moment.

What about Mueller? Wasn't he appointed after Comey's firing to investigate the collusion "theory"?

Didn't he have access to resources and capabilities to fully investigate the question?

And what did he find related to collusion?

Not a god damn thing.
He was pressured by Trump, dude I knew this was going to happen, you cannot say anything down here without people doing this. If you ask a question and I answer it thats it, you dont have to agree with it. If you are going to
act like Trump did not influence these things, I am not sure what to tell you. Carry on. This is not new, its not some news flash in the past 24 hours, it was talked about to death. Basically it seemed for awhile that if you were in contact with trump you went to jail or you were fired. If you dont think so, cool enough, thats why we all get to have opinions.
 

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Because he said he supports him? That's usually a good indicator if someone supports someone, they say so. He has supported him and defended him.

Uh yeah, because if Diogenes encountered any politician, he could end his quest right there. :shake:

So you're position is that absolutely anything Putin says must be the complete and honest truth. There is zero chance that he would obfuscate things as a means to another goal.

Yeah well, if you believe that, I've got a bridge for sale in Brooklyn.
 

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He was pressured by Trump, dude I knew this was going to happen, you cannot say anything down here without people doing this. If you ask a question and I answer it thats it, you dont have to agree with it. If you are going to
act like Trump did not influence these things, I am not sure what to tell you. Carry on. This is not new, its not some news flash in the past 24 hours, it was talked about to death. Basically it seemed for awhile that if you were in contact with trump you went to jail or you were fired. If you dont think so, cool enough, thats why we all get to have opinions.

“You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.”​


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Uh yeah, because if Diogenes encountered any politician, he could end his quest right there. :shake:

So you're position is that absolutely anything Putin says must be the complete and honest truth. There is zero chance that he would obfuscate things as a means to another goal.

Yeah well, if you believe that, I've got a bridge for sale in Brooklyn.
I'm in the position that he said he supported him, that is all I have to go by, if you want me to choose between guy on message board saying he doesnt or him saying he does, well I guess thats a tough choice. I mean I wouldnt say I support the clown if I really didnt. He says he does, others say he does, you say he doesnt. So thats that.
 

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I'm in the position that he said he supported him, that is all I have to go by, if you want me to choose between guy on message board saying he doesnt or him saying he does, well I guess thats a tough choice. I mean I wouldnt say I support the clown if I really didnt. He says he does, others say he does, you say he doesnt. So thats that.

OK, so riddle me this.

Trump says he's not a racist. Do you believe him?

I'd guess the answer is no.

Why is that?

Well, assuming you don't believe him, it's because you've seen other things that make you think that he's not being honest.

You see that's called evaluating a claim, based on additional evidence.

If you say you have nothing else to go by on Putin's honesty, then clearly you have refused to read the links I provided and made a judgment as to how Trump has been a pain in the ass to Putin.

Oh, and one other thing not in that link.

Fracking. Under Trump the US became one of the largest producers of oil and gas on the planet.

What'd that do to Russia?

Russia's primary source of income is oil and gas, so when the price went down, Russia took a big hit in the financial pocket.

Oh, riddle me this. Who is more likely to increase US oil and gas production and who is more likely to reduce it? Hillary/Biden or Trump?

Yeah, so Putin supports the guy whos going to cost him millions, if not billions, of rubbles. Obviously there's no reason to doubt his "word" :shake:

Oh and BTW, some say trump is a racist, other's say he isn't, so again it's just like your wimbly wambly wombly defense.
 

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What the frack are you talking about?

He’s just moving the goal posts.
It’s just what Midgar does.

He’s stuck in the delusion that the impeachment was about Russia.

It wasn’t at all.

He thinks that suing a company is fascism.
Also false.

Etc, etc.


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He thinks that suing a company is fascism.
Wut???
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He’s just moving the goal posts.
It’s just what Midgar does.

He’s stuck in the delusion that the impeachment was about Russia.

It wasn’t at all.

He thinks that suing a company is fascism.
Also false.

Etc, etc.


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I never said any of that, so maybe instead of trying to say what someone else means, you can ask questions like an adult. I did not say suing a company is fascism , not even once. If you are going to continue to reply to my posts, can you give your own thoughts on something and not try to talk for me? Appreciate it. Saying Trump is a fascist is not even the new thing anymore, its so engrained its almost second nature. He is literally like the poster boy for it. So, you can think he isnt, I really dont care, it does nothing to change my life, but don't speak for me, speak for yourself, because of all the people I would want as my spokesman, you are not it.
 
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Here is a good article, that was sent to me. It is a good description on things and why a record number of voters voted him out. If you dont agree with it, thats ok too, does not change my mind. Sorry folks, people have spoken, and ended
this nightmare. You don't have to like it, a lot of people dont, but more people do, and that is why he is gone. His goal now is to stay out of jail. Good luck to him.
 

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I never said any of that, so maybe instead of trying to say what someone else means, you can ask questions like an adult. I did not say suing a company is fascism , not even once. If you are going to continue to reply to my posts, can you give your own thoughts on something and not try to talk for me? Appreciate it. Saying Trump is a fascist is not even the new thing anymore, its so engrained its almost second nature. He is literally like the poster boy for it. So, you can think he isnt, I really dont care, it does nothing to change my life, but don't speak for me, speak for yourself, because of all the people I would want as my spokesman, you are not it.

This is 100% BS.
You claimed that Trump suing a social network was an example of fascism.

Show us evidence, real evidence, of fascism.
You have yet to do so.


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Here is a good article, that was sent to me. It is a good description on things and why a record number of voters voted him out. If you dont agree with it, thats ok too, does not change my mind. Sorry folks, people have spoken, and ended
this nightmare. You don't have to like it, a lot of people dont, but more people do, and that is why he is gone. His goal now is to stay out of jail. Good luck to him.

The Guardian, really?

And notice how that article says that they don’t even call him a fascist. The letter didn’t even have a consensus.
Swing and a miss!


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Here is a good article, that was sent to me. It is a good description on things and why a record number of voters voted him out. If you dont agree with it, thats ok too, does not change my mind. Sorry folks, people have spoken, and ended
this nightmare. You don't have to like it, a lot of people dont, but more people do, and that is why he is gone. His goal now is to stay out of jail. Good luck to him.

OK, so....instead of reading The Guardian's spin, I went to the source document....and I wish I could say I was shocked that the Guardian's interpretation of the letter is...well....not well tethered, let's say...it's just the Guardian doing what a LOT of leftist propaganda media does...."interpret" things for their viewers and readers, because they know their viewers and readers will just download whatever the propagandists say and repeat that.

So I must say that I really was shocked, I mean genuinely shocked, to find that the source document is dead on balls correct and I agree with almost all of it, and here it is;


Regardless of the outcome of the United States’ election, democracy as we know it is already imperiled. However, it is not too late to turn the tide.


Whether Donald J. Trump is a fascist, a post-fascist populist, an autocrat, or just a bumbling opportunist, the danger to democracy did not arrive with his presidency and goes well beyond November 3rd, 2020.


While democracy appeared to be flourishing everywhere in the years following the end of the Cold War, today it seems to be withering or in full-scale collapse globally. As scholars of twentieth century authoritarian populism, fascism, and political extremism, we believe that unless we take immediate action, democracy as we know it will continue in its frightening regression, irrespective of who wins the American presidency in early November.


In contrast to the hollow proclamations of economic and political liberalism’s “inevitable” triumph over authoritarianism in all its iterations, studying the past demonstrates that democracy is extremely fragile and potentially temporary, requiring vigilance and protection. Scholars of race, colonialism, and imperialism have further deepened our perspectives by reminding us of how the myths of national “greatness” were and continue to be written on the backs of largely silenced, marginalized and oftentimes enslaved or unfree, “others.”


We study the conditions that have historically accompanied the rise of authoritarian and fascistic regimes. In nearly every case, we have observed how profound social, political, and economic disruptions, including the ravages of military conflicts, depressions, and the enormous pressures caused by globalization, deeply shook people’s confidence in democracy’s ability to adequately respond to their plights, or even provide basic forms of long-term security.


We have seen all of these patterns in our study of the past, and we recognize the signs of a crisis of democracy in today’s world as well. The Covid-19 pandemic has exposed profound inequalities of class and race across the globe. As the last four years have demonstrated, the temptation to take refuge in a figure of arrogant strength is now greater than ever.


To meet the challenge at hand, there are several things we must do.


We must boldly and unapologetically safeguard critical thinking based on evidence. This includes demonstrating the virtues of entertaining a wide array of positions and perspectives, and support, both in word and deed, for investigative journalism, science and the humanities, and freedom of the press. We need swift and tangible commitments from corporate media organizations and governments to tackle the dangers of misinformation and media concentration. We must encourage coalitions organized across differences of race, class, gender, religion and caste, while respecting the perspectives and experiences of others. We need to reveal and denounce any and all connections between those in power and those vigilante and militia forces using political violence to destabilize our democracies. Much like the active democratic movements across the globe from Nigeria to India, Belarus to Hong Kong, we must be prepared to defend pluralism and democracy against the growing dangers of communal violence and authoritarianism at the ballot box but, if necessary, also through non-violent protest in the streets. We must defend the integrity of the electoral process and ensure the widest possible voter turnouts, not just in this election but in every election large and small in all of our hometowns. And we must re-commit to a global conversation on support for democratic institutions, laws, and practices both within and between our respective countries. This includes directly confronting the unfettered greed that drives global inequality, which has unleashed geopolitical rivalries over access to resources, international migrations, and collapsed state sovereignties all over the world.


We need to turn away from the rule by entrenched elites and return to the rule of law. We must replace the politics of “internal enemies” with a politics of adversaries in a healthy, democratic marketplace of ideas. And above else, we need to work together to find ways to keep the light of democracy shining in our countries and all over the world. Because if we don’t, we will indeed face dark days ahead.


Signed,



Doesn't exactly say what the TDS crowd wants to pretend it says, does it? Not that that matters. I highlighted the most interesting and accurate parts myself, according to my own judgement.

So, the letter kind of speaks for itself, doesn't it? It makes dramatically clear where the fascist threat is coming from, doesn't it? Just look for the pro-war, pro riots and looting in the streets, pro globalism, and pro censorship folks, and you've found your fascists!

Thanks for sharing this.
 

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OK, so....instead of reading The Guardian's spin, I went to the source document....and I wish I could say I was shocked that the Guardian's interpretation of the letter is...well....not well tethered, let's say...it's just the Guardian doing what a LOT of leftist propaganda media does...."interpret" things for their viewers and readers, because they know their viewers and readers will just download whatever the propagandists say and repeat that.

So I must say that I really was shocked, I mean genuinely shocked, to find that the source document is dead on balls correct and I agree with almost all of it, and here it is;


Regardless of the outcome of the United States’ election, democracy as we know it is already imperiled. However, it is not too late to turn the tide.


Whether Donald J. Trump is a fascist, a post-fascist populist, an autocrat, or just a bumbling opportunist, the danger to democracy did not arrive with his presidency and goes well beyond November 3rd, 2020.


While democracy appeared to be flourishing everywhere in the years following the end of the Cold War, today it seems to be withering or in full-scale collapse globally. As scholars of twentieth century authoritarian populism, fascism, and political extremism, we believe that unless we take immediate action, democracy as we know it will continue in its frightening regression, irrespective of who wins the American presidency in early November.


In contrast to the hollow proclamations of economic and political liberalism’s “inevitable” triumph over authoritarianism in all its iterations, studying the past demonstrates that democracy is extremely fragile and potentially temporary, requiring vigilance and protection. Scholars of race, colonialism, and imperialism have further deepened our perspectives by reminding us of how the myths of national “greatness” were and continue to be written on the backs of largely silenced, marginalized and oftentimes enslaved or unfree, “others.”


We study the conditions that have historically accompanied the rise of authoritarian and fascistic regimes. In nearly every case, we have observed how profound social, political, and economic disruptions, including the ravages of military conflicts, depressions, and the enormous pressures caused by globalization, deeply shook people’s confidence in democracy’s ability to adequately respond to their plights, or even provide basic forms of long-term security.


We have seen all of these patterns in our study of the past, and we recognize the signs of a crisis of democracy in today’s world as well. The Covid-19 pandemic has exposed profound inequalities of class and race across the globe. As the last four years have demonstrated, the temptation to take refuge in a figure of arrogant strength is now greater than ever.


To meet the challenge at hand, there are several things we must do.


We must boldly and unapologetically safeguard critical thinking based on evidence. This includes demonstrating the virtues of entertaining a wide array of positions and perspectives, and support, both in word and deed, for investigative journalism, science and the humanities, and freedom of the press. We need swift and tangible commitments from corporate media organizations and governments to tackle the dangers of misinformation and media concentration. We must encourage coalitions organized across differences of race, class, gender, religion and caste, while respecting the perspectives and experiences of others. We need to reveal and denounce any and all connections between those in power and those vigilante and militia forces using political violence to destabilize our democracies. Much like the active democratic movements across the globe from Nigeria to India, Belarus to Hong Kong, we must be prepared to defend pluralism and democracy against the growing dangers of communal violence and authoritarianism at the ballot box but, if necessary, also through non-violent protest in the streets. We must defend the integrity of the electoral process and ensure the widest possible voter turnouts, not just in this election but in every election large and small in all of our hometowns. And we must re-commit to a global conversation on support for democratic institutions, laws, and practices both within and between our respective countries. This includes directly confronting the unfettered greed that drives global inequality, which has unleashed geopolitical rivalries over access to resources, international migrations, and collapsed state sovereignties all over the world.


We need to turn away from the rule by entrenched elites and return to the rule of law. We must replace the politics of “internal enemies” with a politics of adversaries in a healthy, democratic marketplace of ideas. And above else, we need to work together to find ways to keep the light of democracy shining in our countries and all over the world. Because if we don’t, we will indeed face dark days ahead.


Signed,




Doesn't exactly say what the TDS crowd wants to pretend it says, does it? Not that that matters. I highlighted the most interesting and accurate parts myself, according to my own judgement.

So, the letter kind of speaks for itself, doesn't it? It makes dramatically clear where the fascist threat is coming from, doesn't it? Just look for the pro-war, pro riots and looting in the streets, pro globalism, and pro censorship folks, and you've found your fascists!

Thanks for sharing this.
So you wont read my link, but want me to read yours? lol, yep that sums up the political forum.
 

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Wait, WHAT?!?!?!?!??

Read Baron’s post again!

Holy dear god. It’s garbage like this that got you banned in the first place!



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I was never banned so not sure what you are talking about. He said he was not going to read my link and then posted his own. Not sure what the confusion is here other than your agenda based attacks on me as usual.
"OK, so....instead of reading The Guardian's spin, I went to the source document"
That pretty much had me lose interest. If you are not going to bother reading something, then the idea of reading another spin from a place you like better is not really going to matter much. So calm down, not sure why you jumped into the conversation. Go chill somewhere and and keep defending trump while you say you hate him.
 

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I was never banned so not sure what you are talking about. He said he was not going to read my link and then posted his own. Not sure what the confusion is here other than your agenda based attacks on me as usual.
"OK, so....instead of reading The Guardian's spin, I went to the source document"
That pretty much had me lose interest. If you are not going to bother reading something, then the idea of reading another spin from a place you like better is not really going to matter much. So calm down, not sure why you jumped into the conversation. Go chill somewhere and and keep defending trump while you say you hate him.

He posted the original source, not the BS spin from the Guardian. Not sure what you get about that?
 
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