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what the hell does that even mean?
BTW- You forgot Marino being tired with Favre for being the biggest choke artist in NFL history
What would the 3 time World Champions do without a Kicker?
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BTW- You forgot Marino being tired with Favre for being the biggest choke artist in NFL history
Brady will go in as at least a 3 time Superbowl champion and 2 time Superbowl MVP... the legacy of cheating won't impact him any more than it does Don Shula* for his legacy of cheating.. people will forget (all but you) and move on. The world knows that he's a great QB, you're the only one still questioning it.
They had to put "prolific passer" because they couldn't put "selfish choke artist".. that wouldn't have looked right.
You bring up Brady only scoring 7 points, but you ignore Dans 62-7 playoff loss.. You mention his fourth quarter comebacks, but you ignore the fact that Brady is on pace to triple his comebacks.. You mention the 3 playoff games Brady lost, and ignore the 14 he won and the fact that Marino was 8-10 (so Brady has almost double his playoff wins in less than half the seasons.. Take the blinders off. You not only look like a whiney jealous fanboi, you look like a fool on a daily basis.
The refs and cheating excuses can only get you so far.. you need to realize you chose the wrong team back when you were 12, you should have gone with the 49ers, then you'd have Joe Montana as your favorite QB and you'd have an argument. As it stands, you have no ammo. You're the guy who's telling the guy with the porsche his car is small and you're driving a 1972 rotted out chevy impala.
They had to put "prolific passer" because they couldn't put "selfish choke artist".. that wouldn't have looked right.
You bring up Brady only scoring 7 points, but you ignore Dans 62-7 playoff loss.. You mention his fourth quarter comebacks, but you ignore the fact that Brady is on pace to triple his comebacks.. You mention the 3 playoff games Brady lost, and ignore the 14 he won and the fact that Marino was 8-10 (so Brady has almost double his playoff wins in less than half the seasons.. Take the blinders off. You not only look like a whiney jealous fanboi, you look like a fool on a daily basis.
The refs and cheating excuses can only get you so far.. you need to realize you chose the wrong team back when you were 12, you should have gone with the 49ers, then you'd have Joe Montana as your favorite QB and you'd have an argument. As it stands, you have no ammo. You're the guy who's telling the guy with the porsche his car is small and you're driving a 1972 rotted out chevy impala.
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- Im the "ONLY" one questions Brady's greatness !!!! are you fvcking kidding...because all you fans stick your pathetic heads up his ass & the NFL media sensationalized him to the hilt ...doesn't mean everyone is brain fvcked by the oper hype...
Facts are facts...he didn't have a single god damn passing records for 6 of 7 years like 23 other active QB's did......he ranked 9th or worst 4 of his first 6 years and "ONLY" ranked top 5 once...thank God for the Olly oop Hail Moss pass...
and with these facts alone...its rediculous to put Brady in any conversation as the greatest QB even in todays era...those 3 rings are all he has & Adam Venitieri won them...and BB* cheated & stoled opponants signals & had onfield access to them for 7 fvcking years...
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On field access? Do you have a link that proves this. Answer: NO, Just more JEALOUS HATER BULLSHIT.
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The camera was on the sidelees right next to him...and Im sure went into the locker room on many occassions...
What fvcking planet are you on ? ...you didn't know this or did you just forget already ?
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You make me laugh...you can't name a bigger choke job game than 18-1...that game could have been historical...and Brady couldn't get it done with all those weapons against a defense that gives up 21 pts per game...
So enough of your Marino biggest choker bullshit...especially in a 62-7 game...Dan doesn't play fvcking defense
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How many interceptions did Dan throw that game? You can't win a game when your qb keeps giving the ball back to the other team. Eventually, your defense gets tired. ROFL
You need to get over the passing records thing.. passing records don't build champions, winning playoff games does.
The year before Marino joined the team they got to the SB on the strength of the running game. His passing records are a result of him wanting all the glory and thinking he could do it all himself. Football is a team sport, Marino wasn't a team player. He was a crybaby (probably why you liked him so much, you could relate) and a choker.
You also have to look at interceptions, protecting the ball is key to winning championships. Interceptions don't show up on passing records. Dan threw 2 or more interceptions in 10 playoff games.. they were 1-9 in those games.
There's more to the sport than just being able to throw the ball really far consistently.. if it was a distance contest, then Dan would have been king.
Brady knew how to win by spreading the ball around, not being selfish.. something Dan could have learned from. So you can say "fvcking" and cry about refs and cheating all you want, you'll never be able to take away those championships and you'll never be able to get one for Dan.. it's over.. accept it and move on. You chose a favorite team when you were 12.. it's not to late to throw the names back into the hat and pull out another one. Perhaps you'll get the Jets this time and you can hop on the Brett Favre bandwagon!
The year before Marino joined the team they got to the SB on the strength of the running game. His passing records are a result of him wanting all the glory and thinking he could do it all himself. Football is a team sport, Marino wasn't a team player. He was a crybaby (probably why you liked him so much, you could relate) and a choker.
You also have to look at interceptions, protecting the ball is key to winning championships. Interceptions don't show up on passing records. Dan threw 2 or more interceptions in 10 playoff games.. they were 1-9 in those games.
There's more to the sport than just being able to throw the ball really far consistently.. if it was a distance contest, then Dan would have been king.
Brady knew how to win by spreading the ball around, not being selfish.. something Dan could have learned from. So you can say "fvcking" and cry about refs and cheating all you want, you'll never be able to take away those championships and you'll never be able to get one for Dan.. it's over.. accept it and move on. You chose a favorite team when you were 12.. it's not to late to throw the names back into the hat and pull out another one. Perhaps you'll get the Jets this time and you can hop on the Brett Favre bandwagon!
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But Brady does?
More excuses for Dan... aww.. poor Dan..
You're so quick to point out that Brady only had 7 points in the Giants SB, but you never mention the defense in that one.. even though Brady drove the team down to score and the defense couldn't hold. Funny how things are always one way with you, blinded by the hate. I don't remember Tom Brady ever being benched in a playoff game.. why didn't they bench the defense? Admit it.. it was the biggest choke job of his career, a career full of choke jobs.
Marino threw for a career-low 95 yards. At one point in the game, Marino's line read: 0 for 7, two interceptions, two sacks, lost fumble returned for a touchdown.
His first pass was intercepted by Aaron Beasley. The next time Marino took a snap, he was sacked by Tony Brackens, and Brackens picked up the fumble and returned it for a touchdown.
Marino didn't complete his first pass until 10:43 remained in the second quarter. By that time, the Dolphins were behind 38-0 and Jaguars quarterback Mark Brunell was already on the bench.
When Marino mercifully went to the bench, the Jaguars led 48-7
http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/031100/jag_2405857.html
You're so quick to point out that Brady only had 7 points in the Giants SB, but you never mention the defense in that one.. even though Brady drove the team down to score and the defense couldn't hold. Funny how things are always one way with you, blinded by the hate. I don't remember Tom Brady ever being benched in a playoff game.. why didn't they bench the defense? Admit it.. it was the biggest choke job of his career, a career full of choke jobs.
Marino threw for a career-low 95 yards. At one point in the game, Marino's line read: 0 for 7, two interceptions, two sacks, lost fumble returned for a touchdown.
His first pass was intercepted by Aaron Beasley. The next time Marino took a snap, he was sacked by Tony Brackens, and Brackens picked up the fumble and returned it for a touchdown.
Marino didn't complete his first pass until 10:43 remained in the second quarter. By that time, the Dolphins were behind 38-0 and Jaguars quarterback Mark Brunell was already on the bench.
When Marino mercifully went to the bench, the Jaguars led 48-7
http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/031100/jag_2405857.html
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1- Why should I get over it...because the QB you & the sensationalized NFL media is trying to sell the world that Tom Brady is the best QB in the NFL & arguably All Time !!!! Didsn't even have a single passing record in 6 of 7 years...and was also ranked 9th or worst in thise 6 seasons and had a pathetic 24% completion percentage in balls thrown 20+ yds to Manning & Palmers 40% +....
No fvcking shit records don't win championships...records are the actual onfield factual performance's ...so if your good your hurting your team...HHHMMM!!!! Maybe Marino should have sucked more & he would have 3 Rings,.... Im so sick of your meaningless pathetic argument ... I guess stats & records only count when the Patriots have them ...is that it ?
2- His passing records are a direct result of his pure passing talent & ability and the "GREAT" success & league respect the Dolphins franchise has...& because of Marino's great ability & league threat throwing the ball dippo...the Dolphins are the "Most Winningess team in History" ...so how the fvck does that help your pathetic meaningless argument...you sound like a god damn idiot....
3- If Brady ever faced the defenses Marino had to weekly for 17 yrs...Brady wouldn't even be in the NFL anymore because he's not good enough to compete & his arm is pathetic...9 or less yd passing game only goes so far....After watching that pussy Brady walk off the field crying like a fvcking girl along with his pathetic head coach...you have the nerve to call Marino
4- Marino spread the ball around to over 80 fvcking WR's with TD's you dipshit...or are actually talking about how great Brady handed the ball off !!! LMAO!!! because thats a great QB stat....Marino was top 5 ranking his whole career..Brady only 1 time was top 5 and that credit all goews to Moss....not Brady hummbing the ball aimlessly in his direction letting Moss fight for it...
5- Dan has something Brady doesn't have..."Respect" from the NFL for his gretness..Brady has BB* and a legacy of the worst onfield cheating in history specificallt to help Brady...and its even documented in Congress...
Say all you want dippo's...the Patriots Cheating laughable disrespected Legacy will live forever ....Now thats embarressing...
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what excuses for Marino...every defensive coordinator & defense feared Marino's arm & focused on specifically that...something Brady never had to face....and JJ the douchbag fvcked up that whole teams focus with his dipshit ego...thats why they got beat so bad...again Marino doesn't play defense....
you have the fvcking nerve to blame the defense that held the NFC Champions to "ONLY" 10 points for 59:00....but refuse to put anything on Brady for not having any mobility to avoid any pressure...or score more than 7 pts all game with all those weapons & history scoring offence against the 17th defense averaging giving up 21 PPG
That whole "Brady doesn't have respect from the league" is all made up in your pin sized brain.. When you talk about the past you sound like that 'glory days' song.. players are faster, stronger etc.. today.. that's just another one of your excuses for Dan.. you're an excuse making machine. I've never seen anyone spew out more useless garbage as consistently as you do.
You did get one thing right, if Marino handed the ball to an RB once in awhile, he might have got a ring. Instead he got passing records.. too bad you can't wear those on your fingers and you end up with people calling every choker to come down the road as "this generations Dan Marino". He threw to so many WRs because his career lasted so long.. he's like the Cal Ripken of football.. should have hung up the cleats sooner so the rebuilding process could have started earlier.
You did get one thing right, if Marino handed the ball to an RB once in awhile, he might have got a ring. Instead he got passing records.. too bad you can't wear those on your fingers and you end up with people calling every choker to come down the road as "this generations Dan Marino". He threw to so many WRs because his career lasted so long.. he's like the Cal Ripken of football.. should have hung up the cleats sooner so the rebuilding process could have started earlier.
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1- Tom Brady himself has said after winning 3 SB's..."If anyone in the NFL doesn't get the respect it deserves it's the NE Patriots"....now were exactly do you think he got that from? reading D22's posts on Patriot Planet !!!!!...wake up !!!!..and that feeling comes from the NFL players & coaches etc...not the Bob Kraft media that washes his balls...
2- Not at all...all the differant era's are all equal in their own sense...you can say the players are faster & stronger today....but every team today has players that are faster & stronger as in the past every team had players also of equal caliber to each other...there is no point here & the argument is rediculous...
Are you going to try & tell me that RB's like Willis McGehee & Joseph Adai and ronnie Brown who ran circles around the Patriots last year are better than Jim Brown & OJ Simpson & Earl Cambell and the 2007 Patriot defense easily could have stopped them because they are faster & stronger ?...WoW!!!
if so ...you should smash your head against the wall..there something loose in there...Maybe you also think that schmucks like Kyle Boller & AJ Feeley who both had great games against the Patriots defense last yr... but no fvcking way those old timers like Montanna, Marino & Kelly would ever look that good in todays era ....
3- Do you consider BB* stealing opponants signals for 7 years for Brady and haveing access to them every game bullshit garbage ?
Do you think me posting facts such as Brady only ranking top 5 in his whole career once and ranked 9th or worst 4 of his nforst 6 season insignificant?
Do you think if someone is being considered the greatest QB in History he should at least have even 1 single passing reord or at least even place top 5 ... like 23 other active QB's h played with do ? Why is that garbage...its all true...I could go on..but you get it...
Akrobatik
Oh crikey!
Any QB that won a SB > Marino
You're a know nothing douche. :thwak:
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Hey D22, there's a new Hooters opening up on Route 1 in Saugas. Will Dan Marino be there to sell some wings? ROFL
He got the passing records when he got better WRs ding dong.. and he also won every game that season.
Love how you bring up Kyle Boller, but will ignore that Brady won vs. co-MVP QBs in the playoffs.. pretend he's never played Peyton Manning or Donavan McNabb (who some consider pretty good). You live in a dream world where passing records are great and championships are overrated.
Your quote is about "the NE Patriots" not getting respect, not Tom Brady.. nice reach there. The league respects Brady, you just don't notice because your head is up your ass.
I never said Jim Brown wasn't great in his day, but he wore a leather helmet and he didn't have to play against todays defenders. You're the one living in the past, not me. Todays players will be tomorrows heros.. LT and Brian Westbrook will be tomorrows OJ and Earl Campbell.. and Peyton Manning will be Joe Namath (one hit wonder)
BTW, you shouldn't really put great QBs like Kelly and Elway in the same sentence as the choker Marino.. I know Kelly never won a SB, but at least he got his kicker close enough to have a shot.
Love how you bring up Kyle Boller, but will ignore that Brady won vs. co-MVP QBs in the playoffs.. pretend he's never played Peyton Manning or Donavan McNabb (who some consider pretty good). You live in a dream world where passing records are great and championships are overrated.
Your quote is about "the NE Patriots" not getting respect, not Tom Brady.. nice reach there. The league respects Brady, you just don't notice because your head is up your ass.
I never said Jim Brown wasn't great in his day, but he wore a leather helmet and he didn't have to play against todays defenders. You're the one living in the past, not me. Todays players will be tomorrows heros.. LT and Brian Westbrook will be tomorrows OJ and Earl Campbell.. and Peyton Manning will be Joe Namath (one hit wonder)
BTW, you shouldn't really put great QBs like Kelly and Elway in the same sentence as the choker Marino.. I know Kelly never won a SB, but at least he got his kicker close enough to have a shot.
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We played as if we didn't have a kicker last season. You all whined we were running up the score and said we should kick fieldgoals.
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