With the 4th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft

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I looked for another thread but couldn't find one...That really fit
I really like this young mans break down of top DT's coming out

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Thanks posting that. It's certainly a position of need for the Patriots and there are others that should be around in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
The DE/Edge group is just as rich in this draft, even a little richer.
 
3. Vrabel to Senior Bowl: Vrabel plans to be at Senior Bowl practices in Mobile, Alabama, this week -- giving him a chance to evaluate and meet prospects in one of his first official events as Patriots coach.

Asked what he might view as a top theme for the Patriots at the Senior Bowl, ESPN NFL draft analyst Field Yates highlighted current pressing needs at offensive tackle, wide receiver and pass rusher, and what Vrabel, executive vice president of player personnel Eliot Wolf and Co. can expect to see in Mobile:

  • OT: "Several players to keep an eye on -- Oregon's Josh Conerly Jr., Missouri's Armand Membou (who may wind up as an NFL guard but was a right tackle last season), Arizona's Jonah Savaiinaea (again, could be an NFL guard), Minnesota's Aireontae Ersery, West Virginia's Wyatt Milum and more. This class does not have the same star power at offensive tackle as last year's did, but I do believe the depth is better in the first three rounds."
  • WR: "My highest-graded players that are expected to participate are Stanford's Elic Ayomanor, Miami's Xavier Restrepo, TCU's Jack Bech and Utah State's Jalen Royals. Ayomanor will land highest in my overall rankings, combining excellent size and downfield separation ability."
  • Edge: "The entire NFL will benefit from what is a very deep class this year, especially compared to last year. The names at the top of my big board that are expected to participate are Marshall's Mike Green, Texas A&M's Shemar Stewart and Texas A&M's Nic Scourton. But to reiterate -- there will be players with pass rushing juice that find their way closer to pick 75-100 range."
  • Extra point: "One of the prevailing themes of this year's draft is depth at running back, defensive tackle and tight end. It's almost like a 2-for-1 special this year, as many believe this is the deepest draft in years at all three spots. Very good players will be available Day 3."
4. Draft scenarios: ESPN senior NFL draft analyst Mel Kiper's first mock draft, and accompanying "SportsCenter Special," sets the table for a scenario the Patriots might ultimately consider with the fourth pick in the draft.

If two quarterbacks are selected within the first three picks and Penn State linebacker Abdul Carter is available, do they pounce?

ESPN draft analyst Matt Miller compared Carter to Cowboys linebacker Micah Parsons. Notably, Kiper didn't have the first offensive linemen off the board until the 10th and 11th picks, and that is among the top needs for New England.

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I'm still at Carter #4, With Mason Graham If Carters gone.(If Hunter was available would give me pause, He alongside Gonzo could be special)
Still games are won in the trenches Carter/Graham could change field position regularly.
I'de still be open to a trade down for the right price but not down far <10
 
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East West game this Thursday on NFLN. One player I'll be interested in watching is Hollin Pierce OT from Rutgers. He's 6-8 344 and has long arms and has quick feet.
He probably be a 4th or 5th round pick and would need a year as a backup.
 
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chevss454 said:
Are people in agreement that the Pats should draft Carter at #4 if they don't get a great offer to trade back a few spots?
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Yes, this works for me.

The thing about QBs is you never know whether a first rounder is going to be a bust (this happens often - JaMarcus PurpleDrank Russell is the exemplar in this category). And conversely, middle and late round QBs can shine (I'll avoid using Brady here and offer up Johnny Unitas instead).

However, it is the case that many starting QBs in the NFL are taken in the first round, so I fully expect a QB or two in the first three picks, which along with Travis Hunter means that Carter could slide to 4th. If he's there, I think it's as much a sure thing as can be hoped.
 
chevss454 said:
Are people in agreement that the Pats should draft Carter at #4 if they don't get a great offer to trade back a few spots?
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Just my opinion, but if Hunter and Carter are already gone by the 4th pick, trade back and get the best OT available. There will definitely be a team who is desperate for a QB and will give up several picks to get either Sanders or Ward (whichever is still available).
 
I don’t get the infatuation with hunter being a two way player.
To me it’s just more opportunity for him to get injured, and less opportunity to refine his craft on either end. Less time on the mental prep on each end as well.
I don’t think he’s worth a top 5 pick. I don’t see a LT worth a top five pick.
At this point I want a pass rusher, or trade back to the last third of the first. There are good LTs who will be available there, and we can get a bunch of extra picks in the mid rounds. And there are gonna be some good RBs there in the third round this year.

It hurts but I don’t see a legit number one WR being available in the draft or FA. I don’t see Higgens as a true number one. And he may not even available.
 
rivshark86 said:
I don’t get the infatuation with hunter being a two way player.
To me it’s just more opportunity for him to get injured, and less opportunity to refine his craft on either end. Less time on the mental prep on each end as well.
I don’t think he’s worth a top 5 pick. I don’t see a LT worth a top five pick.
At this point I want a pass rusher, or trade back to the last third of the first. There are good LTs who will be available there, and we can get a bunch of extra picks in the mid rounds. And there are gonna be some good RBs there in the third round this year.

It hurts but I don’t see a legit number one WR being available in the draft or FA. I don’t see Higgens as a true number one. And he may not even available.
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I agree with all of this, and I'll add that I'm not sure Carter or Graham are worth top 5, either. If Carter was 10# heavier, sure. But TBH 'm not sure I even buy him at 252. I'd be interested in trading back to 8-12 and taking Campbell or Banks, and I could see trading back as far as 20 and stockpiling picks (a couple this year, some in future) and taking LT Ersery, WRs Elbuka or Burden, or a personal favorite, LT Simmons (who could probably be had later).

The strength of this draft isn't in the top 5, it's in the 10-20 range and in especially in rounds 2-4. But a draft like that doesn't get you a WR1 or a plug and play stud LT.

I've started to think that the Patriots best case scenario is that only one QB goes in the top 3, someone a ways down has fallen in love with the other one, and they're concerned that Jax or Vegas will take him. But unless the Panthers are giving up on their puppy, the only other likely suitor is...the Jets, and they would never. I don't see Pittsburgh coming all the way up from 21.

It's an ugly situation ever since week 18, but the draft always surprises.
 
Right now, we, including me are trying to figure out who we should take or not take at 4. Should we trade down, if so how far. It's all fun exercises.
But, Free Agency will have a lot to do with what we do with the draft. Do we sign our future OLT, do we sign a WR1, maybe DL or Edge?
I have several players that I want to take with 4 or a little later. There are several players that I don't want at 4 or a little later.
After FA, I can start zeroing in on 1 or 2.
 
ParanoidPatriot said:
Right now, we, including me are trying to figure out who we should take or not take at 4. Should we trade down, if so how far. It's all fun exercises.
But, Free Agency will have a lot to do with what we do with the draft. Do we sign our future OLT, do we sign a WR1, maybe DL or Edge?
I have several players that I want to take with 4 or a little later. There are several players that I don't want at 4 or a little later.
After FA, I can start zeroing in on 1 or 2.
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I can see grabbing 1-2, maybe 3 guys who are top of the FA class at their position. But mostly I want demonstrated competent NFL starters all over the place. I want this to be a 2001 FA period, with just a splash of star power. Give me Pleasant, Phifer, and Cox's all over the board. Let's go into the draft with flexibility and confidence, and into training camp with both stability and competition. If there's a star you really want, be willing to trade for him. I'm looking at you, Jeff Simmons and DK Metcalf or AJ Brown.

We can rebuild them. We have the technology, the picks and the cap room. [/Bionic Man]
 
Flagg the Wanderer said:
I can see grabbing 1-2, maybe 3 guys who are top of the FA class at their position. But mostly I want demonstrated competent NFL starters all over the place. I want this to be a 2001 FA period, with just a splash of star power. Give me Pleasant, Phifer, and Cox's all over the board. Let's go into the draft with flexibility and confidence, and into training camp with both stability and competition. If there's a star you really want, be willing to trade for him. I'm looking at you, Jeff Simmons and DK Metcalf or AJ Brown.

We can rebuild them. We have the technology, the picks and the cap room. [/Bionic Man]
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This is my feeling as well, not so much about hitting homeruns, but just getting one base.....raising the floor to NFL average would be a big step for this team. Washington made a big leap by doing just that, and by staying healthy which isn't always the case with FAs, and they they were lifted by Daniel's play.

There is a roadmap there, it isn't easy, but it is there. Get professionals that fit the scheme in the building, draft for impact not need.

Wolf's Green Bay model of draft and develop can work, but we aren't at a level where that can work yet, 1st we need to lift the floor.
 
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