Women and Men - Equally Creative?

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Women are brilliant Homo sapiens and masters in psychological warfare. If you were once married or is married, you will understand what I mean. 🤣
 
imapig said:
Women are brilliant Homo sapiens and masters in psychological warfare. If you were once married or is married, you will understand what I mean. 🤣
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I was married a long time ago, you know the story.

Disaster doesn't even cut it.

However, I find nothing gender specific in the psychological warfare department.

A tendency to feel the need to say things like, men are this or women are that, very much does a disservice to both.

We are all beautifully unique, individual human beings. Not a single one of us are exactly the same.

I hold a deep respect and admiration and love for many of the women who are in my life to this day.

Not all of them to be certain. :)

At least from the view from my stump, men and women have different challenges in life.
 
John Locke said:
I was married a long time ago, you know the story.

Disaster doesn't even cut it.

However, I find nothing gender specific in the psychological warfare department.

A tendency to feel the need to say things like, men are this or women are that, very much does a disservice to both.

We are all beautifully unique, individual human beings. Not a single one of us are exactly the same.

I hold a deep respect and admiration and love for many of the women who are in my life to this day.

Not all of them to be certain. :)

At least from the view from my stump, men and women have different challenges in life.
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Dude...that sounds like dumb shit some b!tch would say before I shut her whore mouth and make her get me a sammich.
 
Flagg the Wanderer said:
Dude...that sounds like dumb shit some b!tch would say before I shut her whore mouth and make her get me a sammich.
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How you got enough sex for like 32 kids is beyond me.

What am I talking about?

You guys must be rocking this stuff.

Me in the infernal and eternal "Friend Zone" almost always.

😅

I've got plenty of cash.

Teach me, please.

:)
 
I do a fair amount of woodworking, but I tend to do decorative/artistic stuff more than, say, furniture, and I like it very much when
I come up with an idea so that the project is mine and not a copy of something. In short, when I get a creative idea and it works
out well. I can draw, paint, carve and cut with a lot of detail and sometimes I can get a bit lost in the process of making something
unique just to see if I can create something that I can see in my mind, or somebody else thought of and challenged me to make it
real.

For instance, I followed a set of plans and made a Christmas display piece of a Polar bear (about 9 inches long) walking on ice
carrying a saddle bag loaded with an elf, a Christmas tree and various gifts and toys. It was fairly difficult and it came out nice, but
I started thinking that I wanted to do my own version to add to it. Maybe do a collection of an offbeat kind of Christmas delivery
if I got around to it. And it kept rattling around in my head. What did I see in my head?

So, I've been working on a stagecoach sleigh driven by a weird elf being towed by a big Yeti. Don't ask me why, because I don't
really know. I had no plans to work from and that made it more interesting because it was harder. I'll post a pic when it's done, but it's been a fun project
and my overall skill level gets better because I pushed myself in a different direction. My Wife loves Christmas and that was part of the motivation. And I wanted
to top the first one which some professional came up with and classified as "advanced". Am I capable of doing that? I think so, but we'll see
when it's done.

The point of all of this is that I definitely have a creative side and like using it because it's one of the things I've discovered that I can both do and
get something out of it. But, sometimes people will get a little weirded out by that as if it is not something a straight male should be doing. Which doesn't
bother me much at all, but I do notice it when it occurs. Both females and males can get a little uncomfortable and tell me, in their own way, they don't get
it. And they don't have to.

For instance, my Brother in Law is a construction worker, who sort of enjoys giving me a good-natured-but-edgy hard time. That's how he rolls. His usual
shtick is along the lines that real men don't waste time doing arty stuff and I should buy some guns or something. Anyhow, I had made several handmade Christmas
gifts for my Wife's Sisters including a wooden, dimensional sunflower wreath for BiL's Wife and everybody was impressed at how it came out. Sunflowers are
her motif/thing and I knew she would love it.

Anyhow, he later sent me a series of texts telling me how great it was and I think it was because he felt guilty that he gives me shit and I made something
that beautiful for his wife. And it clearly involved a fair bit of effort. Now, I'm a reasonably normal guy who likes beer football and a ton of other stereotypical
guy stuff, but I don't find it a major problem do do stuff that involves flowers. Or Elves. Masculine and Feminine isn't really part of my thought process. I
just like seeing what it is that I can do, because sometimes, if I'm not careful, I might surprise myself.
 
Hawg73 said:
I do a fair amount of woodworking, but I tend to do decorative/artistic stuff more than, say, furniture, and I like it very much when
I come up with an idea so that the project is mine and not a copy of something. In short, when I get a creative idea and it works
out well. I can draw, paint, carve and cut with a lot of detail and sometimes I can get a bit lost in the process of making something
unique just to see if I can create something that I can see in my mind, or somebody else thought of and challenged me to make it
real.

For instance, I followed a set of plans and made a Christmas display piece of a Polar bear (about 9 inches long) walking on ice
carrying a saddle bag loaded with an elf, a Christmas tree and various gifts and toys. It was fairly difficult and it came out nice, but
I started thinking that I wanted to do my own version to add to it. Maybe do a collection of an offbeat kind of Christmas delivery
if I got around to it. And it kept rattling around in my head. What did I see in my head?

So, I've been working on a stagecoach sleigh driven by a weird elf being towed by a big Yeti. Don't ask me why, because I don't
really know. I had no plans to work from and that made it more interesting because it was harder. I'll post a pic when it's done, but it's been a fun project
and my overall skill level gets better because I pushed myself in a different direction. My Wife loves Christmas and that was part of the motivation. And I wanted
to top the first one which some professional came up with and classified as "advanced". Am I capable of doing that? I think so, but we'll see
when it's done.

The point of all of this is that I definitely have a creative side and like using it because it's one of the things I've discovered that I can both do and
get something out of it. But, sometimes people will get a little weirded out by that as if it is not something a straight male should be doing. Which doesn't
bother me much at all, but I do notice it when it occurs. Both females and males can get a little uncomfortable and tell me, in their own way, they don't get
it. And they don't have to.

For instance, my Brother in Law is a construction worker, who sort of enjoys giving me a good-natured-but-edgy hard time. That's how he rolls. His usual
shtick is along the lines that real men don't waste time doing arty stuff and I should buy some guns or something. Anyhow, I had made several handmade Christmas
gifts for my Wife's Sisters including a wooden, dimensional sunflower wreath for BiL's Wife and everybody was impressed at how it came out. Sunflowers are
her motif/thing and I knew she would love it.

Anyhow, he later sent me a series of texts telling me how great it was and I think it was because he felt guilty that he gives me shit and I made something
that beautiful for his wife. And it clearly involved a fair bit of effort. Now, I'm a reasonably normal guy who likes beer football and a ton of other stereotypical
guy stuff, but I don't find it a major problem do do stuff that involves flowers. Or Elves. Masculine and Feminine isn't really part of my thought process. I
just like seeing what it is that I can do, because sometimes, if I'm not careful, I might surprise myself.
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You can’t fault a man that loves to play with his wood.
 
Hawg73 said:
I do a fair amount of woodworking, but I tend to do decorative/artistic stuff more than, say, furniture, and I like it very much when
I come up with an idea so that the project is mine and not a copy of something. In short, when I get a creative idea and it works
out well. I can draw, paint, carve and cut with a lot of detail and sometimes I can get a bit lost in the process of making something
unique just to see if I can create something that I can see in my mind, or somebody else thought of and challenged me to make it
real.

For instance, I followed a set of plans and made a Christmas display piece of a Polar bear (about 9 inches long) walking on ice
carrying a saddle bag loaded with an elf, a Christmas tree and various gifts and toys. It was fairly difficult and it came out nice, but
I started thinking that I wanted to do my own version to add to it. Maybe do a collection of an offbeat kind of Christmas delivery
if I got around to it. And it kept rattling around in my head. What did I see in my head?

So, I've been working on a stagecoach sleigh driven by a weird elf being towed by a big Yeti. Don't ask me why, because I don't
really know. I had no plans to work from and that made it more interesting because it was harder. I'll post a pic when it's done, but it's been a fun project
and my overall skill level gets better because I pushed myself in a different direction. My Wife loves Christmas and that was part of the motivation. And I wanted
to top the first one which some professional came up with and classified as "advanced". Am I capable of doing that? I think so, but we'll see
when it's done.

The point of all of this is that I definitely have a creative side and like using it because it's one of the things I've discovered that I can both do and
get something out of it. But, sometimes people will get a little weirded out by that as if it is not something a straight male should be doing. Which doesn't
bother me much at all, but I do notice it when it occurs. Both females and males can get a little uncomfortable and tell me, in their own way, they don't get
it. And they don't have to.

For instance, my Brother in Law is a construction worker, who sort of enjoys giving me a good-natured-but-edgy hard time. That's how he rolls. His usual
shtick is along the lines that real men don't waste time doing arty stuff and I should buy some guns or something. Anyhow, I had made several handmade Christmas
gifts for my Wife's Sisters including a wooden, dimensional sunflower wreath for BiL's Wife and everybody was impressed at how it came out. Sunflowers are
her motif/thing and I knew she would love it.

Anyhow, he later sent me a series of texts telling me how great it was and I think it was because he felt guilty that he gives me shit and I made something
that beautiful for his wife. And it clearly involved a fair bit of effort. Now, I'm a reasonably normal guy who likes beer football and a ton of other stereotypical
guy stuff, but I don't find it a major problem do do stuff that involves flowers. Or Elves. Masculine and Feminine isn't really part of my thought process. I
just like seeing what it is that I can do, because sometimes, if I'm not careful, I might surprise myself.
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Thanks for posting that, Hawg. A fine addition to the thread, you poofter. :biggrin:
 
Hawg73 said:
I do a fair amount of woodworking, but I tend to do decorative/artistic stuff more than, say, furniture, and I like it very much when
I come up with an idea so that the project is mine and not a copy of something. In short, when I get a creative idea and it works
out well. I can draw, paint, carve and cut with a lot of detail and sometimes I can get a bit lost in the process of making something
unique just to see if I can create something that I can see in my mind, or somebody else thought of and challenged me to make it
real.

For instance, I followed a set of plans and made a Christmas display piece of a Polar bear (about 9 inches long) walking on ice
carrying a saddle bag loaded with an elf, a Christmas tree and various gifts and toys. It was fairly difficult and it came out nice, but
I started thinking that I wanted to do my own version to add to it. Maybe do a collection of an offbeat kind of Christmas delivery
if I got around to it. And it kept rattling around in my head. What did I see in my head?

So, I've been working on a stagecoach sleigh driven by a weird elf being towed by a big Yeti. Don't ask me why, because I don't
really know. I had no plans to work from and that made it more interesting because it was harder. I'll post a pic when it's done, but it's been a fun project
and my overall skill level gets better because I pushed myself in a different direction. My Wife loves Christmas and that was part of the motivation. And I wanted
to top the first one which some professional came up with and classified as "advanced". Am I capable of doing that? I think so, but we'll see
when it's done.

The point of all of this is that I definitely have a creative side and like using it because it's one of the things I've discovered that I can both do and
get something out of it. But, sometimes people will get a little weirded out by that as if it is not something a straight male should be doing. Which doesn't
bother me much at all, but I do notice it when it occurs. Both females and males can get a little uncomfortable and tell me, in their own way, they don't get
it. And they don't have to.

For instance, my Brother in Law is a construction worker, who sort of enjoys giving me a good-natured-but-edgy hard time. That's how he rolls. His usual
shtick is along the lines that real men don't waste time doing arty stuff and I should buy some guns or something. Anyhow, I had made several handmade Christmas
gifts for my Wife's Sisters including a wooden, dimensional sunflower wreath for BiL's Wife and everybody was impressed at how it came out. Sunflowers are
her motif/thing and I knew she would love it.

Anyhow, he later sent me a series of texts telling me how great it was and I think it was because he felt guilty that he gives me shit and I made something
that beautiful for his wife. And it clearly involved a fair bit of effort. Now, I'm a reasonably normal guy who likes beer football and a ton of other stereotypical
guy stuff, but I don't find it a major problem do do stuff that involves flowers. Or Elves. Masculine and Feminine isn't really part of my thought process. I
just like seeing what it is that I can do, because sometimes, if I'm not careful, I might surprise myself.
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Beautiful and perfect.

You just nailed it.
 
Really a small thought we are individuals. I imagine that women and men are creative in their fashion. I imagine their creativity as different and thus not equal. Regardless as to how you may view creation, I just see both genders as simply ESSENTAL complimentary components to the plan, whosever's plan it may be.
 
BostonTim said:
Really a small thought we are individuals. I imagine that women and men are creative in their fashion. I imagine their creativity as different and thus not equal. Regardless as to how you may view creation, I just see both genders as simply ESSENTAL complimentary components to the plan, whosever's plan it mayfists.
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Yes, completely agree.

That's what I was getting long-winded about at 3 am in my post above.
 
I just thought of a category I left of the list of visual arts in the OP - animation.

The pioneers include Walt Disney, Chuck Jones (Looney Tunes), Hanna and Barbera. Don Bluth was an animator at Disney that left to start his own company, and he produced such gems as An American Tail and The Secret Of NIMH.

Almost all of the notable animated feature length films have been conceived and directed by men. Some of the past posts in this thread mentioned lack of opportunity and bias toward males as a huge factor in the lack of contributions in creative fields by women. This is true of animation for sure - Walt Disney had a company policy that women could not be hired as animators.

I think that with the success of films such as Shrek and Frozen, which had women as co-directors, we'll start to see more and more successful animation projects directed by women, and the opening up of the "boys-club" aspect of animated filmmaking.
 
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