Probably like most folks, I'm never impressed by the games themselves and only sometimes by the individual performances in them, mainly because the schemes are so vanilla (and the booth "coverage" sucks). Still, it can be interesting to catch a glimpse of players that one hasn't had much chance to see during the regular season. The real attraction for me is the practice observations leading up to the game that are published online daily. In addition to the notes from the professional observers like McShay and Bunting, there are reports from a raft of bloggers from draft sites, reports that are often more regular and inclusive of players who are not yet on the radar of the guys like McShay, but no less insightful and accurate. These freelance guys also seem to report a lot more on player interviews and NFL team contacts.
One of the most interesting aspects, for me, of reading these daily reports is being able to follow the day-to-day progress of players - e.g., the relatively unknown OL who gets soundly beaten by high-profile rushers on Tuesday, asks for coaching points, works on them, and is stoning those same guys by Friday. Just as interesting is noting those high-profile prospects who, being thrown into the mix with new teammates and coaches, just don't step up as expected or expose serious flaws in their game/technique.
Anyway, there's tons of meaty pre-draft info to be gleaned from these practice observations and usually way more sources than one person can find and keep up with. So, the purpose of this thread, as part of our collective work in evaluating potential Pats draft picks (and UDFA sleepers) is to serve as a collection point for links and notes for those who are interested.
So here's the schedule of the games and the info I have so far (there are some blanks to fill). Practices for the first one start this coming Monday.
FRI, Jan 11th
2nd annual Casino Del Sol All-Star Game (Stars v. Stripes) - Kino Stadium, Tuscon AZ - ESPN, 7:00pm
- I didn't find a lot of practice notes from this game last year, but there were some and there may be more this time around.
- Haven't found player rosters yet (the Casino Del Sol website is extremely uninformative, except about the casino itself), but Kansas QB Dayne Crist (remember him from Notre Dame?) is apparently participating.
- Coaches: Dick Tomey (Hawaii, Arizona, San Jose State), and ????
- One of three opportunities for 3rd-tier players - those who didn't receive invites to the Senior Bowl or Shrine Game - to showcase their game for scouts. Can be a source for some decent UDFAs/sleepers, though, and sometimes such a low-ball game can reveal a guy who stands out way above the ambient competition and turns into a sleeper pick.
- According to their own publicity release, 61 players from last year's game got into an NFL training camp and six more ended up being drafted.
Sat, Jan 19th (TWO games) - practices start Monday the 14th
Inaugural Raycom All-Star Classic (also Stars v. Stripes) - Cramton Bowl, Montgomery AL - CBS, 2:00pm CST
- This is a reboot of the old Blue-Grey All-Star Game that hasn't been produced since they lost corporate sponsorship in 2003.
- Rosters incomplete at the moment.
- Aside from the coaches (Jim Bates and Dan Reeves), so far the only name of note (for me) in this contest is Kenny Tate of Maryland. A January or two ago, Tate was a hot name among strong safeties coming off an outstanding sophomore season and was being projected as a potential 1st rounder if he came out after his Junior year. However, during his junior year, he was converted to OLB (6'4"/230+), didn't perform all that well and didn't come out. He continued at LB as a senior and is now, apparently, a draft afterthought.
EAST-WEST SHRINE GAME (Tropicana Field, St. Pete FL) - NFL Network, 4:00pm EST
- Sometimes considered the 2nd-tier game to the Senior Bowl, but probably just as many participants from this game have stuck on an NFL roster and ended up having great careers as those from the Senior Bowl.
- The Pats have traditionally scouted these rosters very thoroughly. Brandon Bolden, Justin Francis, Zusevics, Vollmer, Hoyer, Wendell, BGE, Guyton, Donald Thomas, Ninkovich, Mankins, Kaczur, Welker and several other guys who've been on the Pats roster came out of the Shrine Game rather than the Senior Bowl.
- 2013 rosters posted here: http://www.shrinegame.com/Teams.aspx
- 2013 Coaches: Jerry Glanville and Leeman Bennett
Jan 26th
SENIOR BOWL (Ladd-Peebles Stadium, Mobile AL) - NFL Network 3:00pm CST
- Coached by Jim Schwartz and Dennis Allen
- Rosters incomplete at the moment
Feb 2nd
Texas v. Nation Game (aka NFLPA Game) - Eagle Stadium, Allen TX
- No roster/coaching info published yet
- In the past, has featured a couple guys who were unable to participate in the Shrine Game due to injury.
One of the most interesting aspects, for me, of reading these daily reports is being able to follow the day-to-day progress of players - e.g., the relatively unknown OL who gets soundly beaten by high-profile rushers on Tuesday, asks for coaching points, works on them, and is stoning those same guys by Friday. Just as interesting is noting those high-profile prospects who, being thrown into the mix with new teammates and coaches, just don't step up as expected or expose serious flaws in their game/technique.
Anyway, there's tons of meaty pre-draft info to be gleaned from these practice observations and usually way more sources than one person can find and keep up with. So, the purpose of this thread, as part of our collective work in evaluating potential Pats draft picks (and UDFA sleepers) is to serve as a collection point for links and notes for those who are interested.
So here's the schedule of the games and the info I have so far (there are some blanks to fill). Practices for the first one start this coming Monday.
FRI, Jan 11th
2nd annual Casino Del Sol All-Star Game (Stars v. Stripes) - Kino Stadium, Tuscon AZ - ESPN, 7:00pm
- I didn't find a lot of practice notes from this game last year, but there were some and there may be more this time around.
- Haven't found player rosters yet (the Casino Del Sol website is extremely uninformative, except about the casino itself), but Kansas QB Dayne Crist (remember him from Notre Dame?) is apparently participating.
- Coaches: Dick Tomey (Hawaii, Arizona, San Jose State), and ????
- One of three opportunities for 3rd-tier players - those who didn't receive invites to the Senior Bowl or Shrine Game - to showcase their game for scouts. Can be a source for some decent UDFAs/sleepers, though, and sometimes such a low-ball game can reveal a guy who stands out way above the ambient competition and turns into a sleeper pick.
- According to their own publicity release, 61 players from last year's game got into an NFL training camp and six more ended up being drafted.
Sat, Jan 19th (TWO games) - practices start Monday the 14th
Inaugural Raycom All-Star Classic (also Stars v. Stripes) - Cramton Bowl, Montgomery AL - CBS, 2:00pm CST
- This is a reboot of the old Blue-Grey All-Star Game that hasn't been produced since they lost corporate sponsorship in 2003.
- Rosters incomplete at the moment.
- Aside from the coaches (Jim Bates and Dan Reeves), so far the only name of note (for me) in this contest is Kenny Tate of Maryland. A January or two ago, Tate was a hot name among strong safeties coming off an outstanding sophomore season and was being projected as a potential 1st rounder if he came out after his Junior year. However, during his junior year, he was converted to OLB (6'4"/230+), didn't perform all that well and didn't come out. He continued at LB as a senior and is now, apparently, a draft afterthought.
EAST-WEST SHRINE GAME (Tropicana Field, St. Pete FL) - NFL Network, 4:00pm EST
- Sometimes considered the 2nd-tier game to the Senior Bowl, but probably just as many participants from this game have stuck on an NFL roster and ended up having great careers as those from the Senior Bowl.
- The Pats have traditionally scouted these rosters very thoroughly. Brandon Bolden, Justin Francis, Zusevics, Vollmer, Hoyer, Wendell, BGE, Guyton, Donald Thomas, Ninkovich, Mankins, Kaczur, Welker and several other guys who've been on the Pats roster came out of the Shrine Game rather than the Senior Bowl.
- 2013 rosters posted here: http://www.shrinegame.com/Teams.aspx
- 2013 Coaches: Jerry Glanville and Leeman Bennett
Jan 26th
SENIOR BOWL (Ladd-Peebles Stadium, Mobile AL) - NFL Network 3:00pm CST
- Coached by Jim Schwartz and Dennis Allen
- Rosters incomplete at the moment
Feb 2nd
Texas v. Nation Game (aka NFLPA Game) - Eagle Stadium, Allen TX
- No roster/coaching info published yet
- In the past, has featured a couple guys who were unable to participate in the Shrine Game due to injury.