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Week 3 Ravens vs Patriots

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Harbaugh brings his team with a suspect defense and a dangerous, but predictable offense. In order for Pats to have the best chance the offense needs to take full advantage of the suspect defense. Defensively it will have to be of containing Lamar and pushing him to be a pocket passer. We all know he is elite running the ball and being able to have the threat to run, but he is about average as a pure passer.

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The Vince Wilfork Patriots HOF Induction Thread

Thoughts about DT's in the pass rush...

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So, watching football growing up there was always a lot of talk about your top-end DTs splitting double teams. It's impressive.

I've noticed we don't see it much anymore (and least on most teams) and I finally figured out why. If this is all old news, I apologize - I was mostly totally away from digging through film and X's and O's for a long stretch, and have only started to get back to it recently.

Anyway, what I've noticed is that somewhere along the way - and let me be totally clear, it may have been before I took my decade-or-so-break and I just never noticed - the prevailing wisdom of coaching DL shifted. Someone looked at the probability of splitting (or otherwise beating) a passpro double team and realized it was sucky. Then realized that there was a prospective benefit that was lost by trying to beat the double team that outweighed the low probability of QB pressure that came with success.

Look, any decent coach has always taught DL to get their hands up to make...

Breaking down the offense

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It can be hard to see what's going on behind what we see. I thought this was one of those rare examples of "pop -NFL analysis" that really brought something useful to the table.

Phil Perry comes to Matt Cassell with questions about two particular plays from the Raiders game in terms of what's going on with play selection and ability to audible at the line:

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Warren Sharp Explains the Exploding Patriot Salary Cap Bomb Left by Ziegler/McDaniels

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1. Warren Sharp is a NFL expert who writes a 500+ page NFL betting preview book every season.

2. John Carroll college roommates Dave Ziegler and Josh McDaniels (and before that their other college roommate Nick Caserio) preceded their departures with 8-years of draft class turds but also left the gift of a massive exploding Patriot salary cap bomb that hit this season. Good riddance to the 3 idiot college roommates. These 3 stooges rode TB12’s coattails for a long time, and then left before getting too obviously exposed.

Warren Sharp explains the Patriot salary cap bomb eloquently:

Hunter Henry went from a $6.8 million cap hit in 2021 to $15 million this year.


Jonnu Smith went from a $5.6 million cap hit in 2021 to $13.7 million this year.

Matt Judon went from a $6.3 million cap hit in 2021 to $16.5 million this year.

Nelson Agholor went from a $6.9 million cap hit in 2021 to...

Cut/Waived/Released Players From Other Teams

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Some interesting players on this list:











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Patriots Cuts 2022

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Patriots releases/departures/etc.​

So far...
TE Devin Asiasi: Waived | Player profile
CB Terrance Mitchell: Released | Player profile
LB Harvey Langi: Released |...

We're on to Miami - Week 1 2022 Pregame

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So...Hill, Waddle, and Gesicki should make life interesting. Both Hill & Waddle are just 5'10", so that helps out CB matchups, since height is our biggest weakness. I wonder what Miami will do with formation to get both on the field with a TE, since both are historically best out of the slot.

MJ should see the field a lot, and JJ should be there for the majority of snaps. Phillips, Dugger should be able to account for Gesicki. Mills has been excellent, but is kind of a style mismatch vs these WRs. He'll start and play plenty, of course, but might see fewer snaps than will typically be the case. Maybe?

If we're looking at rolling out 3 & 4 safety looks, as has been discussed, I'd expect to see them vs this offense. Phillips, Duggar, and Peppers allow you to gain coverage ability without sacrificing too much toughness or beef.

Normally I'd say run a lot of stuff to fluster Tua, but with all the youth and inexperience in our LBs and DBs, and how much those elements of...

Patriots Offensive Line

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1. Mac Jones has been lights out in August when he actually has time to throw. His poor throws or INTs in training camp have been due to the crappy OLine play, which keeps breaking down and giving up sacks or QB pressures.

2. The Patriots are absolutely stacked with pass catchers across Meyers, Bourne, Agholor, Devonte Parker, Henry, and Jonnu Smith. The RB group is also stacked with Harris and Stevenson. It’s all about the OLine for the offense. The offense will live or die this year by the OLine play.

3. Now onto the OLine. It was absolutely the right decision to move Trent Brown back to left tackle. Scar the guru played Trent Brown at LT before Scar retired, and Brown was a durable, elite Superbowl-winning left tackle for the Pats in 2018.

4. Wynn needs to be traded. Take the 4th rd pick (or 3rd) and just do it. He’s injury prone, eats up almost 11M in cap space, and was mediocre in 2021. Wynn is simply too undersized to play tackle, it’s probably why he keeps...

Patriots Drafts, 2018-2022

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Disaster! It's common knowledge that these drafts were disasters.

2018:
  • Isaiah Wynn
  • Sony Michel
  • Duke Dawson
  • Ju'Whaun Bentley
  • Braxton Berrios
Assuming Wynn doesn't disappear, and Dawson continues his resurrection, that's 5 legit NFLers. But 3-5 in any case.

2019:
  • Chase Winovich
  • Damian Harris
  • Yodney Cajuste
  • Jarrett Stidham
  • Jake Bailey
Looks like Stidham will stick around the NFL for a journeyman backup career, and Winovich seems like he has a home. 5 legit NFLers.

2020:
  • Kyle Dugger
  • Josh Uche
  • Anfernee Jennings
  • Michael Onwenu
  • Justin Herron
Still early, but it looks like Dugger & Onwenu are solid, Uche & Jennings likely. If they would only play Herron at LT, he seems to be a serviceable backup. 3 to 5 NFLers.

2021:
  • Mac Jones
  • Christian Barmore
  • Rhamondre Stevenson
  • Joshuah Bledsoe
  • Tre Nixon
...and possibly Perkins and/or McGrone. 4-7 NFLers.

2022:
Still early...

Malcolm Butler Placed on IR

Towards the 53...

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...and PS, and injury stashes, and shadow roster.

A thread for roster projections, cut downs, and everyone's favorites: projected trades!

I can't remember a camp with more interesting roster questions and battles. Within position groups, and real, impactful questions about how many to keep at each position group.

Key questions beyond simple positional battles:
  • Because of Montgomery, how many combined RB & WR? In theory it could be less, but if he's a key contributor/chess piece, does it end up meaning we keep more?
  • It seems that there are a number of guys pushing the traditional ST Ninja core. Does Schooler push someone out? Do the tight positional battles squeeze out a "Teams only" guy for a guy who provides depth/high potential and can contribute on STs?
  • 3 QBs on the 53? Would Zappe and/or Hoyer make it to PS?
  • Up to 16 practice squad slots this year, and almost anyone can be on it. Plus, 2 can go from PS to game day roster each week, so it's useful to...

QB1 Mac Jones voted #85

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Mac the Knife has been voted to the Top 100 players on NFLN at #85
'Top 100 Players of 2022': Mac Jones | No. 85

James White Announces his Retirement

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Congrats to a true champion. Such an outstanding Patriot. I hope that he truly loves his retirement, and perhaps joins the coaching staff!

(Preseason) Game Thread - Game 1 Pats v. Giants

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Tomorrow night - NFL Network and with only 1 other preseason game on tap (no tv coverage of that I'm aware of), this is basically the "national game". Plenty of potential for the talking heads to go one way or the other depending on what happens.

Patriots 2022 TV schedule

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This is a little selfish to post as a new thread, but I am not going to pay $60+ a month for one of the big streaming services just to watch football any longer. It is the only live thing I watch any more.

So I am going to be more creative and selective in what I pay for (though less savory streaming options may be a tertiary option) For example, you can subscribe to Paramount + for $5 or $10 a month for CBS games.

If you have the Disney Bundle, you can watch the ESPN games. Etc.

So I am posting this here to keep track of what games are on what network.

There are some other options too if you have a family member with a full blown cable subscription as well through TV Anywhere. You just need them to create an email address for you.

Any, feel free to use the thread for streaming conversations or whatever. Hopefully next year the Ticket is blown wide open for streaming options.


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Dulfins lose draft pics, owner fined

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just got an ESPN alert. will post as soon as I get the link on my pc

Watson now suspended for 11 games and $5M fine

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Pathetic. absolutely pathetic.

No fine. The NFLPA nor Watson will appeal. Obviously.

No word from the NFL yet.

Bill Russell RIP

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Deserves its own thread.

11 Championships, 5 MVP awards.

Celtics legend.

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Jason McCourty announces his retirement.

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He wasn't a Patriot for too long but he had one of the great plays in Super Bowl history IMO.


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