2011 NFL Combine Thread

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king of kings said:
You really think BB will Waste a high second on a QB. The last pick BB wasted a good draft choice on was O'Connell in the 3rd round.
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The way GB wasted the #24 pick on Aaron Rodgers in 2005. The way San Francisco wasted a 2nd round pick on Steve Young in 1987. It took 3-4 years for either player to start. Both won SBs.

IF BB believes that Locker is the real deal and is BPA at 33, then yes. If not, then no. If he's gone before then, it's moot.
 
Lamanai said:
Cobb will be a nice WR for someone, but do you think he can play outside? I see him strictly as a slot guy at the next level.
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Deion Branch 2.0. Is Branch strictly a slot receiver? I don't think so.
 
king of kings said:
You really think BB will Waste a high second on a QB. The last pick BB wasted a good draft choice on was O'Connell in the 3rd round.
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I think it's a couple years early to draft Brady's replacement but if the right value is there it could be done. Brady is signed for 4 more years, Locker, or whoever, could be a good backup and be fully ready to take over when Brady's contract expires.
 
Some more results for the RBs:

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2011-nfl-combine-results-running-backs/

- Roy Helu: 4.42 40, 4.01 short shuttle, 6.67 3-cone, 36.5" vertical at 219#
- Mario Fannin: 4.38 40, 37.5" vertical at 231#
- Mikel Leshoure: 4.59 40, 6.82 3-cone, 38" vertical, 10'2" broad jump at 227#
- Mark Ingram: 4.62 40, 7.13 short shuttle, 31" vertical at 215#

It should also be noted that 5'6" Jacquizz Rodgers, who is considered to have as good short area quickness as any back in the draft, had a 7.31 second 3-cone.

Again, these are athletic tests, not football tests. But Roy Helu is more athletic than people imagined, and Mark Ingram less so, FWIW (possible nothing).
 
mayoclinic said:
Some more results for the RBs:

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2011-nfl-combine-results-running-backs/

- Roy Helu: 4.42 40, 4.01 short shuttle, 6.67 3-cone, 36.5" vertical at 219#
- Mario Fannin: 4.38 40, 37.5" vertical at 231#
- Mikel Leshoure: 4.59 40, 6.82 3-cone, 38" vertical, 10'2" broad jump at 227#
- Mark Ingram: 4.62 40, 7.13 short shuttle, 31" vertical at 215#

It should also be noted that 5'6" Jacquizz Rodgers, who is considered to have as good short area quickness as any back in the draft, had a 7.31 second 3-cone.

Again, these are athletic tests, not football tests. But Roy Helu is more athletic than people imagined, and Mark Ingram less so, FWIW (possible nothing).
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IIRC, a lot of the guys we've drafted in the past (at most positions) were near the top of the list in their 3-cone drills. That seems to be a pretty strong correlation.

Delone Carter, a guy I really like, had a 37" vj. One of the top 5 at the position I believe (but no 3-cone numbers released yet).
 
Did anyone else get a "he's kind of a punk" vibe from watching Titus Young today? I did, but it there wasn't really anything specific I could cite in his behavior.
 
mayoclinic said:
The way GB wasted the #24 pick on Aaron Rodgers in 2005. The way San Francisco wasted a 2nd round pick on Steve Young in 1987. It took 3-4 years for either player to start. Both won SBs.

IF BB believes that Locker is the real deal and is BPA at 33, then yes. If not, then no. If he's gone before then, it's moot.
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Tampa bay drafted steve young not the 49ers. I liked Green Bay choice of Rodgers. Brett favre Retirment Bs was just starting. If he falls in BB lap then it would be a good draft pick. I Just think we have area of need more important. Then a QB with there first 3 picks.
 
Looking at the Combine numbers posted so far, the following have the basic athleticism to be considered a NE OL candidate (compared to Light, Mankins, Koppen, Connolly, Kaczur, and Vollmer):
OT Anthony Castonzo
OT Nate Solder
OT Lee Ziemba
OT Jarriel King
OT Jah Reid (10 split pending)
OT Kyle Hix (10 split pending)
OG Mike Person
OG John Moffit (10 split pending)
OG Clint Boling (10 split pending)
OC Brandon Fusco
OC Jason Kelce
EDIT: OG Julian Vandervelde

Those pending 10 splits have very slow 40 times, which probably means their 10 split is too slow for a NE OL.
 
Some other thoughts from DT weigh ins:

- Stephen Paea weighed in at 303#, up 12 from his Senior Bowl. Combined with his 49 reps on the bench press, that should improve his stock as a run stuffing DT. KC at 21 and Pittsburgh at 31 aren't out of the question.

- Chris Neild looks like a solid 3-4 NT option. He's 6'2" 319# with a great blue collar game and work ethic.

- Nick Fairley's almost 35" arms should compensate for being a tad shorter than expected.
 
mayoclinic said:
Some more results for the WRs:

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2011-nfl-combine-results-wide-receivers/

- Jonathan Baldwin: 4.50 40, 42" vertical, 10'9" long jump, 7.07 3-cone at 6'4 3/8" and 228#
- Julio Jones: 4.39 40, 38.5" vertical, 11'7" long jump, 6.66 3-cone at 6'4" and 220#
- Torrey Smith: 4.43 40, 41" vertical, 10'6" long jump, 6.72 3-cone at 6'1" and 204#
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Julio Jones seems to be blowing up the combine. If this thing is an athletic test then he is passing that test with flying colors despite the pedestrian vertical.

A guy of his size, with that kind of body putting up those kind of numbers just doesn't happen very often. I'm not saying he is a complete WR at this point, but he has definitely helped his cause and will probably go higher than has been projected.
 
mayoclinic said:
- Stephen Paea weighed in at 303#, up 12 from his Senior Bowl. Combined with his 49 reps on the bench press, that should improve his stock as a run stuffing DT. KC at 21 and Pittsburgh at 31 aren't out of the question.
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Hard not to like a guy who can BP 225 lbs 49 more times than I can.
 
Hawg73 said:
Julio Jones seems to be blowing up the combine. If this thing is an athletic test then he is passing that test with flying colors despite the pedestrian vertical.

A guy of his size, with that kind of body putting up those kind of numbers just doesn't happen very often. I'm not saying he is a complete WR at this point, but he has definitely helped his cause and will probably go higher than has been projected.
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From Mike Freeman at NFL Draft Scout:

Jones' combine performance was one of the best in recent memory but it begs a question, an eternal combine question: Does it mean anything? Will Jones' Herculean numbers and subway train speed translate into greatness on the NFL level? The answer is unknown because so many players who performed poorly at the combine became NFL greats and players who were Combine All-Stars became NFL busts.

It's interesting what's happening with the combine phenomenon. A great performance can lead to a higher draft slot and more money but it can also lead to greater scrutiny. A sterling combine performance can be both a curse and a blessing. Or a cautionary tale.

One of the ultimate of the latter is Tom Brady who ran a tortoise-like 5.23 40-yard dash (as compared to Cam Newton who ran a 4.59). Brady has three rings and over the years a girlfriend for every millisecond over five seconds in the 40. Linebacker Mike Mamula became a combine legend in 1995 after benching 225 pounds 26 times and running a 4.56 40. He was a combine meteor who ended up as a nugget-sized bust.

So teams have to be at least a little wary of Jones' time. At Alabama, he played more like Michael Irvin than the Flash. In fact, Jones was known as much for his blocking ability as his pure speed. Jones is this year's combine star and my guess is he ends up in New England. The Patriots need some speed at wide receiver even if that speed isn't quite as blistering as the combine tries to tell us.
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/14748174/tide-wideout-latest-to-star-as-combine-conundrum

I don't think so. I doubt Jones gets past St. Louis at 14, and I doubt the Pats take him at 17 if he somehow does. But if they somehow do, I bet that "blocking ability" will have more to do with it than the Combine numbers.
 
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