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McCleon was Brady’s first Super Bowl victim. He would not be the last.
Great game plan by BB led to a great game from a Pats' fan's perspective. I watched it in the entirety yesterday with an eye to compare that Pats team to this one. BB's strategy was so obvious looking at it almost 20 years later. Tough defense and adequate, game-managed offense with conservative play calling til the very end. That D played so aggressively they were totally gassed at the end of the 3rd quarter. Without the 3 turnovers (2 ints/1 fumble recovery) the Pats wouldn't have won. That team was totally driven by the defense. It kept St. Louis from getting rhythm and gaining momentum until gassed in the 4th quarter.
I don't want to start up a firestorm here but I didn't see a single pass that 2002 Brady threw that 2020 Stidham can't also throw & I didn't see a single situation that Brady was in that Stidham couldn't handle as well. (I'm not judging Stidham based on a few college highlights and 1 preseason with the Pats; I watched every game he played at Auburn for 2 years.) (I'm also not comparing Stidham now to what Brady eventually became.)
Check out the stats of the game here:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200202030nwe.htm
Pats offense: 25 runs, 27 passes. Brady went 16-27-145 yds; those are game manager stats. I don't see any way in hell BB tanks this year with that game tattooed in his memory. That strategy can still work today with a few modifications to account for the changes in the way games are played now.
That game may have been the game that gave birth to BB's "bend but don't break" strategy.
Any professional quarterback can make the throws that Brady can, and some maybe moreso. It’s the little things - the eye manipulation, the tedious breakdown of game film to where he picks up on little tendencies he can exploit, knowing when to bail out of a play instead of trying to throw through defenders, the pocket presence, etc. That’s what we don’t know about Stidham. How many of those throws that went into the dirt last year when nobody was open would have went the other way with Stidham behind center?
I purposely said I was comparing 2002 Brady with 2020 Stidham & not 2019 Brady to Stidham. All those nuances of the position you brought up didn't apply to 2002 Brady. Those came later.
I purposely said I was comparing 2002 Brady with 2020 Stidham & not 2019 Brady to Stidham. All those nuances of the position you brought up didn't apply to 2002 Brady. Those came later.
You have not seen Stidham play a single NFL regular season game, how about he played a game and then we can talk about how he will win superbowls like Brady. There is something to a first year starter doing what Brady did in that game, because they dont, very seldom, not to mention passing was a whole lot different back then than it is now and you know that. This is not 2001, its a different game now. Its harder to win that way now and it was harder to win that way then with any ol guy. So you cannot compare Stidham to Brady in 2001 nor the game nor what you think he would do.
In fact, its probably best to stop comparing Stidham to Brady at all, because its not fair, and I know thats what people will do, but if you do that, you are setting yourself up for a bad time. Chances are very good, he will not be Brady, chances are good we might not ever see that again. Let him be Stidham and we will see what happens. He has to put in the work, he has to do the things. Its not, oh man did you see that pass in preseason, he is going to be great. I imagine the pats are going to try to ball control and playaction and hope our D can hold up.
What do you call that pump fake and freezing McCleon at the goal line, then? That’s a perfect example of tedious film review. There were also stories in the 2001 season of Brady growing by leaps and bounds re: eye movement in the pocket. Reference Milloy’s quote in America’s Game for more examples on that if you wish. He wasn’t the Brady we all know yet, but he wasn’t Mitch Trubisky either.
You have not seen Stidham play a single NFL regular season game, how about he played a game and then we can talk about how he will win superbowls like Brady. There is something to a first year starter doing what Brady did in that game, because they dont, very seldom, not to mention passing was a whole lot different back then than it is now and you know that. This is not 2001, its a different game now. Its harder to win that way now and it was harder to win that way then with any ol guy. So you cannot compare Stidham to Brady in 2001 nor the game nor what you think he would do.
In fact, its probably best to stop comparing Stidham to Brady at all, because its not fair, and I know thats what people will do, but if you do that, you are setting yourself up for a bad time. Chances are very good, he will not be Brady, chances are good we might not ever see that again. Let him be Stidham and we will see what happens. He has to put in the work, he has to do the things. Its not, oh man did you see that pass in preseason, he is going to be great. I imagine the pats are going to try to ball control and playaction and hope our D can hold up.
Originally Posted by chevss454
Great game plan by BB led to a great game from a Pats' fan's perspective. I watched it in the entirety yesterday with an eye to compare that Pats team to this one. BB's strategy was so obvious looking at it almost 20 years later. Tough defense and adequate, game-managed offense with conservative play calling til the very end. That D played so aggressively they were totally gassed at the end of the 3rd quarter. Without the 3 turnovers (2 ints/1 fumble recovery) the Pats wouldn't have won. That team was totally driven by the defense. It kept St. Louis from getting rhythm and gaining momentum until gassed in the 4th quarter.
I don't want to start up a firestorm here but I didn't see a single pass that 2002 Brady threw that 2020 Stidham can't also throw & I didn't see a single situation that Brady was in that Stidham couldn't handle as well. (I'm not judging Stidham based on a few college highlights and 1 preseason with the Pats; I watched every game he played at Auburn for 2 years.) (I'm also not comparing Stidham now to what Brady eventually became.)
Check out the stats of the game here:
https://www.pro-football-reference.c...0202030nwe.htm
Pats offense: 25 runs, 27 passes. Brady went 16-27-145 yds; those are game manager stats. I don't see any way in hell BB tanks this year with that game tattooed in his memory. That strategy can still work today with a few modifications to account for the changes in the way games are played now.
That game may have been the game that gave birth to BB's "bend but don't break" strategy.
What do you call that pump fake and freezing McCleon at the goal line, then? That’s a perfect example of tedious film review. There were also stories in the 2001 season of Brady growing by leaps and bounds re: eye movement in the pocket. Reference Milloy’s quote in America’s Game for more examples on that if you wish. He wasn’t the Brady we all know yet, but he wasn’t Mitch Trubisky either.
You have not seen Stidham play a single NFL regular season game, how about he played a game and then we can talk about how he will win superbowls like Brady. There is something to a first year starter doing what Brady did in that game, because they dont, very seldom, not to mention passing was a whole lot different back then than it is now and you know that. This is not 2001, its a different game now. Its harder to win that way now and it was harder to win that way then with any ol guy. So you cannot compare Stidham to Brady in 2001 nor the game nor what you think he would do.
In fact, its probably best to stop comparing Stidham to Brady at all, because its not fair, and I know thats what people will do, but if you do that, you are setting yourself up for a bad time. Chances are very good, he will not be Brady, chances are good we might not ever see that again. Let him be Stidham and we will see what happens. He has to put in the work, he has to do the things. Its not, oh man did you see that pass in preseason, he is going to be great. I imagine the pats are going to try to ball control and playaction and hope our D can hold up.
It's obvious that all we have with Stidham is potential - I agree with that and have no issue at all with that take.
For K: I call that basic HS coaching. I suggest you watch this video produced by the Patriots that shows Stidham in action. Football begins at the 3:00 mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoYUNiWJhVg
Or this recap of the 2017 Iron Bowl when Auburn upset #1 ranked Alabama.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELMYpo2oXtY
It's obvious that all we have with Stidham is potential - I agree with that and have no issue at all with that take. Otoh, his potential is the reason the Patriots drafted him last year and it's also why they didn't draft a QB this year or bring in a veteran. Btw, Brady was all potential entering his 2nd year, no? The fact is, Stidham has something the Patriots' scouts and coaches really like about him. You should both accept that as fact. Having watched every game he played at Auburn, I have an inkling about what it is they like. But since you both think I'm dumb as a post, I'll rely on others to do my talking for me. If you have a beef about what these authors say about him, you can take it up with them.
https://nesn.com/2020/05/patriots-mailbag-how-high-are-pats-on-jarrett-stidham-at-quarterback/
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...he-patriots-didnt-draft-a-quarterback-in-2020
https://theathletic.com/1657865/2020/03/06/jarrett-stidham-patriots-jordan-palmer/
For K: I call that basic HS coaching. I suggest you watch this video produced by the Patriots that shows Stidham in action. Football begins at the 3:00 mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoYUNiWJhVg
Or this recap of the 2017 Iron Bowl when Auburn upset #1 ranked Alabama.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELMYpo2oXtY
For Middy: "You have not seen Stidham play a single NFL regular season game, how about he played a game and then we can talk about how he will win superbowls like Brady."
You're incorrigible but ok, I'll respond to words I never said. No NFL games but I did watch every game he played for Auburn over 2 years. How many of those did you watch? Now show me where I said Stidham "will win superbowls like Brady"? You can't because I didn't.
"There is something to a first year starter doing what Brady did in that game, because they dont,..."
You mean like Brady's passing stats for 16-27-145 yds & 1 TD or do you mean no one can hand off the ball 27 times to running backs the way Brady did? BB won that game with coaching, a fierce D that caused 3 turnovers and a managed O. What I said in my original post that got your panties in a wad is that Stidham, imo, can do the very same things Brady did in that game. He had potential but he was not TFB yet. No one knew 6 SBs were ahead of him.
"This is not 2001, its a different game now. So you cannot compare Stidham to Brady in 2001 nor the game nor what you think he would do."
Let me remind you the 2000 Rams were the high flying, highly explosive "greatest show on turf". The Pats had a great defense. 3 turnovers. And a great game plan by BB on D & on O. I'm free to have my opinions just as you are. Brady was unproven but BB had an idea that he could manage the game. I have an idea that Stidham can do that, so, yes, I can compare Brady then to Stidham now. I did NOT compare Stidham to what Brady became and has done in his career. Brady is the GOAT and nothing will change that. I sure as hell can hope Stidham does well and comes close, though, and you telling me I can't have that hope, based on his potential, is asinine.
Btw, I'll let you in on a little secret - I've been told by more than 1 person inside the Pats (not media) that Stidham played almost as well as Brady in practices during preseason and continued to improve in practices throughout the season.