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If we had the NFL Refs in this game we would have won by 21 maybe more IMO..Momentum is everything the those refs did everything to kill it...
 
Pneumonic said:
I agree he played well. My point is the days of seeing Brady step up and close a win for us in a big game, have almost disappeared.

I recent years I expected Brady to march us down to close out wins in big games. I no longer feel this way. Do you?

Further, how many more years does BB need in order to field even a decent defense? He's certainly drafted enough defensive players the last 4 years. Why do they continually suck in crunch time in big games? Is it the players being drafted or is it the coaches? Or both?
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The pats scored 30 points on the road tonight....Brady played as well as I have seen him this year...he answered after the ravens took the lead, he while fighting off horrid play calls for reverses and crap and refs calling OPI's and phantom holds, so no, I do not see Brady as being the reason we lost the game tonight.
 
mooseontheloose said:
Honestly, after cooling down a bit, this defense still makes me want to ****ing puke.

While the offense is still dangerous, it simply isn't able to score at will like it used to. Having a D that crumbles in every big moment is a problem the Pats have been dealing with for years. Two SBs lost to last minute drives, same thing tonight. The Ravens didn't even have to grind it out ... boom boom boom, easy pitch and catch and they're in FG range.

Sigh.
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We scored 30 points on the road tonight....if that is not enough then not sure what to say.
 
imapig said:
If we had the NFL Refs in this game we would have won by 21 maybe more IMO..Momentum is everything the those refs did everything to kill it...
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It's possible. They saved two Baltimore TD drives. That being said, if the Pats didn't pass up easy INTs and (yet again) utilize awful playcalling at times (reverse lol), they STILL could have won by 10+ points. Despite the refs.
 
HSanders said:
Bill's gonna get fined...I can't imagine how effing pissed he must have been to lay a hand on a ref. I've never seen him like he's been all this year with the refs. And no, they aren't to blame for the loss.
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Those Refs play a HUUGE Part...BB is gonna tell Bob Kraft in private that this is the first time in his memory as a coach that the refs hurt were the decising factor..You won't ever hear him say this in public and he won't let his team off the hook or use it as a excuse,but rest assured he knows...
 
midgar8784 said:
We scored 30 points on the road tonight....if that is not enough then not sure what to say.
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Pats NEEDED points on that final drive. Or at least a much longer drive.

I'm not saying that is all on Brady, but THAT is when an elite offense needs to come alive. I'm sick and tired of watching OPPOSING teams get the ball with 2 minutes left, knowing that Brady didn't put the game out of reach and our defense is about the shit the bed.
 
mooseontheloose said:
Honestly, after cooling down a bit, this defense still makes me want to ****ing puke.

While the offense is still dangerous, it simply isn't able to score at will like it used to. Having a D that crumbles in every big moment is a problem the Pats have been dealing with for years. Two SBs lost to last minute drives, same thing tonight. The Ravens didn't even have to grind it out ... boom boom boom, easy pitch and catch and they're in FG range.

Sigh.
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They still aren't "tough" (or whatever you want to call it)enough to get yards and first downs when they HAVE to have them to close out games. Granted, even when they were, they still sometimes didn't do it (see SB 39)..but the D was clutch when they weren't (see SB 39). This is a very young inexperienced defense and they weren't good tonight...but at least now we have hopes they will get better, unlike other years when they were old/talent depleted/injured, etc.

I'm just glad that Joshie boy stopped all that nancying around tonight when Edelperson got smoked on that cutesy play early on. I'm usually about 90% against complaining about playcalls and more about blaming execution but this one was a "COME ON, MAN!!!!!" night for Josh.
 
mooseontheloose said:
Pats NEEDED points on that final drive. Or at least a much longer drive.

I'm not saying that is all on Brady, but THAT is when an elite offense needs to come alive. I'm sick and tired of watching OPPOSING teams get the ball with 2-minutes left, knowing that Brady didn't put the game out of reach and our defense is about the shit the bed.
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I am sick of teams having 30 second drives for td's and make it so our offense has to be perfect every game or we lose. We were up by 9 points....No offense is going to score on every drive, but this team has to or we lose....but thats the offenses fault? Unreal. That would be like if the defernse was holding teams to 10 points and were crying about them giving up 10 when should have got a shutout.
 
midgar8784 said:
The pats scored 30 points on the road tonight....Brady played as well as I have seen him this year...he answered after the ravens took the lead, he while fighting off horrid play calls for reverses and crap and refs calling OPI's and phantom holds, so no, I do not see Brady as being the reason we lost the game tonight.
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I'm curious, do you believe that Brady is money to march us down the field to close out wins in big games as he used to be?

Did you honestly think the Pats offense was going to make a 1st down and seal the win tonight at the end when it mattered most?
 
Pneumonic said:
I'm curious, do you believe that Brady is money to march us down the field to close out wins in big games as he used to be?

Did you honestly think the Pats offense was going to make a 1st down and seal the win tonight at the end when it mattered most?
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The pats offense scored 30 points tonight on the road....and that is who you blame for the loss? Amazing. We let the ravens throw 2 passes and they are in FG range, but the offense was to blame....you folks are unreal.
 
midgar8784 said:
I am sick of teams having 30 second drives for td's and make it so our offense has to be perfect every game or we lose. We were up by 9 points....No offense is going to score on every drive, but this team has to or we lose....but thats the offenses fault? Unreal. That would be like if the defernse was holding teams to 10 points and were crying about them giving up 10 when should have got a shutout.
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When Brady gets the ball with under 5 minutes to play, up by 2 points, do you think he says to himself: "Damn Tom, you've done great tonight! You've helped score 30 points, so win or lose you did a mighty fine job buddy!"

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Ya.

All other drives are meaningless at that point. In that moment an elite QB in a supposed elite offense is responsible for that single drive. It's unrealistic to think he will score every single time, but it is also a copout to say that failing to do so is OK.

We, BB, and TB must have known that the D was probably not up to stopping that Baltimore offense. We ALL knew that NE needed points on that drive and the offense stalled, giving Baltimore the ball with 2+ minutes and three timeouts to win the game.

And yes, Brady is extremely important to the success of this team and NE probably depends on him more than many teams do their QBs. But he is also labelled as a potential GOAT in these parts, so I don't have a problem with expecting at least a FG on that drive.
 
mooseontheloose said:
When Brady gets the ball with under 5 minutes to play, up by 2 points, do you think he says to himself: "Damn Tom, you've done great tonight! You've helped score 30 points, so win or lose you did a mighty fine job buddy!"

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Ya.

All other drives are meaningless at that point. In that moment an elite QB in a supposed elite offense is responsible for that single drive. It's unrealistic to think he will score every single time, but it is also a copout to say that failing to do so is OK.

We, BB, and TB must have known that the D was probably not up to stopping that Baltimore offense. We ALL knew that NE needed points on that drive and the offense stalled, giving Baltimore the ball with 2+ minutes and three timeouts to win the game.

And yes, Brady is extremely important to the success of this team and NE probably depends on him more than many teams do their QBs. But he is also labelled as a potential GOAT in these parts, so I don't have a problem with expecting at least a FG on that drive.
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Fine he is not the goat...I am sure other QB's are out there losing many games when they score 30 points, I am sure its common among Goat QB's. Brady should have lead that block when our run game got stopped, and he should run out and catch the pass after he throws it....Maybe we can put him at corner, he could not worse than McCourty thats for sure. There is not a team in football history that wins a superbowl by "needing" the offense to score on every drive or they lose....but thats Brady's fault..
 
mooseontheloose said:
When Brady gets the ball with under 5 minutes to play, up by 2 points, do you think he says to himself: "Damn Tom, you've done great tonight! You've helped score 30 points, so win or lose you did a mighty fine job buddy!"

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Ya.

All other drives are meaningless at that point. In that moment an elite QB in a supposed elite offense is responsible for that single drive. It's unrealistic to think he will score every single time, but it is also a copout to say that failing to do so is OK.

We, BB, and TB must have known that the D was probably not up to stopping that Baltimore offense. We ALL knew that NE needed points on that drive and the offense stalled, giving Baltimore the ball with 2+ minutes and three timeouts to win the game.

And yes, Brady is extremely important to the success of this team and NE probably depends on him more than many teams do their QBs. But he is also labelled as a potential GOAT in these parts, so I don't have a problem with expecting at least a FG on that drive.
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one of the best posts on this board in quite a while....+1
 
midgar8784 said:
The pats offense scored 30 points tonight on the road....and that is who you blame for the loss? Amazing. We let the ravens throw 2 passes and they are in FG range, but the offense was to blame....you folks are unreal.
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I agree the D sucks, majorly and has for too many freakin years now.

My question is the same .... did you honestly believe Brady was going to close the game out for us tonight?
 
Pneumonic said:
I agree the D sucks, majorly and has for too many freakin years now.

My question is the same .... did you honestly believe Brady was going to close the game out for us tonight?
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I honestly believe Brady played his ass off and if it was not for him, we get blown out, thats what I believe.....
 
Mark my words Ive seen enough that Baltimore is cooked.. They are nothing and won't be a threat in January.. I hope the Raven fans enjoy another North Title at BEST because thats all they getting...:coffee:
 
midgar8784 said:
I honestly believe Brady played his ass off and if it was not for him, we get blown out, thats what I believe.....
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You are avoiding my question, mid.

Did you honestly believe Brady was going to close the game out for us tonight?
 
I thought our D did ok,not great but ok.. There were 3 really bad series by our D,but other than that I thought they were ok...It would have helped if we had NFL refs out there instead of a couple of drunken meth addicts reffng..:coffee:
 
imapig said:
I thought our D did ok,not great but ok.. There were 3 really bad series by our D,but other than that I thought they were ok...It would have helped if we had NFL refs out there instead of a couple of drunken meth addicts reffng..:coffee:
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Your sig represents the current state and progression of NFL officiating nicely, with the middle dude being officiating as of last season, the heavy fella being officiating as of 8pm tonight, and that fugly ass pig representing officiating as of the final whistle in Baltimore.
 
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