Looking at the Patriots - 2021

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Weren't you just railing about cherry picking stats? Did you perchance pick the two stats that reflect on Brady the highest?

Team record, btw, is a poor inidcator of any one player on the team. Stats that reflect on the individual play are the stats to use if you want to, you know, compare individual players.
 
SkiptoMyLou said:
I think I would have an easier time talking to a rock.
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This is actually funny, been having a discussion elsewhere on the interwebs about the concept of all existents in the universe having consciousness. I once had a therapist undertake a very concerted effort to convince me that the rocks she kept in her office were conscious. It's a whole weird philosophical thing. That lasted 1 session. :rofl:

But I50 has me questioning my thoughts on that sometimes.

I actually like him well enough in some regards, but he does have me questioning my rejection of this concept. :)
 
To prove something you need more that the eyeball test, yes, you do. I thought you were a technical guy. You can't PROVE which of two choices is better without objective data. You can opine, believe, think, etc., but not prove.

In what field do you work?
 

LOL. Hey, not that you often have good reading comprehension but I never made that case. And I don't think anyone has even come close to saying Cam is better than Brady. I was addressing the first blood degrading manner in which you spoke to someone who had done nothing to provoke anyone.
 

There may be a good deal of history that you are unaware of here on this issue.

And if it's who I think you are referring to I hope they crawl under their table and hide and never infect anyone with their vicious poison again.

But yes, let's move on.
 
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Well, no one said Cam was better than Brady and you know it. For a decade+ you have been twisting words and deliberately misunderstanding what people say in order to provoke them. I guess you think causing discord is funny. A good goal to live by is the concept of kharma, which I like to think of as when you die, the collective conscience of the world thinks, "I'm going to miss that person," and not, "Thank God that jerk is finally gone."

Sometimes I feel badly for you, but mostly I think,"But for the grace of God go I," and I am very thankful.

I really dislike putting people on ignore, everyone has something to offer and I usually take you back off hoping you have changed, but you make it hard not to keep ignoring you.
 
spacecrime said:
I guess you think causing discord is funny. A good goal to live by is the concept of kharma, which I like to think of as when you die, the collective conscience of the world thinks, "I'm going to miss that person," and not, "Thank God that jerk is finally gone."
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When you were born,
You cried,
And the world rejoiced.
Live your life so that when you die
The world cries
And you rejoice.
 
spacecrime said:
You're missing the point. No one is comparing the career accomplishments of Cam and TB. That would be highly in Brady's favor. But to compare the stats of TB and Cam is a reasonable comparison. It is in response to all the Cam sucks comments and Brady is perfect comments. The fact is that Brady in 2019 isn't all that different from Cam in 2020.

Using an opinion (Cam is hanging on by a thread) rather than objective evidence is ignorant.
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All 2019 and 2020 prove is how drastically Bill butchered our roster. Cam had his worst season as a starter with our roster and Brady one year removed threw for 50 total Tds and won SB MVP with a much improved roster in Tampa

Instead of how debating who sucked more on our team - the Goat or a former league MVP - you should be asking how Bill let the roster go to total crap.
 
Mazz22 said:
So your thrilled Cam is our starter for the second year in a row?
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Sorry, UT. I spent 45 minutes putting this together and spent $52 on a membership to FO to do it. I think it is too revealing not to post it.
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No one said that and no one is even thinking that.
The stats Flagg posted are for a moment of time, Brady in 2019 and Cam in 2020.
Truth - those numbers aren't very different for them. Neither QB performed well.

Ok, it is what it is, so now you have to look at why there was a 6 game disparity between the team's wins for those years.

To do that you have to take a detailed look at things like the defense (yds & 1st downs & TDs & 3rd downs & points given up).
You quickly see that 2019 defense was the best D in the NFL. And the 2020 D was one of the worst Ds in the NFL ranking 26th.

Then you look at turnover margin. There you'll see the 2019 Pats enjoyed a huge advantage over the 2020 Pats, 23 iirc. Those 2019 Pats were great at gobbling up fumbles and collecting interceptions. That's almost 1.4/game & that means 1.4 more possessions for the Pats but it also means 1.4 fewer possessions for the opponent for a difference of almost 3 drives/game. I'll take that advantage every game.

These are the stats Brady put up. Compare his 2019 stats to his own career stats with no mention of Cam.
Stats are from ProFootballReference, Football Outsiders and 2 from PFF.
Tom Brady Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com (free)
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/historical-lookup-by-team/NE (I had to pay $52 to get their stats.)

QB1: Tom Brady - 2019
60.8% Completion (2nd worst of his career; worst was 2003 - 60.3%)
6.6 YPA (2nd worst of his career; worst was 2002 - 6.3 YPA)
73.1% On Target Throws - no data
20.6% Bad Throws - no data
1.9 Points Per Drive - (compare that to his 3.53 pts per drive in 2007)

Added from the sites mentioned but not cherry picked. They are what they are.
3.9 TD% - (Worst TD% of his career which averaged 5.5% with the Pats)
88 Passer Rating - (His worst since 2006, 87.9 and 4th worst of his career)
55.7 QBR - (By far the worst of his career)
1 Game winning drive - (Worst of his career)
11th offensive DVOA - (2nd Worst of his career; worst was 2003 - 14th)
79 PFF Offensive Grade - ( 2nd worst of his career; worst was 2003 - 72.3)
76 PFF Passer Grade - (Worst since 2006 and 3rd worst of his career; worst was 72.6 in 2003)

There are a lot of "Worsts" in 2019 for TB12.
These aren't very good stats and certainly they're not representative of Brady's GOAT career but that's what he was in 2019.
He was not good despite being the GOAT.
(And that's, in large part, why he's no longer here.)

If you want to argue these stats go to the sites I mentioned and Quixote their windmills all you want.
 
Mazz22 said:
All 2019 and 2020 prove is how drastically Bill butchered our roster. Cam had his worst season as a starter with our roster and Brady one year removed threw for 50 total Tds and won SB MVP with a much improved roster in Tampa

Instead of how debating who sucked more on our team - the Goat or a former league MVP - you should be asking how Bill let the roster go to total crap.
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Nope, the organization under Bill made continued efforts to keep quality veterans around to take advantage of Brady's closing window. That cost money and several years money had been pushed into the future with a sort of win-now mentality that was a bit different than when Brady was younger as he was nearing the end.

The bill always comes due. You got 2 SBs and paid for it with a down year or so. This team once again under the GOAT's keen mind and hand is on an upward trajectory, I for one am very happy about that.

I'll ask again. who would you rather run the show in Foxboro than Bill Belichick?
 
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