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Tom is gone Mazz.
Gamete Thread - Saints @ Patriots - Sun. Sept. 26 1PM (FOX)
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Mazz22
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No he's not. He is playing in Foxboro this Sunday.
PatriotInIndy
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Bolden over Taylor makes no sense to me. Bolden is great on special teams, but we definitely don't need a 31 year old Bolden taking carries and passes.
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Concerns:
In two games the defense was unable to get off the field at the end of the game with a chance to get back in it. This is probably correctable, but remains frustrating.
Offensive line - If losing one guy makes the whole unit crumble we're in trouble. More than anything this is the biggest concern. We can't run as well as I thought and we can't pass protect with any consistency. I see most of the quick short passing stuff as a result of pressure. I don't see what needs to be done, but if his isn't corrected it will be a long and difficult year.
Receivers - I am not seeing the separation that is needed, Seems like matching up one on one and a decent team can cover. This can be schemed around if the line could give everyone some time, but that's not happening.
Penalties - again, correctable, but this is not a normal issue
Special teams have been really inconsistent.
Play calling - I am not getting over two red zone carries for a special teams player in a key part of the game. We don't start slinging it to Mathew Slater because one of the receivers fumbled two weeks ago.
Positives
Mac - has been better than advertised and can be effective even with the other issues on offense. I have seen a bad throw here or there but not a wholesale shit show. If you think the picks this week were on him you need to take off your Brady glasses. He could be better in the Red Zone, but if he had one or two less rushers in his grill that would be a fairer test of where he's at.
Defense - In each game the defense has been solid for large portions of the game, which is what's keeping things competitive. It's a good unit on balance.
In two games the defense was unable to get off the field at the end of the game with a chance to get back in it. This is probably correctable, but remains frustrating.
Offensive line - If losing one guy makes the whole unit crumble we're in trouble. More than anything this is the biggest concern. We can't run as well as I thought and we can't pass protect with any consistency. I see most of the quick short passing stuff as a result of pressure. I don't see what needs to be done, but if his isn't corrected it will be a long and difficult year.
Receivers - I am not seeing the separation that is needed, Seems like matching up one on one and a decent team can cover. This can be schemed around if the line could give everyone some time, but that's not happening.
Penalties - again, correctable, but this is not a normal issue
Special teams have been really inconsistent.
Play calling - I am not getting over two red zone carries for a special teams player in a key part of the game. We don't start slinging it to Mathew Slater because one of the receivers fumbled two weeks ago.
Positives
Mac - has been better than advertised and can be effective even with the other issues on offense. I have seen a bad throw here or there but not a wholesale shit show. If you think the picks this week were on him you need to take off your Brady glasses. He could be better in the Red Zone, but if he had one or two less rushers in his grill that would be a fairer test of where he's at.
Defense - In each game the defense has been solid for large portions of the game, which is what's keeping things competitive. It's a good unit on balance.
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TyLawsPick6
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This board certainly goes quiet after a loss. And, a bad loss it was. Not because they lost, but because they should be 3-0 here, in the 2 losses they've simply made uncharacteristically bad plays at some bad times.
I am not totally convinced Jonnu Smith has ever played the sport before, because, man, he's been bad. Take away that "pick 6", and who knows what happens there in the second half because the Saints didn't do a whole lot. Kamara was kept in check pretty well I thought, certainly no hugely damaging plays, and Deonte Harris was contained pretty well. I don't know why you'd have 2 capable TEs you signed in the offseason to that kind of money and you still act you don't know how to use them.
There just seemed to be a lot of "almost" situations in the game both on O and D. That TD pass on Jon Jones stunned me. Looked like he had it all the way, and that's on top of Dugger's almost-sack.
McDaniels has been as bad as anyone on the offense who is under-performing, which brings me to OL and how much of a headscratcher a top 5 OL should be in this situation, on paper anyway, and how surprising it is that it's not a strength, helping this thing along. Huge disappointment, as is the run game. I think it's time to stop over-analyzing bringing younger players along and just go out there and attack instead of sitting back like they've been doing. Tons of talent just wasted all over the field from Agholor to Henry to JJ Taylor. It's a mystery.
Work faster, crisper, set up 1st reads easier for Mac. Get a rhythm.
On defense, they certainly didn't get much help in this game with the 2 INTs and the constant 3 and outs as it reminded me of the 2011 offense off the Lockout, unable to put a drive together and unable at times to barely get past mid field. Of course, that went on all year which was a headscratcher, yet they still somehow made it to the SB. This team won't be doing that, but it just comes off like a lack of focus to me, right on down to bizarre STs gaffes that just never happen.
Maybe Paul Perillo was right when he said if they lost to the Saints it will be because of the looming Tampa game and it won't be BB 's fault? I wonder why he said that almost as if he witnessed some talk about the Bucs last week and maybe it leaked into the locker room and into the distractions. I don't know, but they need to get over it and fast.
Regardless, even with a 1 TD difference in the 4th and a chance to do something, bot the D and O failed to do their part, and here we are 1-2. That's what is disappointing is the idea they were still in it within a score after some major gaffes. I guess this is the silver lining. Clean up the mental mistakes, play faster and see what happens. These are likely wins going away if they can improve.
I don't have much faith next week mainly because of Goodell. Even if it's close, there is no way he would allow the Pats to win this game, so I had it as a loss even before the schedule came out. Sorry to be negative about it.
I think they can be more competitive just by focusing better and executing better.
PS That coordinator on the Saints sideline lobbying for calls game is a loser. Is that Dennis Allen? What a tool. I am pretty sure his Johnnie Whinebaugh tactics got the Saints a couple of calls which didn't help.
I am not totally convinced Jonnu Smith has ever played the sport before, because, man, he's been bad. Take away that "pick 6", and who knows what happens there in the second half because the Saints didn't do a whole lot. Kamara was kept in check pretty well I thought, certainly no hugely damaging plays, and Deonte Harris was contained pretty well. I don't know why you'd have 2 capable TEs you signed in the offseason to that kind of money and you still act you don't know how to use them.
There just seemed to be a lot of "almost" situations in the game both on O and D. That TD pass on Jon Jones stunned me. Looked like he had it all the way, and that's on top of Dugger's almost-sack.
McDaniels has been as bad as anyone on the offense who is under-performing, which brings me to OL and how much of a headscratcher a top 5 OL should be in this situation, on paper anyway, and how surprising it is that it's not a strength, helping this thing along. Huge disappointment, as is the run game. I think it's time to stop over-analyzing bringing younger players along and just go out there and attack instead of sitting back like they've been doing. Tons of talent just wasted all over the field from Agholor to Henry to JJ Taylor. It's a mystery.
Work faster, crisper, set up 1st reads easier for Mac. Get a rhythm.
On defense, they certainly didn't get much help in this game with the 2 INTs and the constant 3 and outs as it reminded me of the 2011 offense off the Lockout, unable to put a drive together and unable at times to barely get past mid field. Of course, that went on all year which was a headscratcher, yet they still somehow made it to the SB. This team won't be doing that, but it just comes off like a lack of focus to me, right on down to bizarre STs gaffes that just never happen.
Maybe Paul Perillo was right when he said if they lost to the Saints it will be because of the looming Tampa game and it won't be BB 's fault? I wonder why he said that almost as if he witnessed some talk about the Bucs last week and maybe it leaked into the locker room and into the distractions. I don't know, but they need to get over it and fast.
Regardless, even with a 1 TD difference in the 4th and a chance to do something, bot the D and O failed to do their part, and here we are 1-2. That's what is disappointing is the idea they were still in it within a score after some major gaffes. I guess this is the silver lining. Clean up the mental mistakes, play faster and see what happens. These are likely wins going away if they can improve.
I don't have much faith next week mainly because of Goodell. Even if it's close, there is no way he would allow the Pats to win this game, so I had it as a loss even before the schedule came out. Sorry to be negative about it.
I think they can be more competitive just by focusing better and executing better.
PS That coordinator on the Saints sideline lobbying for calls game is a loser. Is that Dennis Allen? What a tool. I am pretty sure his Johnnie Whinebaugh tactics got the Saints a couple of calls which didn't help.
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TyLawsPick6
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What's stopped him shaping games before? He's been doing it since he was hired. It's all about money with this era's owners, dude, and Goodell has been very willing to lead the way. I don't get how this isn't known. I've been watching the sport (and the NHL and MLB) closely for 40 years and it was never like this under Rozelle and Tagliabue. Rules were clear, not written by a batch of lawyers, and refs weren't "coached" to call plays certain ways.
Even arrogant MLB has review and they get their wrong calls right. The NFL runs in the opposite direction no transparency and all but an intent to make sure the rules are nice and grey, so plays can be swayed in either direction. These aren't accidents.
Look at the SB. Goodell doesn't want dynasties. More money was to be made with Brady winning a SB with his new team in a Florida market as opposed to the Chiefs winning again, hence the gift 14 points before halftime.
Pats will need multiple INTs of Brady or a fumble in there, a Def TD and a big Special Teams play to keep it close.
Even arrogant MLB has review and they get their wrong calls right. The NFL runs in the opposite direction no transparency and all but an intent to make sure the rules are nice and grey, so plays can be swayed in either direction. These aren't accidents.
Look at the SB. Goodell doesn't want dynasties. More money was to be made with Brady winning a SB with his new team in a Florida market as opposed to the Chiefs winning again, hence the gift 14 points before halftime.
Pats will need multiple INTs of Brady or a fumble in there, a Def TD and a big Special Teams play to keep it close.
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Honestly, the blame belongs with B.B., I've come around on that over the last two seasons. As a fan I was convinced Bill knew Brady was on the decline and made the painful decision to move on and rebuild, but now, that just doesn't fly does it? Brady is every bit as good now as he ever was. It reeks of Bill's ego, you had the best player in the history of the game at the most important position in the game and you pushed him out the door? How is that justifiable in any sense? We go out after Brady leaves and spend 160 million on exactly what? I see one player that was clearly worth the money, and not a single offensive player that puts fear in anyone. It's becoming clear where the blame belongs and I hope I can come back in 9 or 10 weeks and say I'm wrong but as of now, "In Bill, I no longer trust."
Mazz22
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Good heavens. You do know Mahomes is the face of the league and the NFL loves dynasties which is what the Chiefs would have been in the convo had Mahomes beaten Brady/Bucs.
TyLawsPick6
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Wow.
The NFL hates dynasties. The salary cap was set up to bust them up and give FAs some power. They want the money spread out as evenly as possible, because the league makes more money that way.
The league actually lost money about 4 years ago with all the shenanigans Goodell was pulling and has pulled protecting AFC teams, not named NE. Ray Rice, Kareem Hunt, Tyreek Hill. Teams that could possibly knock off NE were protected for a reason.
The NBA is the star league. The NFL is a great story league.
Mazz22
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I know you are a new member here and I have enjoyed the majority of your posts but this is an off the rails post. The Patriots have made the league a boat load of money.
TyLawsPick6
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He is in decline. He led an 11-5 team last year with All Stars everywhere. He threw 3 INTs in the NFC title game like he did in KC in January 2019. He's still very good, at times magic Brady, but he's clearly past his prime. Look at last night.
His last 2 rings are directly attributed to his D and running backs. He needed them badly. And, good on him for realizing running the ball more helps him.
Plus, you throw the Giselle influence and Brady admitting she's wanted him to retire for a while, etc, and Brady being uncoachable going back many years, which led to the drafting of JimmyG, and voila, BB's brilliance comes from doing that, working with JimmyG daily (great game by him last night), and a2nd dynasty is formed. Brady had the fire again. Before that, he was subpar in postseasons.
Top 3 franchise draft picks:
1. A 1st for BB.
2. A 6th for Brady.
3. A 2nd for JimmyG (and BB working with him daily in case Brady didn't improve in postseasons).
Our society has little patience for the process. In BB I Trust, absolutely. Absolutely. We have a rookie cap future QB while all these other AFC teams have a 40 million per year QB that isn't worth the 40 million, not to mention small windows to win in and top heavy rosters.
There's a reason why Brady's team is allowing 30+ points every week on D. Their D sucks.
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Mazz22
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TyLawsPick6
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Nope. They've made Bob Kraft a boatload of money. I can still remember that article from 5 years ago with owners all angry that weren't seeing the return from the windfall 2011 CBA they thought they were getting. The jealousy of Bob's incredible financial success is very real as is his power.
Mazz22
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You do know that TV revenues which is where the bulk of money NFL teams is shared equally among all 32 teams? The quarter of billion that teams like the Bengals, WFT and Jets during our 2 decade run is courtesy of the Patriots.