Report: Adrian Peterson is interested in signing a team-friendly deal with the Pats

[foobahl]

I don't know, AP is talking about fighting wolves. Pretty wild, haha.

 

[subroc]

Where there's a whip (stick), there's a way...

F*ck Adrian Peterson. Anyone that would whip a 4 year old til they bled should be shot.

Exactly this. I absolutely do not want to see him in a Pats uniform.

Clearly the Patriots have signed veteran players with issues. No need to name them. But in recent years they have little patience for abuse as demonstrated by the fact that they haven't signed any.

I would be surprised if the Patriots sign him.

It does seem like many in the league, media and fans have accepted his punishment and have welcomed him back into the league with open arms. I would not be counted in that group.

 

[chevss454]

Clearly the Patriots have signed veteran players with issues. No need to name them. But in recent years they have little patience for abuse as demonstrated by the fact that they haven't signed any.

I would be surprised if the Patriots sign him.

It does seem like many in the league, media and fans have accepted his punishment and have welcomed him back into the league with open arms. I would not be counted in that group.

I can understand that some people may hold it against him but I don't for this reason: I was raised in the South by well educated parents (Harvard & Brown) who didn't hesitate use the rod on all of us kids. No, not to the extent that Peterson did but I was whipped pretty damn good on occasion. All my friends were treated similarly by their parents. It was the culture.
I didn't whip & rarely even spanked my kids but I do understand that culture. IIRC, a jury in Texas? found him not guilty. Peterson served his punishment and I'm good with him & his right to earn a living.

 

[Mazz22]

Clearly the Patriots have signed veteran players with issues. No need to name them. But in recent years they have little patience for abuse as demonstrated by the fact that they haven't signed any.

I would be surprised if the Patriots sign him.

It does seem like many in the league, media and fans have accepted his punishment and have welcomed him back into the league with open arms. I would not be counted in that group.

I can assure there are abusers on every single team in the NFL including the Patriots.

The Patriots MO is acquiring talent cheap and often that means taking on players with issues off the field.

 

[O_P_T]

How about him AND Blount? With White and Lewis? That'd be almost unfair...

I'm not sure you'd have all 4 on the gameday roster.

Right now Bolden is on the gameday roster due to his ST play.

IIRC, the only other RB's routinely on the gameday roster were Blount, Lewis, and White. Devlin was obviously in the mix, but the FB was more of a grouping with the TE's, IMHO.

DJ Foster only played in 3 games last year.

How many of those were after Lewis came off PUP?

If you go with 5 RB's (including Bolden), then what position do you cut one?

If you don't dress Bolden, who takes his place on ST's?

I don't see any of the RB's you cite doing that role, so who does?

 

[AllWorldTE]

Too many fumbles.

I have no idea what Peterson has left in the tank or if anything in his character mitigates his off-field issue but in terms of fumbles, ball security can be taught and habituated and if there's anyone who can do that it's Ivan Fears.

PS: Don't hold me personally responsible if they bring him in and he coughs it up on the GL in Super Bowl 52.....

 

[subroc]

I can assure there are abusers on every single team in the NFL including the Patriots.

The Patriots MO is acquiring talent cheap and often that means taking on players with issues off the field.

I expect a blanket statement like that is all the evidence some need. I need more.

Clearly the Patriots MO is acquiring talent on the cheap, but I still assert that it doesn't include cheap talent that are also abusers. Until I see it, I don't believe it.

 

[Ryan91]

I think that we need to get younger at that position, not older, he may still have it, but he isn't what the Pats need right now.

 

[BostonTim]

I'm not sure you'd have all 4 on the gameday roster.

Right now Bolden is on the gameday roster due to his ST play.

IIRC, the only other RB's routinely on the gameday roster were Blount, Lewis, and White. Devlin was obviously in the mix, but the FB was more of a grouping with the TE's, IMHO.

DJ Foster only played in 3 games last year.

How many of those were after Lewis came off PUP?

If you go with 5 RB's (including Bolden), then what position do you cut one?

If you don't dress Bolden, who takes his place on ST's?

I don't see any of the RB's you cite doing that role, so who does?

BB values special teams as much as any coach in the game and Bolden is a beast. He's dressing. (imo)


Cheers

 

[Mazz22]

I expect a blanket statement like that is all the evidence some need. I need more.

Clearly the Patriots MO is acquiring talent on the cheap, but I still assert that it doesn't include cheap talent that are also abusers. Until I see it, I don't believe it.

That 55.4 percent is more than four times worse than the league’s arrest rate for all offenses (13 percent), and domestic violence accounts for 48 percent of arrests for violent crimes among NFL players, compared to 21 percent nationally.

Now if you want to believe that the Pats have never had players with abuse issues that is up to you but the data is whopping that they do like every other team.

 

[subroc]

Clearly the Patriots have signed veteran players with issues. No need to name them. But in recent years they have little patience for abuse as demonstrated by the fact that they haven't signed any.

I would be surprised if the Patriots sign him.

It does seem like many in the league, media and fans have accepted his punishment and have welcomed him back into the league with open arms. I would not be counted in that group.

That 55.4 percent is more than four times worse than the league’s arrest rate for all offenses (13 percent), and domestic violence accounts for 48 percent of arrests for violent crimes among NFL players, compared to 21 percent nationally.

Now if you want to believe that the Pats have never had players with abuse issues that is up to you but the data is whopping that they do like every other team.

The data indicates a league wide #, nothing specific to the Patriots. You do realize that players that are accused of or charged with domestic violence or child abuse have names and those players make up those statistics. So, what players on the Patriots in recent memory have been charged with or even accused of domestic violence or child abuse have been brought in as signed free agents or drafted? What Patriot player has been allowed to stay after being charged?

 

[Mazz22]

The data indicates a league wide #, nothing specific to the Patriots. You do realize that players that accused of or charged with domestic violence or child abuse have names and those players make up those statistics. So, what players on the Patriots in recent memory have been charged with or even accused of domestic violence or child abuse?

That is the thing though, 55% of those reported. How many DVs never get reported much less child abuse?

I don't mean to burst your bubble if you want to believe the Pats have never had an abuser but football is not a boys choir and Bill wants to win with talent he can afford and also guys he feel he can reclamate.

Let me ask you, if they sign AP will you stop cheering for the team?

 

[PatsFanLisa]

I think Peterson is toast, but I could be wrong. I still think they re-sign Blount. He hasn't left the area to go back to south Florida and he loves it here. He may get offered more from another team, but he's been on other teams and was never satisfied. He's rooted in Boston sports. The question is whether the team still wants him. I think what he brings to the locker room is important, too. His rah-rah spirit is infectious and, by all accounts, he's a hard worker.

18 TDs last season is hard to overlook.

 

[Thelonious]

Well, I wouldn't be here if I weren't an avid follower of the Pats. And I do think that the Pats, more so than many other teams, take character into account when choosing players. I think, though, that they are concerned with those aspects of character which bear upon success in football. These aspects of character naturally are somewhat congruent with "character" in a broader, perhaps more honorable, sense; but football character is a somewhat narrower thing than character in the full sense. I'd be surprised, then, if the Pats weren't at least a somewhat more virtuous bunch than some teams, but it's unlikely they'll be mistaken for a bunch of nuns.

The real mistake would be to buy uncritically into the notion that "sports builds character," which is, at least in our age, an utter and pernicious crock.

(I am wondering whether there can be degrees of congruence, but I'll leave that question as a divertissement for the logicians amongst us.)

 

[subroc]

That is the thing though, 55% of those reported. How many DVs never get reported much less child abuse?

I don't really care what that number is. It immaterial to this discussion.

...I don't mean to burst your bubble if you want to believe the Pats have never had an abuser but football is not a boys choir and Bill wants to win with talent he can afford and also guys he feel he can reclamate...

It isn't what I said and it's not what I believe. I said in recent years and there aren't any on the roster now. Name me a player that smacked around his wife or girlfriend in this century?

Now, a point we can debate. I believe the Patriots will take on all kinds of off field issues. I don't think they care all that much about recreational drug use or PEDs. Maybe even DUI, depending on the player. I expect there are a myriad of issues they don't care about. I believe domestic violence falls into a separate category. I believe Myra Kraft was instrumental in a "zero tolerance" stand on this issue.

You can disagree with me on this issue. I don't really care.

...Let me ask you, if they sign AP will you stop cheering for the team?

I would keep watching. I am not sure I do much cheering now and doubt I would do much then.

 

[Mazz22]

I don't really care what that number is. It immaterial to this discussion.



It isn't what I said and it's not what I believe. I said in recent years and there aren't any on the roster now. Name me a player that smacked around his wife or girlfriend in this century?

Now, a point we can debate. I believe the Patriots will take on all kinds of off field issues. I don't think they care all that much about recreational drug use or PEDs. Maybe even DUI, depending on the player. I expect there are a myriad of issues they don't care about. I believe domestic violence falls into a separate category. I believe Myra Kraft was instrumental in a "zero tolerance" stand on this issue.

You can disagree with me on this issue. I don't really care.

I would keep watching. I am not sure I do much cheering now and doubt I would do much then.

The whole point of the graphic I posted was to sure you the prevalence of DV in the NFL. There are many, many players that do it and the coaches and FO did not know. That is the point I was making not that the Pats willfully employ abusers.

 

[mikiemo83]

That 55.4 percent is more than four times worse than the league’s arrest rate for all offenses (13 percent), and domestic violence accounts for 48 percent of arrests for violent crimes among NFL players, compared to 21 percent nationally.

Now if you want to believe that the Pats have never had players with abuse issues that is up to you but the data is whopping that they do like every other team.

are you saying the Patriots have not?

Dillon was a DV guy.

other players have been too.

I am torn on Peterson, I want to whip him with a willow branch until his testicles bleed for what he did to his child.

Chev mentioned as a kid in the south that getting your ass whipped was common place, Not Peterson on a 4 year old but a good old fashion lesson teaching.

but that was what 35-40 years ago? I would like to think we have moved past that type of teaching. I am not saying a spank on the ass is bad, I am saying the "get a branch off the tree" and a "whooping room" seem to me a little more than a strap across the ass a couple times.



that said, I am a fan of the team, and I do not know any of the players personally so I have no clue who is a good guy and who is an asshat murdering Hernandez. I root for laundry not the person but do enjoy how certain players play the game and take to them (Light and Mankins for being hard asses on the field and taking no shit). I don't know Peterson, the man, but what I have heard about his kids and the injuries, the other kids he never met, as a father I find it repulsive.


but as a football fan I think he would be a 1200+ yard guy who may help win a SB in February.

 

[subroc]

The whole point of the graphic I posted was to sure you the prevalence of DV in the NFL. There are many, many players that do it and the coaches and FO did not know. That is the point I was making not that the Pats willfully employ abusers.

As far as this discussion goes, I don't care about theoretical players on the Patriots beating their wives. As far as this discussion is concerned the only point that matters is actual Patriots beating their wives.

 

[Mazz22]

are you saying the Patriots have not?

Dillon was a DV guy.

other players have been too.

I am torn on Peterson, I want to whip him with a willow branch until his testicles bleed for what he did to his child.

Chev mentioned as a kid in the south that getting your ass whipped was common place, Not Peterson on a 4 year old but a good old fashion lesson teaching.

but that was what 35-40 years ago? I would like to think we have moved past that type of teaching. I am not saying a spank on the ass is bad, I am saying the "get a branch off the tree" and a "whooping room" seem to me a little more than a strap across the ass a couple times.



that said, I am a fan of the team, and I do not know any of the players personally so I have no clue who is a good guy and who is an asshat murdering Hernandez. I root for laundry not the person but do enjoy how certain players play the game and take to them (Light and Mankins for being hard asses on the field and taking no shit). I don't know Peterson, the man, but what I have heard about his kids and the injuries, the other kids he never met, as a father I find it repulsive.


but as a football fan I think he would be a 1200+ yard guy who may help win a SB in February.

I posted the graphic to show how prevalent DV is in the league just in reported cases and arrests much less the ones that never get reported.

My feeling toward the whole "morality of player" issues is one of complete apathy. I watch the game because I love football knowing full well that most NFL players are shady in some respect or another or in other cases out right pieces of dirt (i.e. Hardy, Hernandez, Ray Lewis, Ray Rice, any player named "Ray") which is why I am always amazed when people pull the morality card as the NFL is the LAST place anyone should be looking for morality as a reason why they watch the game or root for their team. The point of the league is to win not to have a team full of choir boys. If it really bothered me that much, I would find something else to do with my time on Sundays and in the off-season.

That being said, I do appreciate the Patriots and how they look for character players most of the time but we all know that is because character guys make for better players and locker room influences which directly correlates to winning.

 

[BradyGirl]

Fvck child-abuser Peterson.