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yackittysacks said:
The Pats should trade a couple 6's for a 4. I don't think the loss of a 1 is really that much of a punishment. How often do 1's really work out for the money? Two's and 3's are good picks.
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Yeah the guys BB has picked at #1 are teh suck.

Richard Seymour, Ty Warren, Vince Wilfolk, Logan Mankins, Jerod Mayo, Devin McCourty, Chandler Jones, Dont'a Hightower.

:rolleyes:

The jury's still out on Dominique Easley and Malcom Brown, but they have a chance to be very good as well.

His "misses" include the following.

Daniel Graham, Benjamin Watson, Laurence Maroney, Brandon Meriweather, and Nate Solder.

Of those the only true "miss", IMHO is Meriweather.

So that's 8 solid hits, 5 "misses" and 2 yet to be determined.
 
O_P_T said:
Yeah the guys BB has picked at #1 are teh suck.

Richard Seymour, Ty Warren, Vince Wilfolk, Logan Mankins, Jerod Mayo, Devin McCourty, Chandler Jones, Dont'a Hightower.

:rolleyes:

The jury's still out on Dominique Easley and Malcom Brown, but they have a chance to be very good as well.

His "misses" include the following.

Daniel Graham, Benjamin Watson, Laurence Maroney, Brandon Meriweather, and Nate Solder.

Of those the only true "miss", IMHO is Meriweather.

So that's 8 solid hits, 5 "misses" and 2 yet to be determined.
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I don't consider Solder a miss. He's been the starter since year 2 and we saw how much he was missed after his injury last season.
Graham was a solid contributor during his time here.
Maroney at least had a couple of productive seasons.
Watson and Merriweather were misses, although at least both stayed in the league for an extended period of time.
 
I see this a lot. If a guy is still in the league after 6 or 7 years, he is a hit. He might not be a fit for a particular scheme, the money might be an issue or maybe personalities don't mix. But, a guy with a 5 year or more career surely must be considered a real NFL player and therefor a hit.
 
I agree subroc. I think the only one who is what I would call a "miss" out of those OPT mentioned was Maroney.
I mean, we have first rounders out there like Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell, it's hard to put Maroney in that class. Maybe I'd put him in the Tebow class. Had some shining moments but was mostly meh.
 
Was Meriweather really a bust?

He has played 9 years in the NFL. He is 32 years old. That pretty much equates to a full career. He went to 2 pro bowls. Now we can surely debate if he deserved them, but he was selected none the less. He might not have been great but I wouldn't characterize him a bust. 9 YEARS!
 
I guess I was't clear.

I think it is fair to say that the first group of guys I listed are/were genuine stud players. I don't think anyone would dispute that.

The second group is more open for debate, and reasonable people may disagree how good any of them are/were.

IMHO, only Meriweather was a complete bust for NE.

So my list was intentionally conservative to prove the point that BB has done pretty good in the first round
 
O_P_T said:
I guess I was't clear.

I think it is fair to say that the first group of guys I listed are/were genuine stud players. I don't think anyone would dispute that.

The second group is more open for debate, and reasonable people may disagree how good any of them are/were.

IMHO, only Meriweather was a complete bust for NE.

So my list was intentionally conservative to prove the point that BB has done pretty good in the first round
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Did you mean Maroney?
 
subroc said:
Was Meriweather really a bust?

He has played 9 years in the NFL. He is 32 years old. That pretty much equates to a full career. He went to 2 pro bowls. Now we can surely debate if he deserved them, but he was selected none the less. He might not have been great but I wouldn't characterize him a bust. 9 YEARS!
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As a Pat...he was a bust. Yes.

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O_P_T said:
No I meant Meriweather was a bust for New England.

I don't care what he's done elsewhere in the league, he sucked for us.
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Exactly...
 
Meriweather did not suck as a Patriot player. That is an absurd characterization. In his 3 years after his rookie year, he had a dozen INTs and in those 3 years he had 61, 53 and 49 tackles respectivly.

I am not sayin' he was the 2nd coming of Rodney Harrison or anything like that but he far from sucked.

Awesome, I am sitting here defending Brandon Meriwearther. What has my life become?

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<PRE>                                                                                             
                           Game    Def                Fumb               Sack                
Year     Age  Tm   Pos No.    G GS  Int Yds TD Lng PD   FF Fmb FR Yds TD   Sk Tkl Ast Sfty AV
2007      23 NWE        31   16  0    0   0  0   0  3    1   0  0   0  0       18   9       1
2008      24 NWE db/SS  31   16 11    4  25  0  19  9    2   0  0   0  0  2.0  61  22       6
2009*     25 NWE    SS  31   16 16    5 149  1  56  9    2   0  0   0  0       53  30      10
2010*     26 NWE  S/ss  31   16 13    3  39  0  39  6    0   0  1   0  0       49  19       6
2011      27 CHI    fs  31   11  4    0   0  0   0  2                          19  13       2
2012      28 WAS    ss  31    1  1    1  25  0  25  2                           3   4       0
2013      29 WAS FS/ss  31   13 13    2  62  0  32  3    1   0  1   0  0  1.0  53  16       4
2014      30 WAS    SS  31   10 10    0   0  0   0  3    3   0  1   0  0  3.0  36  19       4
2015      31 NYG  s/SS  22   13 12    2  26  0  26  7                          43  16       4
Career                      112 80   17 326  1  56 44    9   0  3   0  0  6.0 335 148      37
4 yrs        NWE             64 40   12 213  1  56 27    5   0  1   0  0  2.0 181  80      23
3 yrs        WAS             24 24    3  87  0  32  8    4   0  2   0  0  4.0  92  39       8
1 yr         CHI             11  4    0   0  0   0  2                          19  13       2
1 yr         NYG             13 12    2  26  0  26  7                          43  16       4
</PRE>
 
I'm with you, Subroc. Not a fan of the dude, but he does not fit my definition of bust as a Patriot or elsewhere.
 
subroc said:
Meriweather did not suck as a Patriot player. That is an absurd characterization. In his 3 years after his rookie year, he had a dozen INTs and in those 3 years he had 61, 53 and 49 tackles respectivly.

I am not sayin' he was the 2nd coming of Rodney Harrison or anything like that but he far from sucked.

Awesome, I am sitting here defending Brandon Meriwearther. What has my life become?

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                           Game    Def                Fumb               Sack                
Year     Age  Tm   Pos No.    G GS  Int Yds TD Lng PD   FF Fmb FR Yds TD   Sk Tkl Ast Sfty AV
2007      23 NWE        31   16  0    0   0  0   0  3    1   0  0   0  0       18   9       1
2008      24 NWE db/SS  31   16 11    4  25  0  19  9    2   0  0   0  0  2.0  61  22       6
2009*     25 NWE    SS  31   16 16    5 149  1  56  9    2   0  0   0  0       53  30      10
2010*     26 NWE  S/ss  31   16 13    3  39  0  39  6    0   0  1   0  0       49  19       6
2011      27 CHI    fs  31   11  4    0   0  0   0  2                          19  13       2
2012      28 WAS    ss  31    1  1    1  25  0  25  2                           3   4       0
2013      29 WAS FS/ss  31   13 13    2  62  0  32  3    1   0  1   0  0  1.0  53  16       4
2014      30 WAS    SS  31   10 10    0   0  0   0  3    3   0  1   0  0  3.0  36  19       4
2015      31 NYG  s/SS  22   13 12    2  26  0  26  7                          43  16       4
Career                      112 80   17 326  1  56 44    9   0  3   0  0  6.0 335 148      37
4 yrs        NWE             64 40   12 213  1  56 27    5   0  1   0  0  2.0 181  80      23
3 yrs        WAS             24 24    3  87  0  32  8    4   0  2   0  0  4.0  92  39       8
1 yr         CHI             11  4    0   0  0   0  2                          19  13       2
1 yr         NYG             13 12    2  26  0  26  7                          43  16       4
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You should ask why BB didn't give a shit about re-signing him...:coffee:

Merriwether makes Brandon Browner look smart for making dumbass penalties and whiffing on big plays.
 
Clearly, we are still in this year and the future will take care of itself, but between losses and signings, it doesn't look like any comp pics next year. At least nothing stands out.
 
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