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No opinions, only facts. Let's put this myth to rest forever and prove that Dandy Dan was not a Choker....ready, go.
 
I dunno. 8-10 is pretty hard to overcome. So is 62-7. So is the Invented Lee Stat of Marino having at least 30 plays of 0 yards or less in Super Bowl XIX. Then there was the clutch 20-48 with 2 INTs the next year in the AFCCG.

Should be interesting.
 
Im not quite sure what exactly you Pat Fans don't get...these are Marino's AllTime Rankings directly from the NFL's Hall Of Fame both Reg season and Post season...Not to mention he is short 1 game with the most combacks in history, and has the most Victories of any QB in the least amount of games...

If this guy is choker, I would like you to post actual hard credible facts as I just did...instead of posting your bullshit of how Marino gave up 62 points afainst Jags..

In the NFL Record Book (at time of his retirement following 1999 season)

[1st] Highest Passer Rating, Rookie Season - 96.0 (1983)
[1st] Most Seasons Leading League, Pass Attempts - 5 (1984, 1986, 1988, 1992, 1997)
[1st] Most Passes Attempted, Career - 8,358
[1st] Most Seasons Leading League, Pass Completions - 6 (1984, 1985, 1986, 1988, 1992, 1997)
[1st] Most Passes Completed, Career - 4,967
[1st] Highest Pass Completion Percentage, Rookie Season - 58.45 (1983)
[1st] Most Yards Gained Passing, Career - 61,361
[1st] Most Seasons 3,000 or More Yards Passing - 13
[1st] Most Yards Gained Passing, Season - 5,084 (1984)
[1st] Most Games, 400 or More Yards Passing, Career - 13
[1st] Most Games, 400 or More Yards Passing, Season - 4 (1984)
[1st] Most Games, 300 or More Yards Passing, Career - 63
[1st] Most Touchdown Passes, Career - 420
[1st] Most Touchdown Passes, Season - 48 (1984)
[1st] Most Games, Four or More Touchdown Passes, Career - 21
[1st] Most Games, Four or More Touchdown Passes, Season - 6 (1984)
[1st] Most Consecutive Games, Four or More Touchdown Passes - 4 (1984)
[Tied for 1st] Most Seasons Leading League, Passing Yards - 5 (1984, 1985, 1986, 1988, 1992)
[Tied for 1st] Most Consecutive Games, 400 or More Yards Passing - 2 (1984)
[Tied for 1st] Most Games, 300 or More Yards Passing, Season - 9 (1984)
[Tied for 1st] Most Consecutive Seasons Leading League, Pass Completions - 3 (1984-1986)
[2nd] Most Consecutive Seasons Leading League, Passing Yards - 3 (1984-1986)
[2nd] Most Games, 400 or More Yards Passing, Season - 3 (1986)
[2nd] Most Touchdown Passes, Season - 44 (1986)
[2nd] Most Consecutive Games With a Touchdown Pass - 30 (1985-1987)
[2nd] Lowest Percentage, Passes Intercepted, Rookie Season - 2.03 (1983)
[Tied for 2nd] Most Seasons Leading League, Passing Touchdowns - 3 (1984, 1985, 1986)
[Tied for 2nd] Most Consecutive Seasons Leading League, Passing Touchdowns - 3 (1984-1986)
[Tied for 2nd] Most Games, Four or More Touchdown Passes, Season - 5 (1986)
[Tied for 2nd] Most Fumbles Recovered, Season, Own and Opponents - 8 {7 own, 1 opp} (1988)
[3rd] Most Passes Completed, Season - 385 (1994)
[3rd] Most Yards Gained Passing, Season - 4,746 (1986)
[3rd] Most Touchdown Passes, Rookie Season - 20 (1983)

Super Bowl Records

[2nd] Most Pass Completions, Game - 29 (SB XIX, vs. San Francisco)
[Tied for 2nd] Most Pass Attempts, Game - 50 (SB XIX, vs. San Francisco)

Post-Season Records

[1st] Most Consecutive Games With Touchdown Pass - 13 (1983-1995)
[2nd] Most Pass Attempts, Career - 687
[2nd] Most Passes Completed, Career - 385
[2nd] Most Touchdown Passes, Career - 32
[Tied for 2nd] Most Pass Attempts, Game - 64 (vs. Buffalo, Dec. 30, 1995)
[Tied for 2nd] Most Passes Completed, Game - 33 (vs. Buffalo, Dec. 30, 1995)
[3rd] Most Yards Gained, Career - 4,510
[3rd] Highest Average Gain Passing, Game - 13.16 (vs. Pittsburgh, Jan. 6, 1985)
[3rd] Most Passes Intercepted, Career - 24
[Tied for 3rd] Most Games, 300 or More Yards Passing, Career - 4
[Tied for 3rd] Most Consecutive Games, 300 or More Yards Passing - 2 (1984)
[Tied for 3rd] Most Touchdown Passes, Game - 4 (vs. Pittsburgh, Jan. 6, 1985)
 
So no one has a single fact that disproves he was a choker? I find that hard to believe.
 
Dolphin22 said:
Im not quite sure what exactly you Pat Fans don't get...these are Marino's AllTime Rankings directly from the NFL's Hall Of Fame both Reg season and Post season...Not to mention he is short 1 game with the most combacks in history, and has the most Victories of any QB in the least amount of games...

If this guy is choker, I would like you to post actual hard credible facts as I just did...instead of posting your bullshit of how Marino gave up 62 points afainst Jags..

In the NFL Record Book (at time of his retirement following 1999 season)

[1st] Highest Passer Rating, Rookie Season - 96.0 (1983)
[1st] Most Seasons Leading League, Pass Attempts - 5 (1984, 1986, 1988, 1992, 1997)
[1st] Most Passes Attempted, Career - 8,358
[1st] Most Seasons Leading League, Pass Completions - 6 (1984, 1985, 1986, 1988, 1992, 1997)
[1st] Most Passes Completed, Career - 4,967
[1st] Highest Pass Completion Percentage, Rookie Season - 58.45 (1983)
[1st] Most Yards Gained Passing, Career - 61,361
[1st] Most Seasons 3,000 or More Yards Passing - 13
[1st] Most Yards Gained Passing, Season - 5,084 (1984)
[1st] Most Games, 400 or More Yards Passing, Career - 13
[1st] Most Games, 400 or More Yards Passing, Season - 4 (1984)
[1st] Most Games, 300 or More Yards Passing, Career - 63
[1st] Most Touchdown Passes, Career - 420
[1st] Most Touchdown Passes, Season - 48 (1984)
[1st] Most Games, Four or More Touchdown Passes, Career - 21
[1st] Most Games, Four or More Touchdown Passes, Season - 6 (1984)
[1st] Most Consecutive Games, Four or More Touchdown Passes - 4 (1984)
[Tied for 1st] Most Seasons Leading League, Passing Yards - 5 (1984, 1985, 1986, 1988, 1992)
[Tied for 1st] Most Consecutive Games, 400 or More Yards Passing - 2 (1984)
[Tied for 1st] Most Games, 300 or More Yards Passing, Season - 9 (1984)
[Tied for 1st] Most Consecutive Seasons Leading League, Pass Completions - 3 (1984-1986)
[2nd] Most Consecutive Seasons Leading League, Passing Yards - 3 (1984-1986)
[2nd] Most Games, 400 or More Yards Passing, Season - 3 (1986)
[2nd] Most Touchdown Passes, Season - 44 (1986)
[2nd] Most Consecutive Games With a Touchdown Pass - 30 (1985-1987)
[2nd] Lowest Percentage, Passes Intercepted, Rookie Season - 2.03 (1983)
[Tied for 2nd] Most Seasons Leading League, Passing Touchdowns - 3 (1984, 1985, 1986)
[Tied for 2nd] Most Consecutive Seasons Leading League, Passing Touchdowns - 3 (1984-1986)
[Tied for 2nd] Most Games, Four or More Touchdown Passes, Season - 5 (1986)
[Tied for 2nd] Most Fumbles Recovered, Season, Own and Opponents - 8 {7 own, 1 opp} (1988)
[3rd] Most Passes Completed, Season - 385 (1994)
[3rd] Most Yards Gained Passing, Season - 4,746 (1986)
[3rd] Most Touchdown Passes, Rookie Season - 20 (1983)

Super Bowl Records

[2nd] Most Pass Completions, Game - 29 (SB XIX, vs. San Francisco)
[Tied for 2nd] Most Pass Attempts, Game - 50 (SB XIX, vs. San Francisco)

Post-Season Records

[1st] Most Consecutive Games With Touchdown Pass - 13 (1983-1995)
[2nd] Most Pass Attempts, Career - 687
[2nd] Most Passes Completed, Career - 385
[2nd] Most Touchdown Passes, Career - 32
[Tied for 2nd] Most Pass Attempts, Game - 64 (vs. Buffalo, Dec. 30, 1995)
[Tied for 2nd] Most Passes Completed, Game - 33 (vs. Buffalo, Dec. 30, 1995)
[3rd] Most Yards Gained, Career - 4,510
[3rd] Highest Average Gain Passing, Game - 13.16 (vs. Pittsburgh, Jan. 6, 1985)
[3rd] Most Passes Intercepted, Career - 24
[Tied for 3rd] Most Games, 300 or More Yards Passing, Career - 4
[Tied for 3rd] Most Consecutive Games, 300 or More Yards Passing - 2 (1984)
[Tied for 3rd] Most Touchdown Passes, Game - 4 (vs. Pittsburgh, Jan. 6, 1985)
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Meaningless longevity stats. You can do better.

And 29-50 in SB XIX is all well and good, but what about the 30 plays of 0 yards or less?

29-50-318 1 TD 2 INT, 6.2 YPA (pathetic) 66.9 rating (pathetic)

Career Playoffs: 385-687 56.0% (awful) 4510 yds, 6.6 YPA, 32 TD 24 INT (Favre is 39 TD 28 INT with an 85.7 rating) 77.1 rating
 
The funny part is, d22 proved marino is a choker, he shows a lot of longevity stats in the regular season then if you look at the playoffs its, 2nd most pass attempts. ROFL. I didnt know pass attempts made you good in the playoffs. The fact he had so long of regular season success and then fell apart in the playoffs kinda proves everything.
 
Can't anyone prove that Marino wasn't a choker? Surely someone has proof! ;)
 
TommyD420 said:
Meaningless longevity stats. You can do better.

And 29-50 in SB XIX is all well and good, but what about the 30 plays of 0 yards or less?

29-50-318 1 TD 2 INT, 6.2 YPA (pathetic) 66.9 rating (pathetic)

Career Playoffs: 385-687 56.0% (awful) 4510 yds, 6.6 YPA, 32 TD 24 INT (Favre is 39 TD 28 INT with an 85.7 rating) 77.1 rating
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thats funny...because most of the records I posted are single Games, single season and most conesecutive gms & sea records

Reg seasons 33 NFL Passing Records & only 6 are longevity/career...and this is against the 15 year greatest QB pool era in all NFL History...these are definateky QB choking records ! ...jeez if this doesn't prove what a choker Marino is ...what does..and he is top 3 QB's in 12 Post season passing records...

1st - 21
2nd - 9
3rd - 3
 
This is like asking us to prove that the Sun isn't hot.

Marino threw at least one interception in 13 of his 18 career playoff games. He threw two or more interceptions 10 times. The Dolphins went just 1-9 in those 10 Marino multi-interception playoff games.
 
Dolphin22 said:
thats funny...because most of the records I posted are single Games, single season and most conesecutive gms & sea records

Reg seasons 33 NFL Passing Records & only 6 are longevity/career...and this is against the 15 year greatest QB pool era in all NFL History...these are definateky QB choking records ! ...jeez if this doesn't prove what a choker Marino is ...what does..and he is top 3 QB's in 12 Post season passing records...

1st - 21
2nd - 9
3rd - 3
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Nothing about the 30 plays of 0 yards or less in the Super Bowl, Lee?

Nothing about the 6.6 YPA in the playoffs?

Nothing about the 56.0% Completions in the playoffs?

Nothing about his shitty 77.1 QB rating in the playoffs?


You're throwing single-game and longevity records up in order to prove Marino isn't a choker. You're better than this Lee. Weak sauce from you, my friend.
 
Dolphin22 said:
thats funny...because most of the records I posted are single Games, single season and most conesecutive gms & sea records

Reg seasons 33 NFL Passing Records & only 6 are longevity/career...and this is against the 15 year greatest QB pool era in all NFL History...these are definateky QB choking records ! ...jeez if this doesn't prove what a choker Marino is ...what does..and he is top 3 QB's in 12 Post season passing records...

1st - 21
2nd - 9
3rd - 3
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So you are saying he is good in regular season but in the playoffs he sucks? Cool more evidence that marino is a choker. The post season records you are using are interceptions and like passes attempted, not sure those are what wins games for you. When you play that long in the league you are going to accumulate numbers. What I go by is 24 ints in 18 playoff games and his record and since we can contribute them losing to multi int games, it looks pretty good that marino was in fact a choker.
 
PatsRUs said:
This is like asking us to prove that the Sun isn't hot.

Marino threw at least one interception in 13 of his 18 career playoff games. He threw two or more interceptions 10 times. The Dolphins went just 1-9 in those 10 Marino multi-interception playoff games.
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So the fact that most of their losses was in mutil int marino games, I would say he was a big cause for them losing.
 
No facts? I'm starting to think that Marino really was a choker.
 
Dolphin22 said:
Super Bowl Records

[2nd] Most Pass Completions, Game - 29 (SB XIX, vs. San Francisco)
[Tied for 2nd] Most Pass Attempts, Game - 50 (SB XIX, vs. San Francisco)
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Coming in 2nd isn't a record dumb dumb.

Who holds that pass completion record anyway:coffee:
 
midgar8784 said:
So the fact that most of their losses was in mutil int marino games, I would say he was a big cause for them losing.
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Far be it from me to defend Dan Marino (**** him and his isotoners) but interceptions = losses may not always be the case.

Sometimes you lose because you're throwing interceptions.

Sometimes, you're throwing interceptions because you're losing.
 
jaric of teh jungle said:
Far be it from me to defend Dan Marino (**** him and his isotoners) but interceptions = losses may not always be the case.

Sometimes you lose because you're throwing interceptions.

Sometimes, you're throwing interceptions because you're losing.
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MUST you always be the voice of reason? :D
 
jaric of teh jungle said:
Far be it from me to defend Dan Marino (**** him and his isotoners) but interceptions = losses may not always be the case.

Sometimes you lose because you're throwing interceptions.

Sometimes, you're throwing interceptions because you're losing.
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or sometimes you are throwing interceptions because you are throwing too damn much trying to be the hero and you are throwing into triple coverage and not being careful with the ball. 24 ints in 18 playoff games.
 
midgar8784 said:
or sometimes you are throwing interceptions because you are throwing too damn much trying to be the hero and you are throwing into triple coverage and not being careful with the ball. 24 ints in 18 playoff games.
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I know that.

What I am saying though, is that sometime interceptions are the cause of losing, and sometimes, they are a byproduct of losing. If you're down by two touchdowns with no time left, well, you are at a much higher risk of throwing a pick because A, there is no time to be patient, and B, everyone on the field knows you're throwing.
 
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