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Go debate the guy, I want to hear this...seriously.

It wouldn't end well, for anyone. I know exactly how it would go, and I'd wager a fair sum it'd be like this:
He posits one of his 'rhetorical' questions which have answers, I'd put forth the answer. He'd reject that answer with something like 'that's what they want you to think'. I'd point out that my answer is verifiable by dozens of peer reviewed experiments and founded on scientific principles which can be taught (and are) to middle schoolers, who can (and do) perform experiments to verify the physics and principles behind them. That it's not blind faith, it's rational observation. He'd 'counter' with saying public education is indoctrination, that and put forth something he feels is ridiculous which is taught. He would accuse me of being a sheep or a shill, and say that I can't see the truth because I use toothpaste with flouride in it.

I'd point out the whole principle of science is that we can put forth experiments with results which are predictable and able to be reproduced, and that 1) any 'bad' science out there, anyone can do the experiment themselves, and verify the results are different, and expose it as such; and 2) the whole reason it's a thing is because it allows us to collectively know things without everyone having to do every experiment. If there is fake science, just expose it, document performing an experiment which leads to different results. He would mock the very idea of that, and point out that neither he nor I had actually gone to space, and would say that neither of us ever will, because it's impossible.

So I'd ask, if it's all faked and no data can be trusted, what evidence would he accept? If I was the sheep, in what way could someone test his beliefs in such a way to where they could prove them to be wrong? He would put something forth, either something which has already been done and proven or some impossible standard. I'd point out either that the evidence was already there and he was actively refusing to accept it, or that via that impossible standard he was as much as admitting that he would not accept any evidence which ran counter to his beliefs. That he was actively rejecting any evidence he may have been bamboozled, and showing that he was disinterested in learning the truth.

He'd basically say 'no you' and make a bunch of unfounded personal attacks against me. He'd accuse me of being a complete moron and / or a shill actively furthering the interests of nefarious individuals. He would say that there was so much evidence he was correct that it was basically impossible for someone looking at the facts to fail to see the truth, unless they were compromised in some way. He'd put me forth as someone utterly taken by various government programs or something. I'd lash out and say that if I was so compromised how come I'm the only one of us able to comprehend 6th grade science, and challenge him to perform the experiments himself, prove some aspect of the calculations which guide rocket telemetry to be incorrect, or offer forth observational data which would lead to, based on those calculations, an actual different destination than advertised. He'd ban me and then spend the next 1/2 hour talking trash about me, and his ardent followers would leave feeling like I was a fool and he had 'won' the exchange, while those who already thought he was a fool would think that I had 'won' the exchange, and no one, literally no one, would have their minds changed.

Debate is only productive when it's between two individuals whose minds are open. I'm open to actual evidence of just about anything. But when the other side is just throwing up their hands and calling BS on all evidence which exists, while offering literally no evidence whatsoever to back up their claims and beliefs, the conversation can never go anywhere.

B/S/F if you haven't already, I'd highly recommend watching the documentary 'Behind the Curve', I'd recommend it to anyone but I think you would find it interesting and get a lot out of it. I know I did.
 

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It wouldn't end well, for anyone. I know exactly how it would go, and I'd wager a fair sum it'd be like this:
He posits one of his 'rhetorical' questions which have answers, I'd put forth the answer. He'd reject that answer with something like 'that's what they want you to think'. I'd point out that my answer is verifiable by dozens of peer reviewed experiments and founded on scientific principles which can be taught (and are) to middle schoolers, who can (and do) perform experiments to verify the physics and principles behind them. That it's not blind faith, it's rational observation. He'd 'counter' with saying public education is indoctrination, that and put forth something he feels is ridiculous which is taught. He would accuse me of being a sheep or a shill, and say that I can't see the truth because I use toothpaste with flouride in it.

I'd point out the whole principle of science is that we can put forth experiments with results which are predictable and able to be reproduced, and that 1) any 'bad' science out there, anyone can do the experiment themselves, and verify the results are different, and expose it as such; and 2) the whole reason it's a thing is because it allows us to collectively know things without everyone having to do every experiment. If there is fake science, just expose it, document performing an experiment which leads to different results. He would mock the very idea of that, and point out that neither he nor I had actually gone to space, and would say that neither of us ever will, because it's impossible.

So I'd ask, if it's all faked and no data can be trusted, what evidence would he accept? If I was the sheep, in what way could someone test his beliefs in such a way to where they could prove them to be wrong? He would put something forth, either something which has already been done and proven or some impossible standard. I'd point out either that the evidence was already there and he was actively refusing to accept it, or that via that impossible standard he was as much as admitting that he would not accept any evidence which ran counter to his beliefs. That he was actively rejecting any evidence he may have been bamboozled, and showing that he was disinterested in learning the truth.

He'd basically say 'no you' and make a bunch of unfounded personal attacks against me. He'd accuse me of being a complete moron and / or a shill actively furthering the interests of nefarious individuals. He would say that there was so much evidence he was correct that it was basically impossible for someone looking at the facts to fail to see the truth, unless they were compromised in some way. He'd put me forth as someone utterly taken by various government programs or something. I'd lash out and say that if I was so compromised how come I'm the only one of us able to comprehend 6th grade science, and challenge him to perform the experiments himself, prove some aspect of the calculations which guide rocket telemetry to be incorrect, or offer forth observational data which would lead to, based on those calculations, an actual different destination than advertised. He'd ban me and then spend the next 1/2 hour talking trash about me, and his ardent followers would leave feeling like I was a fool and he had 'won' the exchange, while those who already thought he was a fool would think that I had 'won' the exchange, and no one, literally no one, would have their minds changed.

Debate is only productive when it's between two individuals whose minds are open. I'm open to actual evidence of just about anything. But when the other side is just throwing up their hands and calling BS on all evidence which exists, while offering literally no evidence whatsoever to back up their claims and beliefs, the conversation can never go anywhere.

B/S/F if you haven't already, I'd highly recommend watching the documentary 'Behind the Curve', I'd recommend it to anyone but I think you would find it interesting and get a lot out of it. I know I did.

Holy Moly!

If any, ANY post deserved a drop, it’s this one!

Well done!


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I loves me someone who gives a good presentation of the ideas they wants to advance

a guy who presents himself to me in sideview w/ gray hair, gray backdrop wall & clown gray glasses frames while stuffin Fritos in his yap is too fahkin rude and imprude to me to give him the benefit of my audience

I'm supposed to buy that he actually believes his own shit w/ this act? :jerkit:

he can't sell the shit out the shit he's trying me to buy
 

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Dude, I've been to a Shuttle Launch. CGI is pretty hard to do when you're there

I saw the Cassini space probe blast off and it was a great experience. I was taking a technical class in Altamont Springs (Orlando) and heard about the launch, so drove a couple of hours in the middle of the night to see the launch, which was scrubbed due to protestors. I was devastated, but they tried again and I dragged my ass out of bed at 3AM to again make the drive.

I found a nice spot on some rocks below a Cape Kennedy bridge looking at the rocket which was about a mile or so away across a body of water in the darkness. That water was very still and reflected the massive fireball at ignition like a mirror and it was dead silent for a long beat until the sound waves reached my ears and the deep rumble vibrated my bones and entire body. Then, up and away and the Titan/Centaur engine disappeared into a small cloud and lit it up like a giant Japanese lantern before busting through and heading out for an almost 20 year mission. The whole thing lasted about a minute and a half until it was out of sight and it was easily worth all the effort and hassle for me to see such a thing. For a person that loved Space and Sci-Fi as a kid it was safe to call it a dream come true to be able to witness such an absolute spectacle. It was thrilling.

Since then, I followed the epic flight of the craft and recently watched a special about the final days of Cassini/Huygens as it daringly navigated Saturn's rings before purposefully crashing into the Planet in order to squeeze every last bit of data out of the mission.

Sure, it could have all been a giant fake. A clever narrative ruse. All those thousands of photos of 4 of our Solar System's planets, etc., could have been photo-shopped and I could be just a deluded fanboy who was duped by some shadowy Government types for unknown purposes.

But.......I'm pretty sure I wasn't a gullible dope and that shit was as real as real gets.
 

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I saw the Cassini space probe blast off and it was a great experience. I was taking a technical class in Altamont Springs (Orlando) and heard about the launch, so drove a couple of hours in the middle of the night to see the launch, which was scrubbed due to protestors. I was devastated, but they tried again and I dragged my ass out of bed at 3AM to again make the drive.

I found a nice spot on some rocks below a Cape Kennedy bridge looking at the rocket which was about a mile or so away across a body of water in the darkness. That water was very still and reflected the massive fireball at ignition like a mirror and it was dead silent for a long beat until the sound waves reached my ears and the deep rumble vibrated my bones and entire body. Then, up and away and the Titan/Centaur engine disappeared into a small cloud and lit it up like a giant Japanese lantern before busting through and heading out for an almost 20 year mission. The whole thing lasted about a minute and a half until it was out of sight and it was easily worth all the effort and hassle for me to see such a thing. For a person that loved Space and Sci-Fi as a kid it was safe to call it a dream come true to be able to witness such an absolute spectacle. It was thrilling.

Since then, I followed the epic flight of the craft and recently watched a special about the final days of Cassini/Huygens as it daringly navigated Saturn's rings before purposefully crashing into the Planet in order to squeeze every last bit of data out of the mission.

Sure, it could have all been a giant fake. A clever narrative ruse. All those thousands of photos of 4 of our Solar System's planets, etc., could have been photo-shopped and I could be just a deluded fanboy who was duped by some shadowy Government types for unknown purposes.

But.......I'm pretty sure I wasn't a gullible dope and that shit was as real as real gets.
The shuttle launch I saw was pure chance. I was working in Melbourne, staying at a Best Western or something with the rest of the crew on US 1. On a day off we went to NASA and seen the SHuttle on the pad and realized there was a launch coming up so that night we got up on the roof of the Hotel (You could do that in the 90's) and watched it go up. The way it lit up the sky was nothing but spectacular. Totally awesome!
 

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Debate is only productive when it's between two individuals whose minds are open. I'm open to actual evidence of just about anything. But when the other side is just throwing up their hands and calling BS on all evidence which exists, while offering literally no evidence whatsoever to back up their claims and beliefs, the conversation can never go anywhere.
Why does this feel hauntingly familiar...
 
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It wouldn't end well, for anyone. I know exactly how it would go, and I'd wager a fair sum it'd be like this:
He posits one of his 'rhetorical' questions which have answers, I'd put forth the answer. He'd reject that answer with something like 'that's what they want you to think'. I'd point out that my answer is verifiable by dozens of peer reviewed experiments and founded on scientific principles which can be taught (and are) to middle schoolers, who can (and do) perform experiments to verify the physics and principles behind them. That it's not blind faith, it's rational observation. He'd 'counter' with saying public education is indoctrination, that and put forth something he feels is ridiculous which is taught. He would accuse me of being a sheep or a shill, and say that I can't see the truth because I use toothpaste with flouride in it.

I'd point out the whole principle of science is that we can put forth experiments with results which are predictable and able to be reproduced, and that 1) any 'bad' science out there, anyone can do the experiment themselves, and verify the results are different, and expose it as such; and 2) the whole reason it's a thing is because it allows us to collectively know things without everyone having to do every experiment. If there is fake science, just expose it, document performing an experiment which leads to different results. He would mock the very idea of that, and point out that neither he nor I had actually gone to space, and would say that neither of us ever will, because it's impossible.

So I'd ask, if it's all faked and no data can be trusted, what evidence would he accept? If I was the sheep, in what way could someone test his beliefs in such a way to where they could prove them to be wrong? He would put something forth, either something which has already been done and proven or some impossible standard. I'd point out either that the evidence was already there and he was actively refusing to accept it, or that via that impossible standard he was as much as admitting that he would not accept any evidence which ran counter to his beliefs. That he was actively rejecting any evidence he may have been bamboozled, and showing that he was disinterested in learning the truth.

He'd basically say 'no you' and make a bunch of unfounded personal attacks against me. He'd accuse me of being a complete moron and / or a shill actively furthering the interests of nefarious individuals. He would say that there was so much evidence he was correct that it was basically impossible for someone looking at the facts to fail to see the truth, unless they were compromised in some way. He'd put me forth as someone utterly taken by various government programs or something. I'd lash out and say that if I was so compromised how come I'm the only one of us able to comprehend 6th grade science, and challenge him to perform the experiments himself, prove some aspect of the calculations which guide rocket telemetry to be incorrect, or offer forth observational data which would lead to, based on those calculations, an actual different destination than advertised. He'd ban me and then spend the next 1/2 hour talking trash about me, and his ardent followers would leave feeling like I was a fool and he had 'won' the exchange, while those who already thought he was a fool would think that I had 'won' the exchange, and no one, literally no one, would have their minds changed.

Debate is only productive when it's between two individuals whose minds are open. I'm open to actual evidence of just about anything. But when the other side is just throwing up their hands and calling BS on all evidence which exists, while offering literally no evidence whatsoever to back up their claims and beliefs, the conversation can never go anywhere.

B/S/F if you haven't already, I'd highly recommend watching the documentary 'Behind the Curve', I'd recommend it to anyone but I think you would find it interesting and get a lot out of it. I know I did.
Take your blinders off...many of you need them off.
 
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Dude, I've been to a Shuttle Launch. CGI is pretty hard to do when you're there
Mocks do happen...yup. I have a cousin who worked for NASA...Edwards AFB. He helped build some super special wing BS...doesn't mean that it ever went out of the Van Allen radiation belt. Playing pretend is a good fantasy and all, but, prove that it went to the Moon. TV BS doesn't mean jack shit.
 
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I loves me someone who gives a good presentation of the ideas they wants to advance

a guy who presents himself to me in sideview w/ gray hair, gray backdrop wall & clown gray glasses frames while stuffin Fritos in his yap is too fahkin rude and imprude to me to give him the benefit of my audience

I'm supposed to buy that he actually believes his own shit w/ this act? :jerkit:

he can't sell the shit out the shit he's trying me to buy
I'm not selling anything but real. You aren't buying real, because your head is stuck in the clouds. :coffee:
 
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It wouldn't end well, for anyone. I know exactly how it would go, and I'd wager a fair sum it'd be like this:
He posits one of his 'rhetorical' questions which have answers, I'd put forth the answer. He'd reject that answer with something like 'that's what they want you to think'. I'd point out that my answer is verifiable by dozens of peer reviewed experiments and founded on scientific principles which can be taught (and are) to middle schoolers, who can (and do) perform experiments to verify the physics and principles behind them. That it's not blind faith, it's rational observation. He'd 'counter' with saying public education is indoctrination, that and put forth something he feels is ridiculous which is taught. He would accuse me of being a sheep or a shill, and say that I can't see the truth because I use toothpaste with flouride in it.

I'd point out the whole principle of science is that we can put forth experiments with results which are predictable and able to be reproduced, and that 1) any 'bad' science out there, anyone can do the experiment themselves, and verify the results are different, and expose it as such; and 2) the whole reason it's a thing is because it allows us to collectively know things without everyone having to do every experiment. If there is fake science, just expose it, document performing an experiment which leads to different results. He would mock the very idea of that, and point out that neither he nor I had actually gone to space, and would say that neither of us ever will, because it's impossible.

So I'd ask, if it's all faked and no data can be trusted, what evidence would he accept? If I was the sheep, in what way could someone test his beliefs in such a way to where they could prove them to be wrong? He would put something forth, either something which has already been done and proven or some impossible standard. I'd point out either that the evidence was already there and he was actively refusing to accept it, or that via that impossible standard he was as much as admitting that he would not accept any evidence which ran counter to his beliefs. That he was actively rejecting any evidence he may have been bamboozled, and showing that he was disinterested in learning the truth.

He'd basically say 'no you' and make a bunch of unfounded personal attacks against me. He'd accuse me of being a complete moron and / or a shill actively furthering the interests of nefarious individuals. He would say that there was so much evidence he was correct that it was basically impossible for someone looking at the facts to fail to see the truth, unless they were compromised in some way. He'd put me forth as someone utterly taken by various government programs or something. I'd lash out and say that if I was so compromised how come I'm the only one of us able to comprehend 6th grade science, and challenge him to perform the experiments himself, prove some aspect of the calculations which guide rocket telemetry to be incorrect, or offer forth observational data which would lead to, based on those calculations, an actual different destination than advertised. He'd ban me and then spend the next 1/2 hour talking trash about me, and his ardent followers would leave feeling like I was a fool and he had 'won' the exchange, while those who already thought he was a fool would think that I had 'won' the exchange, and no one, literally no one, would have their minds changed.

Debate is only productive when it's between two individuals whose minds are open. I'm open to actual evidence of just about anything. But when the other side is just throwing up their hands and calling BS on all evidence which exists, while offering literally no evidence whatsoever to back up their claims and beliefs, the conversation can never go anywhere.

B/S/F if you haven't already, I'd highly recommend watching the documentary 'Behind the Curve', I'd recommend it to anyone but I think you would find it interesting and get a lot out of it. I know I did.
Should I introduce you to debate Montagraph? I'm serious...you would be eaten alive. BUT, I'd contact him though...if you're man enough. You can't be a pussy though...no cucking out.
 
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It wouldn't end well, for anyone. I know exactly how it would go, and I'd wager a fair sum it'd be like this:
He posits one of his 'rhetorical' questions which have answers, I'd put forth the answer. He'd reject that answer with something like 'that's what they want you to think'. I'd point out that my answer is verifiable by dozens of peer reviewed experiments and founded on scientific principles which can be taught (and are) to middle schoolers, who can (and do) perform experiments to verify the physics and principles behind them. That it's not blind faith, it's rational observation. He'd 'counter' with saying public education is indoctrination, that and put forth something he feels is ridiculous which is taught. He would accuse me of being a sheep or a shill, and say that I can't see the truth because I use toothpaste with flouride in it.

I'd point out the whole principle of science is that we can put forth experiments with results which are predictable and able to be reproduced, and that 1) any 'bad' science out there, anyone can do the experiment themselves, and verify the results are different, and expose it as such; and 2) the whole reason it's a thing is because it allows us to collectively know things without everyone having to do every experiment. If there is fake science, just expose it, document performing an experiment which leads to different results. He would mock the very idea of that, and point out that neither he nor I had actually gone to space, and would say that neither of us ever will, because it's impossible.

So I'd ask, if it's all faked and no data can be trusted, what evidence would he accept? If I was the sheep, in what way could someone test his beliefs in such a way to where they could prove them to be wrong? He would put something forth, either something which has already been done and proven or some impossible standard. I'd point out either that the evidence was already there and he was actively refusing to accept it, or that via that impossible standard he was as much as admitting that he would not accept any evidence which ran counter to his beliefs. That he was actively rejecting any evidence he may have been bamboozled, and showing that he was disinterested in learning the truth.

He'd basically say 'no you' and make a bunch of unfounded personal attacks against me. He'd accuse me of being a complete moron and / or a shill actively furthering the interests of nefarious individuals. He would say that there was so much evidence he was correct that it was basically impossible for someone looking at the facts to fail to see the truth, unless they were compromised in some way. He'd put me forth as someone utterly taken by various government programs or something. I'd lash out and say that if I was so compromised how come I'm the only one of us able to comprehend 6th grade science, and challenge him to perform the experiments himself, prove some aspect of the calculations which guide rocket telemetry to be incorrect, or offer forth observational data which would lead to, based on those calculations, an actual different destination than advertised. He'd ban me and then spend the next 1/2 hour talking trash about me, and his ardent followers would leave feeling like I was a fool and he had 'won' the exchange, while those who already thought he was a fool would think that I had 'won' the exchange, and no one, literally no one, would have their minds changed.

Debate is only productive when it's between two individuals whose minds are open. I'm open to actual evidence of just about anything. But when the other side is just throwing up their hands and calling BS on all evidence which exists, while offering literally no evidence whatsoever to back up their claims and beliefs, the conversation can never go anywhere.

B/S/F if you haven't already, I'd highly recommend watching the documentary 'Behind the Curve', I'd recommend it to anyone but I think you would find it interesting and get a lot out of it. I know I did.
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It wouldn't end well, for anyone. I know exactly how it would go, and I'd wager a fair sum it'd be like this:
He posits one of his 'rhetorical' questions which have answers, I'd put forth the answer. He'd reject that answer with something like 'that's what they want you to think'. I'd point out that my answer is verifiable by dozens of peer reviewed experiments and founded on scientific principles which can be taught (and are) to middle schoolers, who can (and do) perform experiments to verify the physics and principles behind them. That it's not blind faith, it's rational observation. He'd 'counter' with saying public education is indoctrination, that and put forth something he feels is ridiculous which is taught. He would accuse me of being a sheep or a shill, and say that I can't see the truth because I use toothpaste with flouride in it.

I'd point out the whole principle of science is that we can put forth experiments with results which are predictable and able to be reproduced, and that 1) any 'bad' science out there, anyone can do the experiment themselves, and verify the results are different, and expose it as such; and 2) the whole reason it's a thing is because it allows us to collectively know things without everyone having to do every experiment. If there is fake science, just expose it, document performing an experiment which leads to different results. He would mock the very idea of that, and point out that neither he nor I had actually gone to space, and would say that neither of us ever will, because it's impossible.

So I'd ask, if it's all faked and no data can be trusted, what evidence would he accept? If I was the sheep, in what way could someone test his beliefs in such a way to where they could prove them to be wrong? He would put something forth, either something which has already been done and proven or some impossible standard. I'd point out either that the evidence was already there and he was actively refusing to accept it, or that via that impossible standard he was as much as admitting that he would not accept any evidence which ran counter to his beliefs. That he was actively rejecting any evidence he may have been bamboozled, and showing that he was disinterested in learning the truth.

He'd basically say 'no you' and make a bunch of unfounded personal attacks against me. He'd accuse me of being a complete moron and / or a shill actively furthering the interests of nefarious individuals. He would say that there was so much evidence he was correct that it was basically impossible for someone looking at the facts to fail to see the truth, unless they were compromised in some way. He'd put me forth as someone utterly taken by various government programs or something. I'd lash out and say that if I was so compromised how come I'm the only one of us able to comprehend 6th grade science, and challenge him to perform the experiments himself, prove some aspect of the calculations which guide rocket telemetry to be incorrect, or offer forth observational data which would lead to, based on those calculations, an actual different destination than advertised. He'd ban me and then spend the next 1/2 hour talking trash about me, and his ardent followers would leave feeling like I was a fool and he had 'won' the exchange, while those who already thought he was a fool would think that I had 'won' the exchange, and no one, literally no one, would have their minds changed.

Debate is only productive when it's between two individuals whose minds are open. I'm open to actual evidence of just about anything. But when the other side is just throwing up their hands and calling BS on all evidence which exists, while offering literally no evidence whatsoever to back up their claims and beliefs, the conversation can never go anywhere.

B/S/F if you haven't already, I'd highly recommend watching the documentary 'Behind the Curve', I'd recommend it to anyone but I think you would find it interesting and get a lot out of it. I know I did.
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Come on OCTO...don't be a pussy...this would be YT GOLD! PF09, anyone here who dares, come on UP! You aren't a PUSSY, are you? He's OG, he will OWN YOU. But, it would be interesting and all.
 
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Pull your head out of your ass...I mean, the "clouds". Reality will always ground you. At least you can breathe this way...When you dose, you can put the fantasy helmet on for a while I guess.
 
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It wouldn't end well, for anyone. I know exactly how it would go, and I'd wager a fair sum it'd be like this:
He posits one of his 'rhetorical' questions which have answers, I'd put forth the answer. He'd reject that answer with something like 'that's what they want you to think'. I'd point out that my answer is verifiable by dozens of peer reviewed experiments and founded on scientific principles which can be taught (and are) to middle schoolers, who can (and do) perform experiments to verify the physics and principles behind them. That it's not blind faith, it's rational observation. He'd 'counter' with saying public education is indoctrination, that and put forth something he feels is ridiculous which is taught. He would accuse me of being a sheep or a shill, and say that I can't see the truth because I use toothpaste with flouride in it.

I'd point out the whole principle of science is that we can put forth experiments with results which are predictable and able to be reproduced, and that 1) any 'bad' science out there, anyone can do the experiment themselves, and verify the results are different, and expose it as such; and 2) the whole reason it's a thing is because it allows us to collectively know things without everyone having to do every experiment. If there is fake science, just expose it, document performing an experiment which leads to different results. He would mock the very idea of that, and point out that neither he nor I had actually gone to space, and would say that neither of us ever will, because it's impossible.

So I'd ask, if it's all faked and no data can be trusted, what evidence would he accept? If I was the sheep, in what way could someone test his beliefs in such a way to where they could prove them to be wrong? He would put something forth, either something which has already been done and proven or some impossible standard. I'd point out either that the evidence was already there and he was actively refusing to accept it, or that via that impossible standard he was as much as admitting that he would not accept any evidence which ran counter to his beliefs. That he was actively rejecting any evidence he may have been bamboozled, and showing that he was disinterested in learning the truth.

He'd basically say 'no you' and make a bunch of unfounded personal attacks against me. He'd accuse me of being a complete moron and / or a shill actively furthering the interests of nefarious individuals. He would say that there was so much evidence he was correct that it was basically impossible for someone looking at the facts to fail to see the truth, unless they were compromised in some way. He'd put me forth as someone utterly taken by various government programs or something. I'd lash out and say that if I was so compromised how come I'm the only one of us able to comprehend 6th grade science, and challenge him to perform the experiments himself, prove some aspect of the calculations which guide rocket telemetry to be incorrect, or offer forth observational data which would lead to, based on those calculations, an actual different destination than advertised. He'd ban me and then spend the next 1/2 hour talking trash about me, and his ardent followers would leave feeling like I was a fool and he had 'won' the exchange, while those who already thought he was a fool would think that I had 'won' the exchange, and no one, literally no one, would have their minds changed.

Debate is only productive when it's between two individuals whose minds are open. I'm open to actual evidence of just about anything. But when the other side is just throwing up their hands and calling BS on all evidence which exists, while offering literally no evidence whatsoever to back up their claims and beliefs, the conversation can never go anywhere.

B/S/F if you haven't already, I'd highly recommend watching the documentary 'Behind the Curve', I'd recommend it to anyone but I think you would find it interesting and get a lot out of it. I know I did.
I have initiated contact... :coffee:
 
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I'm NOT going away from this BS fairy tale with some airy fairy buttplug insertion. FTS!
 
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