Smart TVs and Boxes/cord cutting

For years now I've done NFL Gamepass with a VPN streaming through a laptop hooked up to my TV. It lets me:

1) Watch any and all games live, for the Pats and any other team in the league.
2) Watch replays of any and all games, in both broadcast format and in "games in 40'", which is such a godsend. All the waiting and commercials are cut out, it's just the raw action continuously and games finish in about 40 minutes as advertised. Great for watching a game you missed but hear was incredible, or watching past games of future opponents.
3) Watch replays of any and all games in their library, including every game from 2012 onwards.
4) Watch NFL Network, Redzone, NFL Films, a few other things. If I was so inclined.

The best part about it is $0 goes to ESPN or other broadcast partners, and I'm ONLY paying for NFL content, not absurd packages I care nothing about. It's not available in the USA though, which is why I use the VPN, as far as they're aware or care I'm in Germany. Still with my internet connection and the VPN I use it streams reliably in HD so it's a non-issue as far as I'm concerned, though I am always watching it like a minute in the past so sometimes fantasy football alerts or a very timely forum post alert me to something which has yet to happen from my perspective.

Probably the best part is all you need to do something like that is have a computer you can connect to something you find adequate for viewing, and which runs Windows. It's worked well enough for me.

I thought I had heard of people doing something like this.

How much does it cost?
And it doesn't matter that your billing address is in the US?
And do you use a paid VPN service or a free one?
 
So I answered a few of my questions. Looks like it is only 50 bucks a year?

And not only can you use your computer, but if you implement a VPN on your router (or on the device if able to) it looks like it is also supported on Xbox One, Apple TV, PS4, Roku, Fire TV and Android TV. This is assumption on my part, but the app that was presented to me from my US IP is supported on all these devices.
 
I thought I had heard of people doing something like this.

How much does it cost?
And it doesn't matter that your billing address is in the US?
And do you use a paid VPN service or a free one?


The cost, anything I quote you would be wrong, it's changed every year. Right now for example it's $50 but it's only for the rest of the season, meaning like nothing (though they still justify it being that high with the ability to watch all the prior games etc). I think I paid $150 for it this year. The big thing to know here is you must sign up while connected using a VPN. There are two versions of NFL Gamepass: The US / UK / Anywhere they have an agreement with DirecTV version, which does NOT offer live games, just replays and the rest of it. That version has a substantially lower cost. Alternately, the "everywhere they don't have an agreement with DirecTV" version, specifically Germany works for it. When you go to the sign up page the key to look for is the keyword "live games", as that's the difference of course, and the cost is higher. It should be noted that if you don't care about the live games (you already have a system for them or whatever) and just want the games in 40' and replays etc the US version is obviously fine and you can skip the VPN altogether.

The billing address being in the US has been a total non-issue so far. There are ways to do it if it does become an issue, but as long as you sign up when connected to non-US internet (using the VPN), on the site where it says "live games", they take US billing info no problem and still deliver the promised content. If you accidentally connect when not using VPN it'll even just say something like "you are connected from outside your (region), would you like to sign up for the US Gamepass?", and going back to the website when on VPN loads it normally, so you don't have to worry about "tipping them off" or anything crazy, it's all easy peasy, low stress stuff.

I use a paid VPN, because it's important to me that:
1) The VPN I use is reliable
2) The VPN I use is secure (including keeping no logs)
3) The VPN I use offers decent speeds.
Free VPNs rarely hit one of those, and never hit all 3. The one I use is Private Internet Access and it's cheap, something like $20 per year, while still delivering on those key points. It offers a variety of US connect locations and overseas ones including the all important German one for this purpose.
 
Thanks much for the info. Great knowledge to have going forward as another alternative option.

Can you quantify how much slow down (if you have noticed any at all) you have had from the overhead of the VPN? This might be a factor if you are not super high speed to begin with.
 
Thanks much for the info. Great knowledge to have going forward as another alternative option.

Can you quantify how much slow down (if you have noticed any at all) you have had from the overhead of the VPN? This might be a factor if you are not super high speed to begin with.

Yeah, using German servers I add a *lot* to my latency (the delay between when you tell something to happen and when it happens), so webpages load substantially slower. However the actual download speed (how fast you load content once it's coming your way) is only cut by 25% or so. Using ethernet I go from roughly 100mbps to 80mbps, and when on wireless on my network it goes from 25mbps to 20mbps. 15mbps is what you need to stream high definition content reliably, in my experience.

The biggest thing I would recommend, in the event you are on a slower internet connection but are considering using a VPN while streaming high definition content, is to ensure you'll have a wired connection available, rather than being wireless. There are "powerline kits" which plug into power outlets near your router, with a matching unit that plugs in where you want an ethernet plug. They aren't that expensive, they work well, and they don't require running wires through your walls, and they give you the ability to use an ethernet connection instead of being wireless. That can make all the difference in the world, and then even on DSL connections the setup I mentioned should be fine.

If you're running too slow of a connection it'll mainly affect the highest definition it can stream. It can make it anywhere from constant high definition content, to "looking a lot like tube tvs in the 90s there" content, to "wow is that super techmo bowl" content. But it'll still run. The very best part is Gamepass has a 7 day free trial, so if you're borderline for being able to make it work (http://www.speedtest.net/ shows you at 15mbps or under) you really just want to wait until you're ready to test streaming a live game. If it works well, great, if not, just cancel, no harm no foul.

As an aside, I can't wait until the NFL next renegotiates their broadcast rights because I see NO WAY they allow DirecTV's deal to prevent them from offering this in the USA once they do.
 
So I answered a few of my questions. Looks like it is only 50 bucks a year?

And not only can you use your computer, but if you implement a VPN on your router (or on the device if able to) it looks like it is also supported on Xbox One, Apple TV, PS4, Roku, Fire TV and Android TV. This is assumption on my part, but the app that was presented to me from my US IP is supported on all these devices.

It's more like 100 bucks for the season and then they discount it as the season goes on. It used to let you download the games on mobile devices for offline replay, but they stopped that last year (I think)
 
Just hooked up the Roku Ultra ($99). My wife wanted the ability to record and this has a memory card slot.

I have a trial of DirecTVNow. Chose the cheapest package ($35 monthly)

Ethernet from the router (wireless was pixellating)

I need Showtime (Ray Donovan and Billions) and I would like STARZ (Power) but that brings me up to $53 out of pocket. I'm saving $140 (net $87) from cable but I don't get CBS. I've got a Clearstream HD antenna in the attic and I get every network in the area except CBS.

Might be a deal breaker.
 
Just hooked up the Roku Ultra ($99). My wife wanted the ability to record and this has a memory card slot.

I have a trial of DirecTVNow. Chose the cheapest package ($35 monthly)

Ethernet from the router (wireless was pixellating)

I need Showtime (Ray Donovan and Billions) and I would like STARZ (Power) but that brings me up to $53 out of pocket. I'm saving $140 (net $87) from cable but I don't get CBS. I've got a Clearstream HD antenna in the attic and I get every network in the area except CBS.

Might be a deal breaker.
Can do CBS All Access for $6 a month.

And yeah G.O., I've been using power line Ethernet for at least 5 years now. Whole home theater connected to it with a 10 port switch. Much better than wireless.

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Right now I just have hulu , Netflixs & digital antenna . It only picks up NBC. That's cheaper then $25 spectrum TV app. You only get 10 channels & locals
 
Ended up being an idiot again, but our current cable company gave us an incredible deal when I threatened to cut the TV part of our subscription off.

So we have a lot of channels, Amazon Prime and Netflix now -- I don't watch very much TV anyway, though, so it's mostly just for the children and live soccer/basketball/football from my perspective. Although last season I successfully boycotted the NFL the entire season and didn't watch a single minute (I don't think so anyway). Either way, long story short: should have cut the cord but ended up being a softie and didn't.

New internet connection they threw in is great though. 350mbit which usually averages around 200. It feels nice.
 
How difficult is it to watch live sports, Darth?


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I get the local channels with HULU so sports on the whole is pretty easy.

I think I may need to pirate the Bruins unless NESN smartens up and makes themselves available on large platforms for less money
 
This thread is a bit old, and I didn't participate much, but I thought I would renew it for discussion.

My current setup:
  • I canceled DISH 1 year ago after being a customer for 20 years.
  • I subscribe to YouTubeTV only during the football season to watch live Patriots games. After thorough testing, they offer the best live picture.
  • Still a Netflix customer, had to upgrade for 4k content as I bought a new OLED this year to replace the Plasma.
  • Still a Prime customer. Still worth it, especially this year, for the shipping alone.
  • Just about a month ago, Verizon Wireless changed their unlimited wireless plans. I now have Disney+, Hulu, and ESPN+ for free. I pay an extra $6 to get rid of ads on Hulu. They have a TON of content there now.
  • Currently on a trial for CBS All Access. They blow, but lots of new Star Trek content.


I also use a questionable service if there is anything I HAVE to see that isn't anywhere else.

All of this I stream through an Nvidia Shield to my home theater receiver and then to the OLED.

What you got?
 
Just using my hardwired Fire TV and Beast TV.... it literally has every channel, even PPV's for 14 bucks a month on the auto renewal plan. that for 4 devices and 2 IP's. Local stations from all over the country too plus Gamepass, MLB, all that shit. If you can't find something to watch then you are unpleasable. I think there's a way to make it DVR too.
 
Thanks for the name of a recommended IPTV service. I had not heard of Beast TV, but that is kind of what I meant when I said I also use a more questionable service. But yeah, you can probably use Plex integration or something to record.

Literally, the only thing I watch live anymore is Patriots games. I tried a bunch of different ways to get them, but bitrate and frame rate are high up on my priority list for choosing.
 
This thread is a bit old, and I didn't participate much, but I thought I would renew it for discussion.

My current setup:
  • I canceled DISH 1 year ago after being a customer for 20 years.
  • I subscribe to YouTubeTV only during the football season to watch live Patriots games. After thorough testing, they offer the best live picture.
  • Still a Netflix customer, had to upgrade for 4k content as I bought a new OLED this year to replace the Plasma.
  • Still a Prime customer. Still worth it, especially this year, for the shipping alone.
  • Just about a month ago, Verizon Wireless changed their unlimited wireless plans. I now have Disney+, Hulu, and ESPN+ for free. I pay an extra $6 to get rid of ads on Hulu. They have a TON of content there now.
  • Currently on a trial for CBS All Access. They blow, but lots of new Star Trek content.


I also use a questionable service if there is anything I HAVE to see that isn't anywhere else.

All of this I stream through an Nvidia Shield to my home theater receiver and then to the OLED.

What you got?

As you know I bought a similar OLED TV based originally on your rec. And it's freaking awesome.

I use YouTubeTV for games and stuff but 65 bucks is awfully expensive for that.

Have a Roku stick and get a bunch through that. And I also have some questionable services for stuff.

I use Plex on my Roku for content on my PC and it's awesome
 
I use YouTubeTV for games and stuff but 65 bucks is awfully expensive for that.

It really is. I tried CBS All Access, the CBS Sports App, Locast, and then some free streams. None of them compared in quality. I was particularly disappointed in All Accces. The games were in 30fps and just awful.

The FOX and NBC apps are fine natively for football if you have credentials. FOX looks particularly good.
 
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