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chevss454 said:
Care to look at the current roster and find the spots that need upgrading by a rookie?
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Definitely TE and WR. Stidham needs more than Edelperson. Maybe Sanu is better once he's healthy again. Maybe Harry hits his stride in the offense. Maybe neither do. Edelperson is the only guy we know can put up numbers in this offense.

The TE group is as good as a bag of corpses right now.
 
chevss454 said:
Care to look at the current roster and find the spots that need upgrading by a rookie?
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Sure.

Just a quick run thru your list, which is a fine projection don’t get me wrong.

Bentley- he came on strong but since... what do we know? MLB could be an upgrade.

HT- Love him. Nobody besides TB and JE make as many playoff plays. But wear n tear and overall health. We need a pipeline guy.

A Fattie to replace Shelton.

Nobody will look at our Edge group and say AWESOME!

QB - unless we’re 100% sure Stid is the future.

Michel - I'd do whatever I could to move him and land Dillon.

Mason - cost vs production

Cannon- cost vs production plus health concerns

Eluemenor - our of shape, unless you consider round a shape

LaCosse & Izzo- maybe they should start a law firm

The only WR locks are JE, Sanu(by investment cost), and Harry

And add a K.
 
Dwight Schrute said:
And add a K.
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Rodrigo "Hot Rod" Blankenship AKA the best K in the 2020 draft.

Wears thick specs and pink cleats.

6 for 9 from beyond 50 yards over his career at Georgia. Raw leg strength with loud contact in his swing and proper trajectory even from distance. Good at kicking through the EZ not that we need that with Bailey, but you never know. Tends to get off kilter and bunches his misses.

440 points as a Bulldog with an 82.5 accuracy.

Bill has a proven track record of expending useful draft picks for punters and kickers, so he's not a far-fetched projection to be a Patriot.
 
Hawg73 said:
Rodrigo "Hot Rod" Blankenship AKA the best K in the 2020 draft.

Wears thick specs and pink cleats.

6 for 9 from beyond 50 yards over his career at Georgia. Raw leg strength with loud contact in his swing and proper trajectory even from distance. Good at kicking through the EZ not that we need that with Bailey, but you never know. Tends to get off kilter and bunches his misses.

440 points as a Bulldog with an 82.5 accuracy.

Bill has a proven track record of expending useful draft picks for punters and kickers, so he's not a far-fetched projection to be a Patriot.
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Why does my minds eye formulate a cross between Sebastian Janakowski and the Hanson brothers on SlapShot?
 
Thanks DS!


Dwight Schrute said:
Sure.

Just a quick run thru your list, which is a fine projection don’t get me wrong.

Bentley- he came on strong but since... what do we know? MLB could be an upgrade. Bentley is a lock bc young, knows the D, cheap and improving quickly. I can't give you Bentley.

HT- Love him. Nobody besides TB and JE make as many playoff plays. But wear n tear and overall health. We need a pipeline guy. I've already said we need a LB but HT won't be subject to an upgrade.

A Fattie to replace Shelton. Got him. Beau Allen 4/3 front. Only depth needed now - maybe a 3rd day fattie.

Nobody will look at our Edge group and say AWESOME! But John Simon, Chase Winovich and Brandon Copeland aren't being replaced this year. All are locks.

QB - unless we’re 100% sure Stid is the future. Naturally.

Michel - I'd do whatever I could to move him and land Dillon. Hey! No fair. Personal biases don't sway BB. Nevertheless I'll give you Michel but Dillon won't be replacing Michel. He'll replace Develin or Burkhead.

Mason - cost vs production Sorry but nope, Mason isn't going anywhere

Cannon- cost vs production plus health concerns This is very possible but only for cap reasons, not for an upgrade.

Eluemenor - our of shape, unless you consider round a shape Just re-signed to a nice round contract. He's staying most likely and probably a lock as depth.

LaCosse & Izzo- maybe they should start a law firm Both could stay; either could go. BUT there's really only 2 inline TEs in this draft and we don't have a 2nd round pick so there's that. Maybe a waiver wire pickup.

The only WR locks are JE, Sanu(by investment cost), and Harry Don't forget Byrd. Meyers has a good chance to stay but, ok, he's not a lock. WR is already a position of need as we've discussed. The starters aren't being replaced, however.

And add a K. I already accounted for a kicker to come up with 49 locks.
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I'll give you 1 of Izzo/LaCosse. STs enters in here though.


I can't give you Eluemenor. Fat draft equity was traded for him and he just signed a fat new contract. No can do.


Cannon we've discussed as a possibility for restructure, trade or release for cap savings. I can't give you Cannon - for cap reasons only.


I've already counted LB as a position of need.



A WR need is already on the board but the addition of Byrd means the starters are set and locked.



OK, you came up with 2 of my locks who can be upgraded -> Michel and TE with a 3rd if you count Stidham which I don't unless it's by a $10M/ veteran who knows the system already and I don't see any of those guys anywhere. The only QBs in the draft I see possibly toppling Stidham are Burrow, Tua, & less likely Herbert. Love and Eason are developmental guys starting from scratch in our system; Fromm is a lesser Stidham - forget the Fromm talk. I'm riding with Stidham.
 
Dwight Schrute said:
12 picks already for next year.

I think we can all agree we are probably better prepared for this draft than any other organization. Bills strength is film. The personal interviews will get full review and filter. I like, no LOVE, our odds in finding guys and even more importantly the odds of other teams really screwing the pooch on this one. He may be getting players they value at 2nd or 3rd round in rounds 6-7.

That being said I’m more inclined to select THIS year, when we have such an advantage presenting itself. Why move to 14 or 16 picks in ‘21 when the playing field will even out?

Utilize the full advantage Belichick provides.
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Plenty of ammo to trade up for Lawrence.
 
Scouting paradigms from BB, 1991. His thoughts then are not much different than now. Pay special attention to QB notes. Decision maker and accuracy trump arm strength.

Daniel Jeremiah@MoveTheSticks
I think you’ll enjoy this... We were given this handout during a scout school from my time with the Ravens. Coach Belichick has held true to almost all of this over the years.




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Awesome read!

Maybe Bill has recently referenced back to this. The Vitale signing fits. And Dillon seems tailor made to that script. Maybe he’s very high on Bill’s board.
 
So here is by position how many players were visited by Patriots


WR — 12
TE — 6
DB — 4
QB — 3
OL — 3
DL — 2
RB — 2
LB — 1
 
WR & TE has to be a top need. They need someone to play next to Harry. Right now the top 3 options are Harry, Sanu & Edelman. TE's last year couldn't catch or Block worth Shit.
 
king of kings said:
WR & TE has to be a top need. They need someone to play next to Harry. Right now the top 3 options are Harry, Sanu & Edelman. TE's last year couldn't catch or Block worth Shit.
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As far as I'm concerned, we have zero TEs on the roster right now. Lacosse sucked in college and he's absolutely terrible at the NFL level. Izzo was a JAG at FSU and he isn't even that level in the NFL. I don't know the cap implications, but I wish both could be released today.
 
PatriotInIndy said:
As far as I'm concerned, we have zero TEs on the roster right now. Lacosse sucked in college and he's absolutely terrible at the NFL level. Izzo was a JAG at FSU and he isn't even that level in the NFL. I don't know the cap implications, but I wish both could be released today.
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Draft is not deep either
 
I did another mock today on the draft networks, https://thedraftnetwork.com/mock-draft-machine (draft by prediction) and found some big changes in the player positioning that could help the Pats. The most significant change in the past month is how the WR position is being pushed down by a run on front 7 players & 5 OTs. Only 3 QBs - Burrow, Tua to Miami, Herbert to Chargers.



Here's my draft using the draft network's predictive board through round 4 only.


  • Team Needs - Picks in bold.

    • QB, WR, EDGE, IOL, TE, LB, OT, CB, IDL, S

  • 23. Jerry Jeudy, WR Alabama
  • 87 Brycen Hopkins, TE Purdue
  • 98 Ben Bartch, OT St. John
  • 100 Rashard Lawrence, IDL LSU
  • 125 Nick Coe, EDGE Auburn
If BB can't find a trading partner for these picks, I'd be ecstatic with this draft. If the draft comes to the Pats like this I think BB would have a tough time trading down or out.

Ruggs was the first WR off the board, to the Raiders, naturally, at 12. CeeDee Lamb was 2nd with pick 13 to the 9ers.





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This is what I got when I used their "player rankings" mode. Tua? Crazy...
23. QB Tua Tagovailoa Alabama

87. OT Isaiah Wilson Georgia
98. EDGE Kenny Willekes Mich St
100. IDL Rashard Lawrence LSU
125. Slot WR Quartney Davis Texas A&M
 
PatriotInIndy said:
I know. Really bad year to not have a viable TE on your roster.

Hoping we can grab Moss and then roll the dice on Okwuegbunam.
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Moss had a very nice late season for LSU and a lot of Patriots fans took notice, myself among them.

Now that I've begun researching the draft a little, I find that nobody really likes Moss to be any more than an OK prospect who can block but isn't much of an athlete and will get blanketed by pro DBs.

I'm having some trouble with those reports based on the evidence gathered by my lyin' eyes. That dude is at the very least an upgrade over LaCosse and Izzo with very little out there in FA. If we can land him, then that'd be more than fine with me. It wouldn't be the first time all the "experts" came up with an opinion that became the consensus and were proved wrong.

We don't need another Gronk, the greatest TE in football history. We need somebody that can block and chip in with some catches and Moss can get that job done.
 
Hawg73 said:
Moss had a very nice late season for LSU and a lot of Patriots fans took notice, myself among them.

Now that I've begun researching the draft a little, I find that nobody really likes Moss to be any more than an OK prospect who can block but isn't much of an athlete and will get blanketed by pro DBs.

I'm having some trouble with those reports based on the evidence gathered by my lyin' eyes. That dude is at the very least an upgrade over LaCosse and Izzo with very little out there in FA. If we can land him, then that'd be more than fine with me. It wouldn't be the first time all the "experts" came up with an opinion that became the consensus and were proved wrong.

We don't need another Gronk, the greatest TE in football history. We need somebody that can block and chip in with some catches and Moss can get that job done.
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Sadly, there's not really a TE in this class who is considered "any more than an OK prospect" so Thaddeus would be good as any.
 
chevss454 said:
I did another mock today on the draft networks, https://thedraftnetwork.com/mock-draft-machine (draft by prediction) and found some big changes in the player positioning that could help the Pats. The most significant change in the past month is how the WR position is being pushed down by a run on front 7 players & 5 OTs. Only 3 QBs - Burrow, Tua to Miami, Herbert to Chargers.



Here's my draft using the draft network's predictive board through round 4 only.


  • Team Needs - Picks in bold.

    • QB, WR, EDGE, IOL, TE, LB, OT, CB, IDL, S

  • 23. Jerry Jeudy, WR Alabama
  • 87 Brycen Hopkins, TE Purdue
  • 98 Ben Bartch, OT St. John
  • 100 Rashard Lawrence, IDL LSU
  • 125 Nick Coe, EDGE Auburn
If BB can't find a trading partner for these picks, I'd be ecstatic with this draft. If the draft comes to the Pats like this I think BB would have a tough time trading down or out.

Ruggs was the first WR off the board, to the Raiders, naturally, at 12. CeeDee Lamb was 2nd with pick 13 to the 9ers.





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This is what I got when I used their "player rankings" mode. Tua? Crazy...
23. QB Tua Tagovailoa Alabama

87. OT Isaiah Wilson Georgia
98. EDGE Kenny Willekes Mich St
100. IDL Rashard Lawrence LSU
125. Slot WR Quartney Davis Texas A&M
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I just went through all seven rounds on their simulator and it convinced me that we'll try to shop 23 for a 2nd and a 3rd or something. I ended up with Patrick Queen at 23, which is plausible enough as he is sort of a smaller KVN, but the gap between 23 and 87 is just massive.

I wouldn't be surprised to see us draft Rashard Lawrence. I've probably seen him play 10 times over the last two seasons and he's an active, tough DL who enjoys beating the shit out of opponents. He's the guy that tackles a back and manages to land on top of him by "accident". He's not as big as Shelton, but plays a similar game.

Guys like him get discounted in the draft because he isn't a "pass-rusher", but we don't draft those guys anyhow, so he'd be a pretty good fit, imo.
 
Hawg73 said:
Moss had a very nice late season for LSU and a lot of Patriots fans took notice, myself among them.

Now that I've begun researching the draft a little, I find that nobody really likes Moss to be any more than an OK prospect who can block but isn't much of an athlete and will get blanketed by pro DBs.

I'm having some trouble with those reports based on the evidence gathered by my lyin' eyes. That dude is at the very least an upgrade over LaCosse and Izzo with very little out there in FA. If we can land him, then that'd be more than fine with me. It wouldn't be the first time all the "experts" came up with an opinion that became the consensus and were proved wrong.

We don't need another Gronk, the greatest TE in football history. We need somebody that can block and chip in with some catches and Moss can get that job done.
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A wooden shoe would be an upgrade over both of them. We have the worst TEs in the league by a wide margin.

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chevss454 said:
I did another mock today on the draft networks, https://thedraftnetwork.com/mock-draft-machine (draft by prediction) and found some big changes in the player positioning that could help the Pats. The most significant change in the past month is how the WR position is being pushed down by a run on front 7 players & 5 OTs. Only 3 QBs - Burrow, Tua to Miami, Herbert to Chargers.



Here's my draft using the draft network's predictive board through round 4 only.


  • Team Needs - Picks in bold.

    • QB, WR, EDGE, IOL, TE, LB, OT, CB, IDL, S

  • 23. Jerry Jeudy, WR Alabama
  • 87 Brycen Hopkins, TE Purdue
  • 98 Ben Bartch, OT St. John
  • 100 Rashard Lawrence, IDL LSU
  • 125 Nick Coe, EDGE Auburn
If BB can't find a trading partner for these picks, I'd be ecstatic with this draft. If the draft comes to the Pats like this I think BB would have a tough time trading down or out.

Ruggs was the first WR off the board, to the Raiders, naturally, at 12. CeeDee Lamb was 2nd with pick 13 to the 9ers.





edit:
This is what I got when I used their "player rankings" mode. Tua? Crazy...
23. QB Tua Tagovailoa Alabama

87. OT Isaiah Wilson Georgia
98. EDGE Kenny Willekes Mich St
100. IDL Rashard Lawrence LSU
125. Slot WR Quartney Davis Texas A&M
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Jeudy to the Pats? My pants are already off. :party:
 
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