Week 7, 49ers at Patriots

1. Pats will cover as 3.5 point favorites - yay or nay

  • yes - Pats get back on track

  • no - JimmyG has a career game

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It’s because he thinks he can coach up anyone.

It’s ego
 
Mazz22 said:
I get that but it has been 3 years Chevvs since Jimmy was traded. What has Bill done at the QB spot? It has been reported that Brady wanted an extension after Jimmy was traded. He did not extend Brady which is fine but then no plan to either draft or trade for a competent QB in 3 off-seasons? That is the part that is so un-Bill like and why we are in the mess we are at the most critical position.
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BB has to address the QB in next year's draft!
 
Big/Sky/Fly said:
BB has to address the QB in next year's draft!
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I would like for us to take the necessary draft capital and identify the guy we want and go get him. I am not confident it will happen but in just the last couple of drafts we could have had Jackson with our natural #1 pick or Jordan Love, just to name 2. We have to scout our butts off and find a competent guy.
 
Mazz22 said:
I get that but it has been 3 years Chevvs since Jimmy was traded. What has Bill done at the QB spot? It has been reported that Brady wanted an extension after Jimmy was traded. He did not extend Brady which is fine but then no plan to either draft or trade for a competent QB in 3 off-seasons? That is the part that is so un-Bill like and why we are in the mess we are at the most critical position.
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Pretend you're the GM. A rookie or even 1 yr QB isn't the answer for 2020. BB has always used veteran FA to fill positions of need before the draft. He's done that every year I can remember.
This past year BB had no cap to sign a good veteran FA QB. He wasn't good with rolling with Stidham but his hands were tied. Now add in all the opt-outs he had to replace with what little cap and time he had. No money = very limited options. Then Cam came along.

Brady did want an extension but BB wasn't convinced he was worth that investment gamble so he gave 1 year contracts and paid money forward as signing bonuses. Plus, don't forget, Kraft wanted Brady. Maybe BB leaned on Kraft's relationship with Brady too much. Either way Brady left and BB was left with his huge cap hit and little cap space. To me, it was a case of timing and circumstances - it was what it was. Ok, so plan B didn't look so good bc of no money but maybe something would come up. The QBs in the draft last year after the first 2 were worse options than Stidham. So FA it had to be with no money to spend. BB didn't like it any more than we do - he was stuck between a rock and a hard place. Time moves on...
 
chevss454 said:
Best in the charlatan business? Look up his history sometime. Concussion water is a real thing for him but there's so much more, such as lying about being a Doctor.
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It's got, electrolytes:

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It was initially easy to laugh at Russell Wilson 's bubbles-cured-my-concussion claims. It was giggle fuel. He was also claiming the bubbles healed a teammate's knee injury. Silly stuff...
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chevss454 said:
Pretend you're the GM. A rookie or even 1 yr QB isn't the answer for 2020. BB has always used veteran FA to fill positions of need before the draft. He's done that every year I can remember.
This past year BB had no cap to sign a good veteran FA QB. He wasn't good with rolling with Stidham but his hands were tied. Now add in all the opt-outs he had to replace with what little cap and time he had. No money = very limited options. Then Cam came along.

Brady did want an extension but BB wasn't convinced he was worth that investment gamble so he gave 1 year contracts and paid money forward as signing bonuses. Plus, don't forget, Kraft wanted Brady. Maybe BB leaned on Kraft's relationship with Brady too much. Either way Brady left and BB was left with his huge cap hit and little cap space. To me, it was a case of timing and circumstances - it was what it was. Ok, so plan B didn't look so good bc of no money but maybe something would come up. The QBs in the draft last year after the first 2 were worse options than Stidham. So FA it had to be with no money to spend. BB didn't like it any more than we do. Time moves on...
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You are only focusing on this year. Jimmy was traded in 2017. Bill had that off-season and 2018, 2019 to identify a QB in the draft. I won't take the time to list all the QBs we could have drafted but needless to say, we could have had a QB to develop much better than Stidham and Danny Etling. Brady was on a very good deal to boot so we had cap or we could have made room but again cap management also falls on Bill too. We also could have spent draft capital to move around the board and get a QB. As you said, we also could have looked at a FA QBs but all Bill has done is bring back Hoyer who is horrible and sign Cam at the 11th hour. That is not good enough at QB. Especially when he has had 3 off-seasons to get someone competent.
 
Mazz22 said:
You are only focusing on this year. Jimmy was traded in 2017. Bill had that off-season and 2018, 2019 to identify a QB in the draft. I won't take the time to list all the QBs we could have drafted but needless to say, we could have had a QB to develop much better than Stidham and Danny Etling. Brady was on a very good deal to boot so we had cap or we could have made room but again cap management also falls on Bill too. We also could have spent draft capital to move around the board and get a QB. As you said, we also could have looked at a FA QBs but all Bill has done is bring back Hoyer who is horrible and sign Cam at the 11th hour. That is not good enough at QB. Especially when he has had 3 off-seasons to get someone competent.
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No I did't. You must have missed where I said BB wanted to give Brady those 1 year deals.
"Brady did want an extension but BB wasn't convinced he was worth that investment gamble so he gave 1 year contracts and paid money forward as signing bonuses."

When you win a SB you're drafting too low to get a prime QB. Here's a challenge for you, name a QB that BB could have drafted who is better than Stidham & who looked like a franchise guy.
 
chevss454 said:
No I did't. You must have missed where I said BB wanted to give Brady those 1 year deals.
"Brady did want an extension but BB wasn't convinced he was worth that investment gamble so he gave 1 year contracts and paid money forward as signing bonuses."

When you win a SB you're drafting too low to get a prime QB. Here's a challenge for you, name a QB that BB could have drafted who is better than Stidham & who looked like a franchise guy.
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I think Minshew might be decent with the right help...the Jags aren't really coaching him up imo.
 
chevss454 said:
No I did't. You must have missed where I said BB wanted to give Brady those 1 year deals.
"Brady did want an extension but BB wasn't convinced he was worth that investment gamble so he gave 1 year contracts and paid money forward as signing bonuses."

When you win a SB you're drafting too low to get a prime QB. Here's a challenge for you, name a QB that BB could have drafted who is better than Stidham & who looked like a franchise guy.
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This has nothing to do with Brady and his contract. We are talking about drafting a QB and there are too many QBs to list that would have been better than Stidham who was taken in the 4th round and Danny Etling in the 7th but Lamar Jackson was sitting there for us with our natural #1 pick. Also, how about spending some draft capital to move up?
It is strange to me that you are defending this. I get that you will defend the Pats to the ends of the earth but really this isn't debatable by anyone. Every single football pundit, analyst agree that Bill royally screwed up the QB position after having the best QB room with Brady, Jimmy and Brissett. All 3 are gone and we are left with Hoyer, Stid and Cam Newton. It is surreal on so many levels by a GM whose mantra is getting the next guy sooner rather than later.
 
chevss454 said:
No I did't. You must have missed where I said BB wanted to give Brady those 1 year deals.
"Brady did want an extension but BB wasn't convinced he was worth that investment gamble so he gave 1 year contracts and paid money forward as signing bonuses."

When you win a SB you're drafting too low to get a prime QB. Here's a challenge for you, name a QB that BB could have drafted who is better than Stidham & who looked like a franchise guy.
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I cant because I have not had a chance to see what Stidham is. For all I know he is the second coming, but you have to find that out or whats the point?
 
Mazz22 said:
This has nothing to do with Brady and his contract. We are talking about drafting a QB and there are too many QBs to list that would have been better than Stidham who was taken in the 4th round and Danny Etling in the 7th but Lamar Jackson was sitting there for us with our natural #1 pick. Also, how about spending some draft capital to move up?
It is strange to me that you are defending this. I get that you will defend the Pats to the ends of the earth but really this isn't debatable by anyone. Every single football pundit, analyst agree that Bill royally screwed up the QB position after having the best QB room with Brady, Jimmy and Brissett. All 3 are gone and we are left with Hoyer, Stid and Cam Newton. It is surreal on so many levels by a GM whose mantra is getting the next guy sooner rather than later.
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I have a hard time blaming Bill even though I see where you are coming from. I think Bill was put in a bad spot because Brady didnt start sucking. That would have made everything easier if Brady would have just fell apart or got hurt. Bill drafted JG because he knew Brady was getting older, Brady played through JG's contract and JG was ready to go and I dont blame him. Niners gave him big money. Bill then went out and drafted Stidham who they liked, but we have not see Stidham. I am not in agreement with Bill on not playing stiidham and going out and getting Cam, because that seemed like he was trying to not fall hard in a rebuilding year, call it ego or whatever, but it is what it is, but now he has a decision to make. Do you just continue to run Cam out there and Hope he gets out of a funk so you can have the 20th pick instead of the 10th pick, or do you see what you have in Stidham.
 
We have 2 firsts and a second tied up in Harry, Sanu, and Sony. That’s some pretty good draft capital to have addressed the QB position. Or linebacker for that matter.

Cam hasn’t been great. He’s had a good attitude though and I don’t know any QB in the league who would do well in this offense.

Well maybe one :)
 
Mazz22 said:
This has nothing to do with Brady and his contract. We are talking about drafting a QB and there are too many QBs to list that would have been better than Stidham who was taken in the 4th round and Danny Etling in the 7th but Lamar Jackson was sitting there for us with our natural #1 pick. Also, how about spending some draft capital to move up?
It is strange to me that you are defending this. I get that you will defend the Pats to the ends of the earth but really this isn't debatable by anyone. Every single football pundit, analyst agree that Bill royally screwed up the QB position after having the best QB room with Brady, Jimmy and Brissett. All 3 are gone and we are left with Hoyer, Stid and Cam Newton. It is surreal on so many levels by a GM whose mantra is getting the next guy sooner rather than later.
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I'm really not defending BB. I'm laying out the circumstances as they were.
The situation has everything to do with Brady and his contract. If he'd have played for free I'm quite certain he'd still be here.
Do you really think BB would have drafted LJackson with a 1st round pick? I mean, he's not exactly a fit in our O.
 
Mazz22 said:
This has nothing to do with Brady and his contract. We are talking about drafting a QB and there are too many QBs to list that would have been better than Stidham who was taken in the 4th round and Danny Etling in the 7th but Lamar Jackson was sitting there for us with our natural #1 pick. Also, how about spending some draft capital to move up?
It is strange to me that you are defending this. I get that you will defend the Pats to the ends of the earth but really this isn't debatable by anyone. Every single football pundit, analyst agree that Bill royally screwed up the QB position after having the best QB room with Brady, Jimmy and Brissett. All 3 are gone and we are left with Hoyer, Stid and Cam Newton. It is surreal on so many levels by a GM whose mantra is getting the next guy sooner rather than later.
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It has to do with Brady like it or not, because that cap hit was big enough to make it difficult to lure in a veteran QB to replace him while still keeping him on the roster. Also, while being contenders, does it sound like BB to move up in the draft to draft a QB while you have the best to ever do it there? That's just not how BB operates.
 
chevss454 said:
I'm really not defending BB. I'm laying out the circumstances as they were.

Do you really think BB would have drafted LJackson with a 1st round pick? I mean, he's not exactly a fit in our O.
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No, and I do not think he is a fit in our offense. He is a good player, but he is already showing signs that he is not going to be long for this world unless he can become a better consistent passer.
 
rivshark86 said:
We have 2 firsts and a second tied up in Harry, Sanu, and Sony. That’s some pretty good draft capital to have addressed the QB position. Or linebacker for that matter.

Cam hasn’t been great. He’s had a good attitude though and I don’t know any QB in the league who would do well in this offense.

Well maybe one :)
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Spread out over 3 years though. BB has been the best at manipulating the draft. I can't criticize him for that. I can criticize him for some of his choices who haven't panned out though.
 
I mean the bottom line to me, is I cannot jump BB about anything at this point. We are having a down year, its a year that is more down than we have had since 2000. It was bound to happen. There was some major turnover this year, that
literally no team would be the same. Every team in football save the Pats have went through major ugly bad years. Its not what we are used to recently, so its been a bit harder to take. Bill took over a team that he went 5-11 with and they became what they were the lat 20 years, so it can be done again, but yeah its going to take the right kind of QB, and that might not just fall in our laps. Its hard for me to say now that what he does is wrong when it worked before. I have been distressed about what he put on offense at times, but he had a QB that could make things work, this allowed him to concentrate on other area's that were needed in order to have the success we had. Defense, special teams, Oline, etc. Now things just change, he is going to have to look at upgrading the skills position more. But, its been a short time here. We have not had a bad offense for 10 years. When that happens then I can point the finger a bit.
 
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