You responded to riv shark whose last comment was Brady should still be here.
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Right, but I didnt post that he did. I responded to his post but didnt mention where Brady should be. I have long said that Brady wanted to leave and it was great for him when he did. The pats did not really have a lot of choices on resigning him.
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The pick was given an A here. The Bucs are drafting purely based on luxury as they are stacked at every position with a ton of depth. They took a pass rusher because JPP is getting up there in age as well as Suh and Gholston so this guy will give them a break for a few series a game. That is the type of position they are in where they can draft in the first round for a specific skill set to help their stars. That is what happens when you have been hitting the draft out of the park since 2015 and then you land the GOAT in FA.R1 (32) TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS: EDGE JOE TRYON, WASHINGTON
Pick Grade: Poor
He boasts ideal size, length and explosiveness and features a menacing bull rush. We just didn’t see those dominant reps on a consistent basis, and that bull rush was about all he had to his name. He posted a middling 71.9 pass-rush grade in 2019 (opted out in 2020), and nearly half of his 41 pressures that year were unblocked or clean-ups. He’s a work in progress, but the reigning Super Bowl champions can afford to take a chance on him.
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- Washington OLB Joe Tryon (No. 32 overall)
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It doesnt matter, because if the pats made the pick, people on here would be calling him the next reggie white. I could go back and show about 500 times scouts or so called experts slammed the Pats for a draft only to have ti defended like crazy on here only to then have the bad draft pick be correct. Nobody knows what a player will do or become, its a big guessing game. Tampa was not trying to fill major holes so somethings you take a pick that is kind of under the radar, you know, like the pats did for 20 years.The pick was given an A here. The Bucs are drafting purely based on luxury as they are stacked at every position with a ton of depth. They took a pass rusher because JPP is getting up there in age as well as Suh and Gholston so this guy will give them a break for a few series a game. That is the type of position they are in where they can draft in the first round for a specific skill set to help their stars. That is what happens when you have been hitting the draft out of the park since 2015 and then you land the GOAT in FA.
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Analysis: Power is an undervalued pass rush commodity, and Tryon brings plenty of it. He has the strength, size and physical nature to play with his hand on the ground, as well, which means he can spell older Buccaneers Ndamukong Suh and William Gholston in sub packages. Tampa Bay really needed youth on the defensive line, and with Greg Rousseau off the board, Tryon or Carlos Basham were the top guys available. Tryon can rush the passer from a stand-up position, as well, so that versatility gave him the edge over Basham.
- Washington OLB Joe Tryon (No. 32 overall)
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Tampa had been scouting him for some time. He is a great fit for Bowles aggressive defense.
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Dude. Slow down and read the progression. And maybe phrase differently if you do t want to be misunderstood.
The last thing riv said "He should still be here." You responded and the first thing you said was "people know this."
Most reasonable people would read that as you agreeing with the assertion that he should still be here.
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I was talking about another part of what he said. I have said about 500 times that I did not blame the pats or belichick at all in anyway for Brady leaving. I said it was time and I wished he would retire. I have no problem with someone misunderstanding something that was posted, and trust me I do it a lot. I was not mad nor did I trash him for it. I was just asking why he thought what he thought and wondered why his reply was not directed to river, that was all.
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Do you have the 85 bears defense tampa line for 2019? Also why did the most yards passing not equal more than 7 wins? Maybe it was that int part....or the 47 sacks or the league high in turnovers that magically went away...now what changed....to make that go away, let me think....hmmm....
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In terms of advance passing stats that weigh efficiency, the 2019 Bucs were middle of the pack. Volume stats really don't mean much when the ball is turned over 30 times. What is amazing in looking at those numbers though, is we all expected Brady to cut the picks way down which he did but he also threw for 40Tds. Most thought he would have less passing TDs than Winston so really Arians systems combined with Brady's tweaks proved to be a fantastic formula for success.
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Also you throw more when you are losing, so you get a nice heap of garbage yards and stats. Anyone who cannot see the difference in the offense in 2019 and 2020 does not watch football. It was night and day, and I heard more than a few times that no way Brady had the arm to perform in that system. Now the argument is Brady went to a juggernaut team that was winning for years and jumped on for the ride. Its quite comical to see this.
PFF grades say that Tampa made the highest jump of any offense in the NFL. Remarkably so did their D, I guess when a defense does not have to keep going out on the field 50 times a game when they turn it over, they tend to be a bit more rested to do better. Oline also made huge jump when brady got there. But yeah, it was the juggernaut team and Brady was along for the ride.
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The one stat that determines winning and losing more than any other is turnovers. That was pretty much the story of the 2019 Bucs. They had talent on both sides but none of that matters when you give the ball over that many times. No wonder so many of the defensive players praised Brady so much. He made their job so easy.
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Thats why the defense went from ranked in the 20's to 8th. So yeah as I said, the players all knew what Brady brought, and I have to take their insight on things over upset pats fan on message board.
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he didn't want to stay. and no, the head coach shouldn't have done whatever he wanted to keep him.
the bucs were an efficient qb away from being a contender. they got said qb and won a sb
the end
the bucs were an efficient qb away from being a contender. they got said qb and won a sb
the end
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If the passing attack was so great as you put it, why did they go 7-9? Nobody has answered this. When you lead the league in turnovers and sacks, you do not have a great passing attack. This is not fantasy football. They do not count up garbage yards at the end of games and that says who won or Drew Brees would have 10 superbowls.
Why is it so hard for people to say Brady took that team from a losing franchise that they were who did not win a single playoff game in 18 years and turn them into a winner, why is that so hard? I mean they all think this, wouldnt they know?
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It’s amazing how much you focus far more on the Bucs than the Patriots. You apparently knew nothing about Mac Jones, but everything about some backup DE.
Speaks volumes.
And Middie, don’t respond in her behalf, please. I have you blocked for a reason.
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Well this is a tampa bay offseason thread, so that might be it...what I am wondering is why you are here so much? Also for someone who blocked me you sure do talk about me a lot, and my replies are not really for you they are in response to your post. Here is a thought....if you do not want to talk about Brady or tampa bay....you can not post on this thread. So either you are interested in that or you just want to troll it.
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OK, I'm done with this. When your reasoning power returns to earth from somewhere out there in the asteroid fields around Saturn and Jupiter be sure to let me know.
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Too bad you didn’t add any facts to this discussion. What “reasoning” did you provide?
It’s virtually universally agreed that Brady went to a loaded team.
Brady was the final piece to a loaded team.
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That's revisionist history though. Find me anyone, literally anyone, who has something on record saying the Bucs are "loaded" prior to the announcement Brady was joining them. Search for content from 2019-2020, it doesn't exist. Here is a random fan page evaluating the Combine and the strength of it vs the current roster, March 1st of last year:
Tampa Bay Buccaneers: 7 takeaways from the 2020 NFL Combine
The 2020 NFL Combine is coming to a close and the stage is being set for the Draft at the end of April with the Buccaneers looking to win big.
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Their assessment was that the Bucs had significant needs at offensive tackle, defensive tackle, and QB. That the Bucs needed a better WR3 than Perriman who they should let walk. That Brate was worth trading as a replacement could be found for him in the later rounds. That the jury was out on JPP, but it was better to bring him back this year and maybe look for a replacement next year.
At no point were they saying, the Bucs are just drafting for depth, they're so talented. Here's someone talking about the best options for Tampa at QB Feb 27th:
Tampa Bay Buccaneers: 5 Options at quarterback that could be explored
After another season that fell short of a playoff berth, Bruce Arians and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have a choice to make at quarterback going forward.
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They weren't saying 'oh we'll have our pick, we're so loaded' or 'obviously Brady will want to come here to play with our incredible WRs and TEs'. They were thinking 'hey Andy Dalton's pretty ok and maybe we can get him' or 'Derek Carr might be realistic'. The only one calling them a sleeping giant was Peter King... in regards to the Tom Brady sweepstakes.
Tampa Bay Buccaneers: 7 takeaways from the 2020 NFL Combine
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Peter King said this: "The one that I believe is the sleeping giant in this is Tampa Bay. And when I say that, if Jameis Winston is realistic with what his contract demands/requests, whatever they are, in my opinion he will be the quarterback of the Bucs next year" The article said this: "With guys like Brady and Philip Rivers on the open market, it wouldn’t be surprising if the Bucs tried to use them as leverage in their negotiations with Winston".
The idea that Tampa was this loaded team, or that last year Tampa was a QB away from being real contenders, is one which literally did not exist prior to Tom Brady signing for them. The fact that it's "universally agreed" speaks to things which are pretty dark and terrible to me, the idea that consensus can be fabricated by repeating something enough times. "Oh of course Tampa was loaded" everyone says, enough times until it's true. But literally no one was saying it all of last year, so if 'of course' it was true, why did no one express that belief whatsoever prior to Brady signing with them?
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Brady wanted out because of ten years of taking team friendly deals only have a coaching staff constantly make bad personal moves, and treat him like a JAG journey man QB instead of the main reason for 3 Super Bowls in four years, and constant AFC championship appearances. Belichick ego is why he’s gone. He thought he made Brady and could replace him.
So yeah your right by the end Tom wanted out. I don’t blame him.
Now we are sitting here trying to get excited about a guy who’s probably the next Andy Dalton. Which is a decent career. The GOAT deserved more respect though.
So yeah your right by the end Tom wanted out. I don’t blame him.
Now we are sitting here trying to get excited about a guy who’s probably the next Andy Dalton. Which is a decent career. The GOAT deserved more respect though.
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