Looking At The Patriots 2022

80%+ of the issues Mac has had to overcome this season are on the coaching staff and O-line (also a coaching issue). Maybe more. I give him tremendous credit for being a pro while being sent to slaughter by Patricia and the Oline game after game.
Maybe, but if he's going to throw pics until he gets his own special coach, he isn't the guy I thought he was. I'm not a Patricia fan (his biggest problem is following our most successful OC in Pats history), but think Matt's struggles are the result of Patricia calling plays is overdone.

I give more credit to Mac for last year's performance than to JMD,. If the opposite is true, that he can only play well if Josh is the OC, then we're fucked, just as we are if Jones can't handle the plays that QBs run. Yeah, they aren't his ideal plays, but he needs to be able to execute them anyway.

Jones showed last year and the beginning of this year that he can do it. I don't know what's wrong. I mean he completed what? over 3/4 of his passes in that wind two weeks ago?

Whatever is wrong, and it could be injury for all we know or a slump. He wouldn't be the first QB to shit the bed in his second year and come back strong in his third year and never look back. Look at TFB's effectiveness in 2001-2002-2003-2004. There were more than a few Pats "fans," ancestors of today's whining weenies, who thought we made a mistake getting rid of Bledsoe.

Mac Jones is highly competitive and dedicated to playing the best he can. He's still a top 10 QB in the league IMO, and when he gets things sorted out he'll take a big jump higher. No matter who his OC is.

Just my 2 cents
 
Maybe, but if he's going to throw pics until he gets his own special coach, he isn't the guy I thought he was.

Like I said, we will know in 6 weeks. The play calling is tracked. Patricia stays the recent course Mac will continue to be good or the problem will be Mac, obviously. Patricia falls back into the play calling pre-Zappe and Mac (Or ANY QB) will perform less well and it will be on Patricia (and BB).

Why you think anyone has stated Mac needs a "special" coach, I don't know. I haven't seen that anywhere. Competent, yes.
 
Possible. Let's see what things look like in 6 weeks. I bet we can graph Patricia's play calling tendencies along with either (or both) QB's stats and see a STRONG correlation. We already have 2 data sets that show it: the Zappe games and the last two Mac games.

Six weeks.
I for one would love to see the lists of play calls for Jones and Zappe side by side with their results. My guess is that there is much less of a link between the different play calls vs successful plays is far less significant that we are saying. I guess as an engineer, anything without data is an opinion.

I think this would be an excellent task for DKF as he is totally convinced he is right.
 
I for one would love to see the lists of play calls for Jones and Zappe side by side with their results. My guess is that there is much less of a link between the different play calls vs successful plays is far less significant that we are saying. I guess as an engineer, anything without data is an opinion.

I think this would be an excellent task for DKF as he is totally convinced he is right.
I agree with you on the needed data and on DKF.

BTW, not just the play calls but the pass pro calls.
 
They weren't exactly invincible, were they?

No. The Lions team we destroyed is not the same team that almost beat the Bills (and should have beaten the bills) either. But the comparison is still somewhat valid.
 
Evan Lazar has been providing exceptional analysis all season long and this one is as good. Looking at what he’s covered all season long, he pretty much has pointed out every issue and backed it up with film and data/analysis. Certain blind homers here try to censor information whereas the only way to get the next ring is to actually understand reality in order to know how to fix the problems

 
Evan Lazar has been providing exceptional analysis all season long and this one is as good. Looking at what he’s covered all season long, he pretty much has pointed out every issue and backed it up with film and data/analysis. Certain blind homers here try to censor information whereas the only way to get the next ring is to actually understand reality in order to know how to fix the problems


Lazar tells it like it is. Good article but at the same it's frustrating to read.
 
Tom Brady back to the Pats?
Jeff Howe says it could happen
I don't see it.

Tom Brady​

Brady, who will be a free agent for the second time in his career, must first decide if he wants to continue playing. At this point, his plans remain a total mystery.

If Brady wants to return for a 24th season as a 46-year-old, he shouldn’t rule out the idea of joining a third team. The Buccaneers have taken a major step back on offense this season without Bruce Arians at head coach or much of a ground game, so Brady should seek assurances from the decision-makers of an improved schematic plan and upgrades on the offensive line.

Otherwise, there are four natural locations for his next spot, starting with his hometown 49ers. They’re well-coached by Kyle Shanahan, and they’ve got a championship-caliber roster. While they’ve also got a potential franchise quarterback Trey Lance in waiting, the 49ers should favor a proven veteran over an inexperienced QB, regardless of Lance’s astronomical potential.

And then there’s Brady’s longtime offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels and the Raiders. If Brady has concerns over the Bucs offense or adjusting to Shanahan’s complex scheme, he’d surely be attracted to the familiarity of McDaniels’ system. However, the Raiders absolutely must improve their offensive line, and they’ve got to be much better defensively to be viewed as a Super Bowl contender, so those might cause hesitation for Brady.

But what about Derek Carr? He’s been good, not great this season, but it’s hard to be a consistently productive quarterback without a good line. There’s also an understandable adjustment period with a new offensive system.

If the Raiders don’t net Brady, they might believe Carr will be even better in 2023. And if they do land Brady, Carr would have solid trade value, likely in the range of a first-round pick.

Don’t discount the Titans, either. Brady has remained extremely close with Tennessee coach Mike Vrabel since their time together with the Patriots, and that roster is also built to keep contending. They’re tough, and they play the right way. That’ll be appealing to Brady.

But for the Titans, can they be comfortable trading quarterback Ryan Tannehill and assuming $18.8 million in dead cap money? It’d take an aggressive series of moves, but Vrabel and general manager Jon Robinson have built an aggressive team. They should easily control the AFC South with Brady.

And finally — maybe hold onto your phone with two hands for this one — don’t ever write off the Patriots.

Brady and Bill Belichick still have an abundance of respect for one another. They’ve made points to say it publicly on multiple occasions since the QB departed for Tampa. They also spent 23 minutes together in the visiting locker room at Gillette Stadium following Brady’s return in 2021 — an appointment they set up prior to the game.

The Patriots are slated to have more than $50 million in cap space in 2023, so they can again address their flaws, this time on the heels of a couple impressive draft classes.

The issues? Not the egos. Not the pride.

For Brady, he’d have to know the offense is in capable hands. There have been criticisms of Matt Patricia’s first season as a play caller — plenty warranted, others exaggerated — and Brady benefited by an abundance of stability with the offensive coordinator in New England. He’d either need to be comfortable with Patricia or push for a reunion with someone like Bill O’Brien, currently the Alabama offensive coordinator, to ensure he’s not wasting a season as a 46-year-old. Sure, Brady would return to run his offense, but he can’t also coordinate it.

For the Patriots, they should want clarity on Brady’s future. Is he going year to year? Do they need to fully guarantee a second season, something Belichick wouldn’t do before Brady walked in 2020?

Realistically, the Patriots wouldn’t even need to trade Mac Jones, whose rookie contract runs through 2024 plus the fifth-year option in 2025. While they certainly could — and as is the case with many starting quarterbacks, they’d start the trade conversations with the hopes of recouping a first-round pick — there’d be loads of value in Jones learning from Brady.

Maybe it’s a long shot. There might be better situations for Brady. But just when you think you’ve got Belichick figured out, he does something no one sees coming.

 
Tom Brady back to the Pats?
Jeff Howe says it could happen
I don't see it.

Tom Brady​

Brady, who will be a free agent for the second time in his career, must first decide if he wants to continue playing. At this point, his plans remain a total mystery.

If Brady wants to return for a 24th season as a 46-year-old, he shouldn’t rule out the idea of joining a third team. The Buccaneers have taken a major step back on offense this season without Bruce Arians at head coach or much of a ground game, so Brady should seek assurances from the decision-makers of an improved schematic plan and upgrades on the offensive line.

Otherwise, there are four natural locations for his next spot, starting with his hometown 49ers. They’re well-coached by Kyle Shanahan, and they’ve got a championship-caliber roster. While they’ve also got a potential franchise quarterback Trey Lance in waiting, the 49ers should favor a proven veteran over an inexperienced QB, regardless of Lance’s astronomical potential.

And then there’s Brady’s longtime offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels and the Raiders. If Brady has concerns over the Bucs offense or adjusting to Shanahan’s complex scheme, he’d surely be attracted to the familiarity of McDaniels’ system. However, the Raiders absolutely must improve their offensive line, and they’ve got to be much better defensively to be viewed as a Super Bowl contender, so those might cause hesitation for Brady.

But what about Derek Carr? He’s been good, not great this season, but it’s hard to be a consistently productive quarterback without a good line. There’s also an understandable adjustment period with a new offensive system.

If the Raiders don’t net Brady, they might believe Carr will be even better in 2023. And if they do land Brady, Carr would have solid trade value, likely in the range of a first-round pick.

Don’t discount the Titans, either. Brady has remained extremely close with Tennessee coach Mike Vrabel since their time together with the Patriots, and that roster is also built to keep contending. They’re tough, and they play the right way. That’ll be appealing to Brady.

But for the Titans, can they be comfortable trading quarterback Ryan Tannehill and assuming $18.8 million in dead cap money? It’d take an aggressive series of moves, but Vrabel and general manager Jon Robinson have built an aggressive team. They should easily control the AFC South with Brady.

And finally — maybe hold onto your phone with two hands for this one — don’t ever write off the Patriots.

Brady and Bill Belichick still have an abundance of respect for one another. They’ve made points to say it publicly on multiple occasions since the QB departed for Tampa. They also spent 23 minutes together in the visiting locker room at Gillette Stadium following Brady’s return in 2021 — an appointment they set up prior to the game.

The Patriots are slated to have more than $50 million in cap space in 2023, so they can again address their flaws, this time on the heels of a couple impressive draft classes.

The issues? Not the egos. Not the pride.

For Brady, he’d have to know the offense is in capable hands. There have been criticisms of Matt Patricia’s first season as a play caller — plenty warranted, others exaggerated — and Brady benefited by an abundance of stability with the offensive coordinator in New England. He’d either need to be comfortable with Patricia or push for a reunion with someone like Bill O’Brien, currently the Alabama offensive coordinator, to ensure he’s not wasting a season as a 46-year-old. Sure, Brady would return to run his offense, but he can’t also coordinate it.

For the Patriots, they should want clarity on Brady’s future. Is he going year to year? Do they need to fully guarantee a second season, something Belichick wouldn’t do before Brady walked in 2020?

Realistically, the Patriots wouldn’t even need to trade Mac Jones, whose rookie contract runs through 2024 plus the fifth-year option in 2025. While they certainly could — and as is the case with many starting quarterbacks, they’d start the trade conversations with the hopes of recouping a first-round pick — there’d be loads of value in Jones learning from Brady.

Maybe it’s a long shot. There might be better situations for Brady. But just when you think you’ve got Belichick figured out, he does something no one sees coming.

To do what? Back up Bailey Zappe?
 
Tom Brady back to the Pats?
Jeff Howe says it could happen
I don't see it.

Tom Brady​

Brady, who will be a free agent for the second time in his career, must first decide if he wants to continue playing. At this point, his plans remain a total mystery.

If Brady wants to return for a 24th season as a 46-year-old, he shouldn’t rule out the idea of joining a third team. The Buccaneers have taken a major step back on offense this season without Bruce Arians at head coach or much of a ground game, so Brady should seek assurances from the decision-makers of an improved schematic plan and upgrades on the offensive line.

Otherwise, there are four natural locations for his next spot, starting with his hometown 49ers. They’re well-coached by Kyle Shanahan, and they’ve got a championship-caliber roster. While they’ve also got a potential franchise quarterback Trey Lance in waiting, the 49ers should favor a proven veteran over an inexperienced QB, regardless of Lance’s astronomical potential.

And then there’s Brady’s longtime offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels and the Raiders. If Brady has concerns over the Bucs offense or adjusting to Shanahan’s complex scheme, he’d surely be attracted to the familiarity of McDaniels’ system. However, the Raiders absolutely must improve their offensive line, and they’ve got to be much better defensively to be viewed as a Super Bowl contender, so those might cause hesitation for Brady.

But what about Derek Carr? He’s been good, not great this season, but it’s hard to be a consistently productive quarterback without a good line. There’s also an understandable adjustment period with a new offensive system.

If the Raiders don’t net Brady, they might believe Carr will be even better in 2023. And if they do land Brady, Carr would have solid trade value, likely in the range of a first-round pick.

Don’t discount the Titans, either. Brady has remained extremely close with Tennessee coach Mike Vrabel since their time together with the Patriots, and that roster is also built to keep contending. They’re tough, and they play the right way. That’ll be appealing to Brady.

But for the Titans, can they be comfortable trading quarterback Ryan Tannehill and assuming $18.8 million in dead cap money? It’d take an aggressive series of moves, but Vrabel and general manager Jon Robinson have built an aggressive team. They should easily control the AFC South with Brady.

And finally — maybe hold onto your phone with two hands for this one — don’t ever write off the Patriots.

Brady and Bill Belichick still have an abundance of respect for one another. They’ve made points to say it publicly on multiple occasions since the QB departed for Tampa. They also spent 23 minutes together in the visiting locker room at Gillette Stadium following Brady’s return in 2021 — an appointment they set up prior to the game.

The Patriots are slated to have more than $50 million in cap space in 2023, so they can again address their flaws, this time on the heels of a couple impressive draft classes.

The issues? Not the egos. Not the pride.

For Brady, he’d have to know the offense is in capable hands. There have been criticisms of Matt Patricia’s first season as a play caller — plenty warranted, others exaggerated — and Brady benefited by an abundance of stability with the offensive coordinator in New England. He’d either need to be comfortable with Patricia or push for a reunion with someone like Bill O’Brien, currently the Alabama offensive coordinator, to ensure he’s not wasting a season as a 46-year-old. Sure, Brady would return to run his offense, but he can’t also coordinate it.

For the Patriots, they should want clarity on Brady’s future. Is he going year to year? Do they need to fully guarantee a second season, something Belichick wouldn’t do before Brady walked in 2020?

Realistically, the Patriots wouldn’t even need to trade Mac Jones, whose rookie contract runs through 2024 plus the fifth-year option in 2025. While they certainly could — and as is the case with many starting quarterbacks, they’d start the trade conversations with the hopes of recouping a first-round pick — there’d be loads of value in Jones learning from Brady.

Maybe it’s a long shot. There might be better situations for Brady. But just when you think you’ve got Belichick figured out, he does something no one sees coming.


He is too smart to come here and try to succeed. He has eyes.
 
Mac's throws of 20+ air yards are improving from last year. Last year he completed 38.1% of those throws, vs 47.1% this year. And, I'd argue, that's with a higher percentage of those throws outside the hashes vs last year.
 
Though I am an "open" Mac Jones fan and supporter, I know what type of quarterback he is not. He is not a quarterback that can flourish with an OL that can't consistently give him reasonable time in the pocket to throw. That is a limitation he has now and also in college. He is not a Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen when it comes to mobility. But, I can tell you this from watching him in college and last season. Put an OL around him that can give him time to throw and some talent at WR, and he can absolutely destroy a defense. One of his strengths is his accuracy and the more confident he gets the more accurate he is, which is most quarterbacks, both good and bad. However, if Bill B and the staff want an offense where athleticism like that of Justin Fields, Josh Allen, and Trevor Lawrence is a pre-requisite to operate in the type of offense they want to run, they have the wrong guy and probably need to be looking to replace him.



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Though I am an "open" Mac Jones fan and supporter, I know what type of quarterback he is not. He is not a quarterback that can flourish with an OL that can't consistently give him reasonable time in the pocket to throw. That is a limitation he has now and also in college. He is not a Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen when it comes to mobility. But, I can tell you this from watching him in college and last season. Put an OL around him that can give him time to throw and some talent at WR, and he can absolutely destroy a defense. One of his strengths is his accuracy and the more confident he gets the more accurate he is, which is most quarterbacks, both good and bad. However, if Bill B and the staff want an offense where athleticism like that of Justin Fields, Josh Allen, and Trevor Lawrence is a pre-requisite to operate in the type of offense they want to run, they have the wrong guy and probably need to be looking to replace him.



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It is unquestionably on the coaching staff and not Mac Jones. Mac is an elite short-strike field general. He is not for a vertical scheme and also not a dual-run threat as you noted. It speaks to the idiocy of this staff that they made him run so much after his first read or go for home run throws so often in September.

Mac Jones was one of the BEST in 2021 against pressure and the blitz. This year he's 32nd. Obvious culprit are coaches from the lowly 2020 Lions and Giants (Judge, Rothstein, Patricia).
 
A guy who is working in a nearby market told me the Bills would totally decimate the Patriots tomorrow. I told him the Patriots will win, 22-21. He then mentioned Brady, saying he's having a good season, and he'll be playing for Miami next season, and they'll go 17-0. He's a Patriots fan. I blurted out that Brady will be playing for the Patriots, and asked him how old Brady is, and he said 45. Is he 44, or 45?
 
A guy who is working in a nearby market told me the Bills would totally decimate the Patriots tomorrow. I told him the Patriots will win, 22-21. He then mentioned Brady, saying he's having a good season, and he'll be playing for Miami next season, and they'll go 17-0. He's a Patriots fan. I blurted out that Brady will be playing for the Patriots, and asked him how old Brady is, and he said 45. Is he 44, or 45?
So much 🤣🤣 trash talking here. #Love
 
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