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Mike Reiss
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Day 2 of the legal negotiating period in free agency, but also a significant one on the draft front: Oregon pro day, with QB Bo Nix, and the Patriots are expected to have four staffers in attendance:

🏈 QBs coach T.C. McCartney
🏈 College scouting director Camren Williams
🏈 National scout Tony Kinkela
🏈 Area scout J.T. Hill

To me, this reflects the thoroughness in which the Patriots are approaching their QB evaluations.

While odds are higher they go QB at No. 3, Nix would potentially be in play if they receive the big trade-down offer they believe would best set themselves up for future success.

Blanket coverage of Oregon pro day on ESPN with SportsCenter, NFL Live etc., as you would expect.
 
chevss454 said:
Mike is laughing at me bc of this.

Mike Reiss
@MikeReiss
Day 2 of the legal negotiating period in free agency, but also a significant one on the draft front: Oregon pro day, with QB Bo Nix, and the Patriots are expected to have four staffers in attendance:

🏈 QBs coach T.C. McCartney
🏈 College scouting director Camren Williams
🏈 National scout Tony Kinkela
🏈 Area scout J.T. Hill

To me, this reflects the thoroughness in which the Patriots are approaching their QB evaluations.

While odds are higher they go QB at No. 3, Nix would potentially be in play if they receive the big trade-down offer they believe would best set themselves up for future success.

Blanket coverage of Oregon pro day on ESPN with SportsCenter, NFL Live etc., as you would expect.
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You're not alone. Although it is pretty funny.
 
With Oregon, Oklahoma, and South Carolina’s Pro Days taking place, the Pats have scouts and coaches present at each event.

Oregon - Bo Nix (QBs coach T.C. McCartney, Tony Kinkela, Camren Williams, JT Hill)

Oklahoma - Tyler Guyton (OL coach Scott Peters)

South Carolina - Xavier Legette (WRs coach Tyler Hughes)
 
Guyton has same power measurables as Volemer and Solder.
 
TommyD420 said:
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What I saw from this clip.
Some awful, some bad, some good, a little great.
Wobbly balls are the norm in this clip. Concerning. Smallish hands or grip or both?
High % inaccurate throws. His receivers didn't help him much; they didn't seem to be in the game.
Hard to judge true velocity.
Decent to good footwork and mechanics.
Bails quickly, extends plays, throws well on the run.
Runs ok, good vision, not real fast, needs a slide move for the NFL.
Hit or miss offense doesn't run with good flow or precision.

Tools to work with but will take more than 1 NFL season to get him up to speed. Low floor/low ceiling.
Personally, I'd pass on him based on this clip.
 
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Jim Nagy
@JimNagy_SB
Confirmed attendee list for today's Georgia pro-day. All 32 NFL clubs represented. Steelers and Titans have both HC and GM, as well as Raiders HC Antonio Pierce.

Here's position coach breakdown:

OC- Panthers, Bengals, Steelers
DC- Steelers
WR- Patriots, Cowboys, Panthers
RB- Bengals, Jets
OL- Bears, Patriots
DL- Bengals
DB- Cowboys, Jets, Giants, Patriots, Bengals


View: https://twitter.com/seniorbowl/status/1767902526890807801
 
McConkey at pick 34 if he's still there.
 
chevss454 said:
What I saw from this clip.
Some awful, some bad, some good, a little great.
Wobbly balls are the norm in this clip. Concerning. Smallish hands or grip or both?
High % inaccurate throws. His receivers didn't help him much; they didn't seem to be in the game.
Hard to judge true velocity.
Decent to good footwork and mechanics.
Bails quickly, extends plays, throws well on the run.
Runs ok, good vision, not real fast, needs a slide move for the NFL.
Hit or miss offense doesn't run with good flow or precision.

Tools to work with but will take more than 1 NFL season to get him up to speed. Low floor/low ceiling.
Personally, I'd pass on him based on this clip.
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I saw an awful lot of pat-pat, throw off the back foot at the merest hint of pressure.

This is NC State, by the way, not Georgia they were playing.
 
chevss454 said:
What I saw from this clip.
Some awful, some bad, some good, a little great.
Wobbly balls are the norm in this clip. Concerning. Smallish hands or grip or both?
High % inaccurate throws. His receivers didn't help him much; they didn't seem to be in the game.
Hard to judge true velocity.
Decent to good footwork and mechanics.
Bails quickly, extends plays, throws well on the run.
Runs ok, good vision, not real fast, needs a slide move for the NFL.
Hit or miss offense doesn't run with good flow or precision.

Tools to work with but will take more than 1 NFL season to get him up to speed. Low floor/low ceiling.
Personally, I'd pass on him based on this clip.
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Wow. He was my guy but some weird decisions to run when not under pressure and some VERY inaccurate throws, some admittedly under pressure. I don't much care for him @ #3 anymore.
 
I think we're taking Daniels if available. There seems to be a leaning towards him by Patriots staff according to quite a few pundits.
 
ParanoidPatriot said:
Oh, he'll still be there. Actually he may be there at 68. It's not that he isn't a good player, there are so many better options ahead of him.
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I have him going somewhere between late first and early 2nd.
 
Aside from the hard data and film analysis part of the draft there is another aspect that I find fascinating about it and that
is imitation.

Everybody wants to get a "steal" and avoid a "bust", but a lot of teams look at recent history for a clue as to what they
should do to get themselves one of those steals.

I'm sure there are other examples, Pop Douglas comes to mind, but no steal was bigger than the production the Rams got from Puka
Nacua. He was considered well outside the top group of wideouts with dozens projected to be better prospects, but the kid had a spectacular
year at a very low cost (5th round, pick 177). Here is an example of the kind of thoughts that prevented him from a bigger status at this time
last year.

Nacua is sneaky athletic, so if a team drafts him, they will get someone who can do multiple things on the field. He will be good at running jet sweeps and is good with the ball in his hand once he gets it. He is good at gaining leverage on receivers and can stack as well.

He lacks elite speed and separation from the line of scrimmage, which could become a problem. He will also struggle against press-man coverage. He needs to become a more fluid route runner at the next level.

So, not elite, no separation, his 3-cone was shit, blah, blah, blah. The scouts missed the boat and wildly underrated him. All of this stuff can be
rendered meaningless if the guy can play and Nacua clearly can. Fascinating how they try to find a formula for human football players, but
it is a struggle.

I doubt anybody gets a guy quite like him this year, but I could almost guarantee that in a deep year for WRs at least one of them will
well out-perform the current projections.

Kirk Herbstreit did a bit recently that said Ladd McConkey is going to be this year's version of Puka, but McConkey is way more respected
and highly ranked. You can't be a steal when a lot of people are already excited about you, so I hate Herbie's comparison. Sign me up for
McConkey, too, but if he's really good nobody will be shocked.

The guy I'd be willing to part with a pick between 100 and 200 in order to land our own Puka-level steal is Luke McCaffrey. Of course, he is better known
than Nacua because his brother is one of the best players in the NFL, but I've seen him projected to go as low as the 6th round due to relative
positional inexperience and "short arms", among other supposed limitations. He is also Caucasian, but I think players of every race deserve the
same opportunity to succeed. Perhaps more scouts will be looking for a mix of Pacific islander and Portuguese, like Puka, next Month because
imitation is flattery.

I don't care if McCaffrey has trouble getting change out of the pockets of his cargo shorts, he looks like a very undersold player to me. I would definitely be
interested in using a day 3 pick to get a guy like him to add to a mix that'll hopefully include a day 2 stud that everybody will applaud as a
smart pick. But, the smartest picks are the low round guys that pan out big. I'd love to use the 6th we got for Mac Jones on him. A Mac for
a Mc.

"Studs and steals" will hopefully be the theme for the Patriots 2024 draft replacing the "Trade down, then Reach" reputation of the last decade or so.
 
spacecrime said:
That's the most recent, but me? I'd be using a sixth round compensatory pick on a QB every year.
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Okay.....but who is your guy this year?

I'd take Sam Hartman from Notre Dame. He isn't a special athlete and doesn't throw all that well. He's also pretty slow.
As a matter of fact, he is pretty much the classic example of a good College QB who doesn't have any pro traits whatsoever, but I don't
care. He is so fucking. incredibly handsome and such a good person that I think he could possibly transcend his alleged limitations and
be the spiritual leader that Tim Tebow was supposed to be when old frend Josh McD blew a first rounder on one of the worst QBs
in pro football history. You might remember Tim as the upstanding young man who loved the Lord and tried his best, unsuccessfully, to
steer his evil, twisted teammate Aaron Hernandez away from the Demons that hijacked his psyche at the behest of the Chief Overlord
of the Gator cult and noted ass-grabber, Urban Meyer.

How handsome is he, you ask? He makes Brad Pitt look like the Elephant Man. He makes Tom Brady look like Ben Roethlisberger on a hangover
Monday. Like Truman Capote on any day that ends with a Y.

I'm sort of making this shit up and going on a stream of consciousness rant, because it is still fun to do so, but it's possible that Sam
Hartman's flowing, shiny moss could inspire people in ways a football scout can't really quantify. His experience with always doing the r
ight and leaderly thing at a huge catholic college with a shiny, golden dome could catch on with adults who play tackle football for massive
amounts of money, because, truly, most of those people have lost their way and don't know what the fuck they are doing any more. There
are all kinds of leaders in this world and I'm not entirely sure that Sam Hartman isn't one of 'em, so, what the hell. It's a 6th rounder and nobody
is getting fired for fucking one of those up.

I should make it clear that I don't want to make out with Sam or blow him at all. That's really not my jam, man, at least not without many months
in the same prison cell, but I'm just saying that no matter how straight you are you look at Sam Hartman and you're no longer sure of anything much
less why human beings choose the leaders they do. I mean, fuck, look at the recent political leaders this country has sorted through like random tarot
cards rearranged by a category III tropical storm and you know I'm at least onto something entirely plausible, if not exactly true in the conventional sense
of the word.

While projecting pro success for Sam Hartman seems like longshot heresy, I am at least willing to suggest that, no matter what level the
former Fighting Irish QB achieves in the professional version of football, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he's at least
going to have a better pro career than either Tim Tebow or Bo Nix.

And that's a Hawg73 Guar-an-tee.

So, who are you going with and why?
 
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Hawg73 said:
Okay.....but who is your guy this year?

I'd take Sam Hartman from Notre Dame. He isn't a special athlete and doesn't throw all that well. He's also pretty slow.
As a matter of fact, he is pretty much the classic example of a good College QB who doesn't have any pro traits whatsoever, but I don't
care. He is so fucking. incredibly \ handsome and such a good person that I think he could possibly transcend his alleged limitations and
be the spiritual leader that Tim Tebow was supposed to be when old frend Josh McD blew a first rounder on one of the worst QBs
in pro football history. You might remember Tim as the upstanding young man who loved the Lord and tried his best, unsuccessfully, to
steer his evil, twisted teammate Aaron Hernandez away from the Demons that hijacked his psyche at the behest of the Chief Overlord
of the Gator cult and noted ass-grabber, Urban Meyer.

How handsome is he, you ask? He makes Brad Pitt look like the Elephant Man. He makes Tom Brady look like Ben Roethlisberger on a hangover
Monday. Like Truman Capote on any day that ends with a Y.

I'm sort of making this shit up and going on a stream of consciousness rant, because it is still fun to do so, but it's possible that Sam
Hartman's flowing, shiny moss could inspire people in ways a football scout can't really quantify. His experience with always doing the r
ight and leaderly thing at a huge catholic college with a shiny, golden dome could catch on with adults who play tackle football for massive
amounts of money, because, truly, most of those people have lost their way and don't know what the fuck they are going any more. There
are all kinds of leaders in this world and I'm not entirely sure that Sam Hartman isn't one of 'em, so, what the hell. It's a 6th rounder and nobody
is getting fired for fucking one of those up.

I should make it clear that I don't want to make out with Sam or blow him at all. That's really not my jam, man, at least not without many months
in the same prison cell, but I'm just saying that no matter how straight you are you look at Sam Hartman and you're no longer sure of anything much
less why human beings choose the leaders they do. I mean, fuck, look at the recent political leaders this country has sorted through like random tarot
cards rearranged by a category III tropical storm and you know I'm at least onto something entirely plausible, if not exactly true in the conventional sense
of the word.

While projecting pro success for Sam Hartman seems like longshot heresy, I am at least willing to suggest that, no matter what level the
former Fighting Irish QB achieves in the professional version of football, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he's at least
going to have a better pro career than either Tim Tebow or Bo Nix.

And that's a Hawg73 Guar-an-tee.

So, who are you going with and why?
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Hawg73 said:
Okay.....but who is your guy this year?

I'd take Sam Hartman from Notre Dame. He isn't a special athlete and doesn't throw all that well. He's also pretty slow.
As a matter of fact, he is pretty much the classic example of a good College QB who doesn't have any pro traits whatsoever, but I don't
care. He is so fucking. incredibly handsome and such a good person that I think he could possibly transcend his alleged limitations and
be the spiritual leader that Tim Tebow was supposed to be when old frend Josh McD blew a first rounder on one of the worst QBs
in pro football history. You might remember Tim as the upstanding young man who loved the Lord and tried his best, unsuccessfully, to
steer his evil, twisted teammate Aaron Hernandez away from the Demons that hijacked his psyche at the behest of the Chief Overlord
of the Gator cult and noted ass-grabber, Urban Meyer.

How handsome is he, you ask? He makes Brad Pitt look like the Elephant Man. He makes Tom Brady look like Ben Roethlisberger on a hangover
Monday. Like Truman Capote on any day that ends with a Y.

I'm sort of making this shit up and going on a stream of consciousness rant, because it is still fun to do so, but it's possible that Sam
Hartman's flowing, shiny moss could inspire people in ways a football scout can't really quantify. His experience with always doing the r
ight and leaderly thing at a huge catholic college with a shiny, golden dome could catch on with adults who play tackle football for massive
amounts of money, because, truly, most of those people have lost their way and don't know what the fuck they are doing any more. There
are all kinds of leaders in this world and I'm not entirely sure that Sam Hartman isn't one of 'em, so, what the hell. It's a 6th rounder and nobody
is getting fired for fucking one of those up.

I should make it clear that I don't want to make out with Sam or blow him at all. That's really not my jam, man, at least not without many months
in the same prison cell, but I'm just saying that no matter how straight you are you look at Sam Hartman and you're no longer sure of anything much
less why human beings choose the leaders they do. I mean, fuck, look at the recent political leaders this country has sorted through like random tarot
cards rearranged by a category III tropical storm and you know I'm at least onto something entirely plausible, if not exactly true in the conventional sense
of the word.

While projecting pro success for Sam Hartman seems like longshot heresy, I am at least willing to suggest that, no matter what level the
former Fighting Irish QB achieves in the professional version of football, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he's at least
going to have a better pro career than either Tim Tebow or Bo Nix.

And that's a Hawg73 Guar-an-tee.

So, who are you going with and why?
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Not sure yet but I'm seriously considering trading pick 3 + a pick to the Vikings for their picks 11 and 23 and Justin Jefferson and go from there.
No looking back. WR, OT, QB, another trade...all still in play.
 
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