Not sure that this thread is going to age well ...
So compare Brady to his contemporaries.
Mac is first in completion percentage. Brady was 4th.
Mac was "middle of the pack in all [other] major passing stats"? I notice you compared this (randomly) to a pro-bowl bid for Brady. I wonder why? Oh...because - even ignoring the accumulation stats since he missed 2 games - the same is true for Brady:
YPG: not in the top 20.
TD%: 12th
INT%: 13th
YPA: 15th
YPC: not in top 20
People can say that Mac's first year as a starter compares favorably to Tom's without necessarily believing or even implying that this is an indicator that Mac will have a better career or be a better QB than Brady. He's still TFB.
Right on.
And it's still comparing a 2nd year player to a rookie day 1 starter
A second year player who was a 6th round pick who was supposed to hold a clip board his entire career not beat out first overall pick, in prime Drew Bledsoe. Jones was pick 15 overall and the most NFL ready QB in the draft competing against washed Cam Newton. Not to mention the changes in the league that allow rookies to not only play but have success out of the gate because so much of the college concepts are now incorporated into NFL offenses. Let's not pretend that Jones is playing in a league anywhere close to what Brady played in. There is a reason Brady made the pro bowl in 2001 with his stats and Jones isn't even a thought with similar stats in 2021.
Well over 100 words that do nothing to change the fact that Brady sat behind 3 consummate pros for a year while he learned the game, and Jones was a day 1 starter.
Sure they mean nothing if you want to strip out all context 20 years later. Because that's the only way your statement isn't absolutely ridiculous. Lol
There's no context, it's an irrefutable fact.
Sure. But they are not equivalent in any way shape or form. Brady made the pro bowl that year with very similar stats to Jones. That's how much the league has changed in 20 years. And of course Brady also won the super bowl and the super bowl MVP with a roster that didn't have 165 million dollars plugged into it.
Gonna agree to disagree, I guess. Brady was middle of the road statistically FOR HIS TIME, as I showed above. Why the Pro-bowl, then? A little because Brady and the Pats were, at the time, a nice story.
A nice story, really?
No, I mean exactly what I said. When he made the probowl, he was a nice story. He wasn't a Superbowl MVP. I'm not even certain he was a playoff qualifier at that point. If we assume that this year is on a similar schedule, at that point he would have been maybe 8-3 or 9-3, and riding a whopping 3 or 4 game win streak, the best of the year.
We disagree. Have a Merry Christmas!!
I'm not really back. I have been posting periodically on the Brady forum this whole time but I'm sure you probably don't visit there often. I just had some time this week to read the main forum and post a bit to a couple of threads which have him as a side focus like this one.
What part of that was opinion?
fuck off troll
