Is there a bigger hypocrite/phony than Dungy?

[DarrylStingley]

Or it could've been like authoring a post about a coach being the biggest hypocrite/phony ever, because of your perception that his comments are not consistant with being a Christian. Then using your own religious beliefs as a means to say you would never do what he did, hence putting yourself above said coach while trying to denigrate him.

Hypocrisy abounds.

That makes zero sense.

It's consistent to say that people who preach patience, emphathy, turning the other cheek, etc. should not kick a man when he's down, and that doing that is hypocritical.

At least one Colts fan here has agreed that Dungy should not have said what he said, but disagrees that doing so is an indicator of the man's true being.

We've agreed to disagree on that point, as I think it reveals a lot about Dungy.

But the fact that I draw that conclusion doesn't indicate that I'm hypocritical in the least.

 

[IU_Knightmare]

tmack has always been a respectable poster here. As long as I have known tmack, the 1 way I would not describe him is being a "dance around the subject" kinda guy. He's ok in my book. He tells it like it is and backs up his thoughts with facts and concrete evidence/coherent thoughts. He doesn't resort to making light of career ending injuries to former Patriots players.

And he doesn't start threads with incendiary titles like:

Is there a bigger hypocrite/phony than Dungy?

I never insinuated that TMack wasn't an informed poster or that he wasnt capable of having great conversations even with shitheads like DS. On the contrary, my point was he goes out of the way to keep the conversation civil even when guys like DS blatantly create threads to illicite an angry response from those who would disagree. It's a credit to him that he was able to turn the thread from one designed to piss Colts fans off into a reasonable debate with the unreasonable thread starter.

Me, as I have pointed out, don't really care about keeping the peace or my posting privleges if guys like DS are allowed to start bullshit threads. I gave him what he wants, and that is response to his troll bait.

 

[DarrylStingley]

And he doesn't start threads with incendiary titles like:

Is there a bigger hypocrite/phony than Dungy?

I never insinuated that TMack wasn't an informed poster or that he wasnt capable of having great conversations even with shitheads like DS. On the contrary, my point was he goes out of the way to keep the conversation civil even when guys like DS blatantly create threads to illicite an angry response from those who would disagree. It's a credit to him that he was able to turn the thread from one designed to piss Colts fans off into a reasonable debate with the unreasonable thread starter.

Me, as I have pointed out, don't really care about keeping the peace or my posting privleges if guys like DS are allowed to start bullshit threads. I will give him what he wants, and that is response to his troll bait.

On the chance that others are wondering why I started this thread, it's because I really do think that Dungy is a terrible phony and that his crapping on BB is an indication of that. And I wanted to see if others would disagree and possibly discuss other big time phonies in sports (like Derek Jeter).

I frankly don't get why stating a strongly held view is incendiary.

And I think that making a tasteless joke about Tatum -- whatever the perceived justificaiton was -- and repeatedly calling me a shithead should get you tossed out of here.

 

[IU_Knightmare]

That makes zero sense.

It's consistent to say that people who preach patience, emphathy, turning the other cheek, etc. should not kick a man when he's down, and that doing that is hypocritical.

At least one Colts fan here has agreed that Dungy should not have said what he said, but disagrees that doing so is an indicator of the man's true being.

We've agreed to disagree on that point, as I think it reveals a lot about Dungy.

But the fact that I draw that conclusion doesn't indicate that I'm hypocritical in the least.

It's also consistant that when asked what one thinks to give an honest and heartfelt answer...which is what he did. He didn't puss out and go the no comment route, or stick up for conduct he didn't agree with. He said what he felt, and you just have a stick up your ass over it because it was Belichick as the target.

Reverse the roles and you would be sporting a boner that would shame the makers of Levitra.

 

[Patriots4ever]

And he doesn't start threads with incendiary titles like:

Is there a bigger hypocrite/phony than Dungy?

Me, as I have pointed out, don't really care about keeping the peace or my posting privleges if guys like DS are allowed to start bullshit threads. I gave him what he wants, and that is response to his troll bait.

Congratulations, 2 wrongs made a right.

All you had to do was simply read and move on. tmack made some good points and turned the thread into an interesting debate, until you came into the fray with the Jack Tatum crap.

For the record, here was my 1st response:

Personally, I think Dungy is a good coach who has a great track record as a good builder of defenses.

As for the outside football stuff, I really don't care. I don't agree with his views and whatnot, but that's really not for me to judge. To each one's own.

 

[DarrylStingley]

It's also consistant that when asked what one thinks to give an honest and heartfelt answer...which is what he did. He didn't puss out and go the no comment route, or stick up for conduct he didn't agree with. He said what he felt, and you just have a stick up your ass over it because it was Belichick as the target.

Reverse the roles and you would be sporting a boner that would shame the makers of Levitra.

There's a time for candor and a time for not piling on.

When BB was knee deep in the soup, it was the time for discretion.

That someone who would make a joke about a true tragedy wouldn't immediately understand that is not surprising.

Like I said, I can appreciate that TMack and other thinking beings would say Dungy should have kept quiet but don't assume that one mistake means as much as you think it does. I disagree, but it's a reasonable position.

It's simply not reasonable to think that piling on to a fellow coach was the right thing. This is not a partisan thing as very few other coaches piped up. Either they knew that piling on wasn't cool or they shared the view that the media was way over the top in its reaction to SpyGate. But eitehr way, they kept quiet, as Dungy should have.

 

[daedge]

I thought this forum was shit?


Personally, I think Dungy is a good coach who has a great track record as a good builder of defenses.

As for the outside football stuff, I really don't care. I don't agree with his views and whatnot, but that's really not for me to judge. To each one's own.

Get layed and get over it

 

[PatsFanLisa]

To IU_KNIGHTMARE:

I've said this before and I'll say it again. It is offensive to me when someone other than the clergy preaches in a holier-than-thou manner and carries an attitude of being above all others because of his religious beliefs. When one does that, he is subject to criticism and open to complaints of hypocrisy. When one does that, his world becomes an open book to investigate how people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Dungy is a coach of a professional football team, not my clergyman. He is in the wrong business if he believes that in a career that surrounds a "game" there is no one-upmanship. Do what you have to do to win is the universal motto of a game. I do believe it is well known that one of his coaches has been labeled "the best in the business" when it comes to cheating via videotape. Do you not find this hypocritical or do you think that Dungy believes his coordinator has "found the light"?

Sorry, but religion has no place in football. So many players "praise God" when they have made a good play, when they've stopped the other team from getting a 1st down. How absurd. If you have a religious bent, you should praise God that your family is healthy, that life has been good for you and you are grateful, not because you have scored 6 points. You say a prayer before the game that no one gets hurt, you say a prayer after the game that no one was hurt. It's personal and private. Way too many people, including Dungy, have taken their religion public, and for me, it's an open door to hypocrisy and criticism.

 

[DarrylStingley]

To IU_KNIGHTMARE:

I've said this before and I'll say it again. It is offensive to me when someone other than the clergy preaches in a holier-than-thou manner and carries an attitude of being above all others because of his religious beliefs. When one does that, he is subject to criticism and open to complaints of hypocrisy. When one does that, his world becomes an open book to investigate how people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Dungy is a coach of a professional football team, not my clergyman. He is in the wrong business if he believes that in a career that surrounds a "game" there is no one-upmanship. Do what you have to do to win is the universal motto of a game. I do believe it is well known that one of his coaches has been labeled "the best in the business" when it comes to cheating via videotape. Do you not find this hypocritical or do you think that Dungy believes his coordinator has "found the light"?

Sorry, but religion has no place in football. So many players "praise God" when they have made a good play, when they've stopped the other team from getting a 1st down. How absurd. If you have a religious bent, you should praise God that your family is healthy, that life has been good for you and you are grateful, not because you have scored 6 points. You say a prayer before the game that no one gets hurt, you say a prayer after the game that no one was hurt. It's personal and private. Way too many people, including Dungy, have taken their religion public, and for me, it's an open door to hypocrisy and criticism.

I disagree with part of that, Lisa.

I think if you are a religious person, it's perfectly OK to thank G-d for anything you believe is positve in your life.

Respectfully, who are you to say that G-d shouldn't be thanked when a WR scores a TD? Yes, the health of his family is more weighty, but a person's assessment of when to thank G-d is a very personal thing.

My objection to Dungy is not that he is a religious man or that he invokes G-d's name or anything like that.

It's that as a religious man, he should have been the last person to pile on Belichick when he was down. Instead of seeing that Belichick was vulnerable and was being torn apart by the opportunistic media, a media that was way overreacting, Tony Dungy plunged the knife in deeper with a series of over the top, sanctimonious remarks. And for that, I still truly hate the man.

TMack and others argue that even if Dungy shouldn't have done that, he at worst made a mistake. As I've said, I think the "mistake" revealed the true character of the man.

But coming full circle, I don't see why a ballplayer should not offer thanks when good things happen to him. You may not agree that he received divine assistance for having homered or scored a TD, but respectfully, I don't think you are any more in tune with G-d's ways or limitations than the athlete giving thanks, so telling him to button it is, in my opinion, a bit presumptuous. At the same time, telling that athlete to be consistent with his own beliefs and not opportunistically screw over another person in his time of need seems fair to me.

 

[DarrylStingley]

To the moderators of this forum:

I am the first person to believe in freedom of expression here and I am opposed to the efforts to edit posts and protect opposing fans. I think people should say whatever they want to say, and that people should just deal with it. I've made that clear numerous times.

With that, I also think that some things are out of bounds.

I think that making a joke in any way relating to Jack Tatum and Darryl Stingley is one of them. I fail to see how that can possibly be "protected" speech on a Patriots message board.

Whether it's an avatar or anything like the abomination that IU_Nightmare posted, I think that there should be consequences for stepping over that line.

Simply put, the response to a poster one doesn't like can't be to invoke the single biggest tragedgy in Patriots history and one of the biggest tragedies in North American sports history.

How can this site allow posters who do that to continue posting here?

 

[PatsFanLisa]

I disagree with part of that, Lisa.

I think if you are a religious person, it's perfectly OK to thank G-d for anything you believe is positve in your life.

Respectfully, who are you to say that G-d shouldn't be thanked when a WR scores a TD? Yes, the health of his family is more weighty, but a person's assessment of when to thank G-d is a very personal thing.

My objection to Dungy is not that he is a religious man or that he invokes G-d's name or anything like that.

It's that as a religious man, he should have been the last person to pile on Belichick when he was down. Instead of seeing that Belichick was vulnerable and was being torn apart by the opportunistic media, a media that was way overreacting, Tony Dungy plunged the knife in deeper with a series of over the top, sanctimonious remarks. And for that, I still truly hate the man.

TMack and others argue that even if Dungy shouldn't have done that, he at worst made a mistake. As I've said, I think the "mistake" revealed the true character of the man.

But coming full circle, I don't see why a ballplayer should not offer thanks when good things happen to him. You may not agree that he received divine assistance for having homered or scored a TD, but respectfully, I don't think you are any more in tune with G-d's ways or limitations than the athlete giving thanks, so telling him to button it is, in my opinion, a bit presumptuous. At the same time, telling that athlete to be consistent with his own beliefs and not opportunistically screw over another person in his time of need seems fair to me.

DS, I think I probably worded my response incorrectly, as I agree with what you have said. I am not saying that religious people (athletes) should not give thanks at all. I guess my problem is with the public displays. I just think that one's beliefs are private, but that is my own feeling. I am not trying to be presumptous or reveal my own religious beliefs, but I do feel strongly that one takes a public stance, as in Dungy's case, he is open to criticism.

 

[DarrylStingley]

DS, I think I probably worded my response incorrectly, as I agree with what you have said. I am not saying that religious people (athletes) should not give thanks at all. I guess my problem is with the public displays. I just think that one's beliefs are private, but that is my own feeling. I am not trying to be presumptous or reveal my own religious beliefs, but I do feel strongly that one takes a public stance, as in Dungy's case, he is open to criticism.

Hey, we agree that people like Dungy open themselves up to criticism when they act inconsistently. If you're going to talk the talk, you better walk the walk.

I am as uncomfortable as you are when I hear guys like Trot Nixon invoke the Savior and all that stuff when they get interviewed.

But I guess we differ in that I think that they have the right to do that if they think that way.

Say what you want. But if you are going to act all pious, you better be all pious.

One more thing: Why on earth can't fans at a Patriots website discuss whether Dungy is a phony in light of the fact that his phony-tude arguably came to light in an incident involving BB? Said differently, IU's suggestion that this thread was started just to incite is the kind of warped and defensive thinking that bothers me the most about this board. We should be able to say whatever we want to say about opposing players, fans, teams or coachses without checking each time to see if someone is going to get his feathers ruffled, and it seems to me that people worry much too much about that around here.

 

[AT56]

Dungy is a Douche Canoe

 

[6EFINRINGS]

DS, I think I probably worded my response incorrectly, as I agree with what you have said. I am not saying that religious people (athletes) should not give thanks at all. I guess my problem is with the public displays. I just think that one's beliefs are private, but that is my own feeling. I am not trying to be presumptous or reveal my own religious beliefs, but I do feel strongly that one takes a public stance, as in Dungy's case, he is open to criticism.

Hypothetically, religious people (assuming Christian here) are supposed to keep their faith private according to the Bible. "Faith for the show of it" or "For the benefit of others (watching)" is not to be condoned.

 

[DarrylStingley]

Hypothetically, religious people (assuming Christian here) are supposed to keep their faith private according to the Bible. "Faith for the show of it" or "For the benefit of others (watching)" is not to be condoned.

I have to believe that there are different interpretations of the private part that are considered to be valid by many Christians. I'm not Christian but there are so many Christian athletes that do that I can't believe that all of them are free lancing to such a large extent.

In any event, why judge an athlete for being pious and expressing it?

I think the only time we should get on such athletes is when they are shown to be phonies and the public expression is revealed to be BS.

 

[dchester]

It's strange to me how angry some of you are, considering that your team just went 16-0 and your QB and WR just broke probably the most prestigous single season record in the NFL

What the **** are you all so mad about?

I sure wish I knew what it is all about. I don't think I heard this much whining from Pats fans when we were 1-15. I have no problem with Dungy at all. I'm rather happy about all things football at the moment.

I just want to see 19-0!!!

 

[DarrylStingley]

I sure wish I knew what it is all about. I don't think I heard this much whining from Pats fans when we were 1-15. I have no problem with Dungy at all. I'm rather happy about all things football at the moment.

I just want to see 19-0!!!

Do you really buy the "don't worry, be happy" theme?

If something is wrong, it's wrong.

I don't hate Ben Dreith any less because the Pats have won three SBs since then. He deprived us of a win in '76 and likely a SB.

Same with Dungy. While I'm ECSTATIC and DELIGHTED that the Pats are 16-0 and am truly giddy with excitement, it doens't mean that Dungy's comments about Belichick just melt away for me.

 

[Annihilus]

I sure wish I knew what it is all about. I don't think I heard this much whining from Pats fans when we were 1-15. I have no problem with Dungy at all. I'm rather happy about all things football at the moment.

I just want to see 19-0!!!

Ditto.

All this teeth gnashing is very disturbing. It's making Pats fans sound like a bunch of idiots.

 

[DarrylStingley]

Ditto.

All this teeth gnashing is very disturbing. It's making Pats fans sound like a bunch of idiots.

You sound like an idiot for sticking your head in the sand.

Yay, we are 16-0, let's ignore anything negative because, you know, we're 16-0.

Brilliant.

 

[ICB]

Do you really buy the "don't worry, be happy" theme?

If something is wrong, it's wrong.

I don't hate Ben Dreith any less because the Pats have won three SBs since then. He deprived us of a win in '76 and likely a SB.

Same with Dungy. While I'm ECSTATIC and DELIGHTED that the Pats are 16-0 and am truly giddy with excitement, it doens't mean that Dungy's comments about Belichick just melt away for me.

If it had been another coach, you wouldn't be this pissed off. If the situation were reversed you'd be praising BB for speaking his mind. Don't you think that's a little hypocritical?

Being an openly religious man doesn't mean you can't have an opinion, especially about cheating.

Tmack said he wished Dungy hadn't said anything, not that he thought it was wrong. I certainly echo that sentiment. I wish he'd just said no comment so we, as fans, didn't have to deal with crap like this. Still, he was asked, he answered. It isn't like TD called a freakin' press conference just to "kick BB when he was down".