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Pats 2nd Round #50 Pick -- Tyquan Thornton
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Did you know that under Belicick's leadership the Patriots have won SIX Super Bowls?
Don't take my word for it. Google it. There is video and everything.
i agree that outside of a guy here and there, the wrs drafted have been underwhelming. before i say it's the worst in the nfl, i'd need to know
a)how pats value the position overall vs how other teams do
b)what traits they value vs. what other teams value
c) pats vs other teams willingness to pay for those things
d) maybe more if i keep thinking about it...
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i agree that outside of a guy here and there, the wrs drafted have been underwhelming. before i say it's the worst in the nfl, i'd need to know
a)how pats value the position overall vs how other teams do
b)what traits they value vs. what other teams value
c) pats vs other teams willingness to pay for those things
d) maybe more if i keep thinking about it...
I know in BB's original Cleveland Browns draft manual his #1 criteria for WRs was can they get open. And he hit on Branch and Givens using this. Then the WR draft system was changed in 2004 by Caserio/McDaniels and it's been 18 years of crappy WR drafting (not counting low picks/UDFA) ever since. It's been supplemented by good trading (Welker, Moss), good drafting with Floyd Reese (Gronk, Edelman), and UDFA in Meyers and signing Bourne. But let's be self aware of where the Pats have had a blind spot. I remember everyone thinking (me included) NKeal Harry must be good because BB never spent a 1st on a WR. Nope same crappy WR drafting. I don't think it's a good sign that BB's statements were overly focused on 40-time. This is not his original Browns' or his dad's WR scouting method which was about whether a guy can get open or not (route running). He drafts like Al Davis at WR when speed burners are not what makes a good WR (Cooper Kupp ran a 4.65....)
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interesting
do you know what specifically caused a change in 04?
i do remember bb or some personnel guy for pats talking about how hard it was to judge how they get off press because it's a lot more rare in college.
interesting
do you know what specifically caused a change in 04?
i do remember bb or some personnel guy for pats talking about how hard it was to judge how they get off press because it's a lot more rare in college.
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If you don't want to read the whole thing do a word search for Caserio:
IT TAKES A GENIUS
A LOT OF NFL OWNERS LIKE TO PLUCK BRANCHES OFF BILL BELICHICK'S COACHING TREE. IF ONLY HIS SAPLINGS GREW SO MIGHTY.
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All I can say is to parrot what Chevs said...and I believe him. Harry was Caserio's pick. BB let him do it. Big eyes isn't here anymore...
interesting...
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"[Thornton] also was on the radar of the Packers, Saints and others as a Day 2 option," Fowler wrote. "He combined the 4.28 speed with strong interviews, as teams liked his football acumen. Some saw him as a Day 3 prospect, to be sure. But he was a classic riser in the weeks leading up to the draft, and the Patriots visited with him very late in the process, which was telling."
Report: Other teams had Tyquan Thornton on radar on Day 2 of NFL Draft
According to ESPN, the New England Patriots weren't alone in targeting Baylor wide receiver Tyquan Thornton on Day 2 of the 2022 NFL Draft.
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"[Thornton] also was on the radar of the Packers, Saints and others as a Day 2 option," Fowler wrote. "He combined the 4.28 speed with strong interviews, as teams liked his football acumen. Some saw him as a Day 3 prospect, to be sure. But he was a classic riser in the weeks leading up to the draft, and the Patriots visited with him very late in the process, which was telling."
So you would agree that the eventual results of this draft fall squarely on the shoulders of Bill?
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Let's all roll over and show grogan, dkf, mazz, I50, all them wizards, our belly's and throats. We're done for.
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Lazar and Bedard have both come around on the Thornton pick now.
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And with regard to believing Chevss454, I think most of moron homers are well aware that Chev knows more than any of us (and surely more than DKM and his ilk) about the Pats' inside goings on.
Hope we can all say the same about all of these picks once the season comes.
Matt Gates of XPE Sports in Ft. Lauderdale, who worked with the 6-foot-2, 181-pound Thornton for a 10-week stretch that began in early January, is optimistic.
"When we started pre-testing, I was like, 'Man, we've got something here,'" he said. "Super smooth. Super explosive. And honestly, for a guy that is that fast, you don't typically see someone who can change directions and catch the ball well. A lot of times you'll see straight-ahead wide receivers who can blow the top off it, but they can't run a route. Tyquan can do all that -- he's got good hands, he's smart, he picks things up quick."
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"When we started pre-testing, I was like, 'Man, we've got something here,'" he said. "Super smooth. Super explosive. And honestly, for a guy that is that fast, you don't typically see someone who can change directions and catch the ball well. A lot of times you'll see straight-ahead wide receivers who can blow the top off it, but they can't run a route. Tyquan can do all that -- he's got good hands, he's smart, he picks things up quick."
Why New England Patriots rookie Tyquan Thornton's blazing 40-yard dash is promising sign
New England is hopeful the second-round receiver, who ran the 40-yard dash in 4.28 seconds at the NFL combine, can make an early impact.
He better be right.Matt Gates of XPE Sports in Ft. Lauderdale, who worked with the 6-foot-2, 181-pound Thornton for a 10-week stretch that began in early January, is optimistic.
"When we started pre-testing, I was like, 'Man, we've got something here,'" he said. "Super smooth. Super explosive. And honestly, for a guy that is that fast, you don't typically see someone who can change directions and catch the ball well. A lot of times you'll see straight-ahead wide receivers who can blow the top off it, but they can't run a route. Tyquan can do all that -- he's got good hands, he's smart, he picks things up quick."
Why New England Patriots rookie Tyquan Thornton's blazing 40-yard dash is promising sign
New England is hopeful the second-round receiver, who ran the 40-yard dash in 4.28 seconds at the NFL combine, can make an early impact.
I think he was worth taking the risk. When you have that kind of speed, hands, cutting ability, and able to pick up schemes with ease then you have to take that chance. I think Bill recognizes that average speed is not going to cut it. Sometimes you have to roll the dice hoping you land the guy that will transform your offense.Matt Gates of XPE Sports in Ft. Lauderdale, who worked with the 6-foot-2, 181-pound Thornton for a 10-week stretch that began in early January, is optimistic.
"When we started pre-testing, I was like, 'Man, we've got something here,'" he said. "Super smooth. Super explosive. And honestly, for a guy that is that fast, you don't typically see someone who can change directions and catch the ball well. A lot of times you'll see straight-ahead wide receivers who can blow the top off it, but they can't run a route. Tyquan can do all that -- he's got good hands, he's smart, he picks things up quick."
Why New England Patriots rookie Tyquan Thornton's blazing 40-yard dash is promising sign
New England is hopeful the second-round receiver, who ran the 40-yard dash in 4.28 seconds at the NFL combine, can make an early impact.
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Yes. Obviously. It wasn't one of BB's best sign-offs...
Well maybe it will be, I hope it is. My main gripe is that when you go this far outside the majority consensus on every single pick, you're saying you know more than anyone else, so you better be right.
i don't think it's that they think they know more than anyone else...period. but i do think they know more about their model of teambuilding which is different from many other teams. so what is right for 1 team is not necessarily right for another. which is why 1 size fits all draft rankings can be misleading.