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I give mahomes credit . He did something that hasn't been done since joe Montana. Takings the chiefs to AFC championship game.
I just think you're making too many conclusions based on one year of production. History is full of too many guys who flash briefly and then regress because other teams get enough film on them (this often doesn't happen immediately and there's lag time), or they don't continue to improve for whatever reason, or they get injured, or the team around them regresses and they consequently don't look as good.
"Pieces in place" can go away sooner than you think in the FA/Salary Cap environment. Ask the Seahawks. Still good with a proven, talented clutch QB (who won once and almost twice), but their name players at other positions have left and they're not seriously threatening for the SB at the moment. There's no guarantee Wilson will ever win again, despite the fact that he's already won and performs well in big spots.
There's too many unknowns, and Chiefs fans seem WAY too excited WAY too early.
TBF - Shula is 19-17 in the playoffs, although he won 2 Super Bowls, 2 NFL Championships, and went to 6 Super Bowls total.
Also fuck Don Shula.
The peices in place which I am referring to are organizational. The ownership isnt going anywhere. Mahomes isnt going anywhere unless he gets iniured which is the biggest risk. Hill will get old and slow or leave. Kelce will get old or leave (he’s been incrediby durable so far). We will have to identify and draft elite talent over and over again. Our GM is 35 years old and expected to be the long term partner with Mahomes.
Comparing Mahomes to other QB’s is understandable. When you conpare him make sure that you 1) look at the stats and 2) use your eyes and tell me he looks the same as the other guys you are conparing him to.
looks EXACTLY Fav-ruh.
Comparing Mahomes to other QB’s is understandable. When you conpare him make sure that you 1) look at the stats and 2) use your eyes and tell me he looks the same as the other guys you are conparing him to.
Or year 2 Kaepernick. Really Favre though. Hey, Favre won...when he had a dominating defense and a stable running game.
were his stats that great? he was middle of the road talent, at best.Kapernick is prime examples. who put up impressive stats. Then not able to keep repeating it . It suffered when teams firguired out how to defend him in Read option. Forced him to make accurate throws in pocket .
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Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV
2011 24 SFO 7 3 0 3 5 60.0 35 0 0.0 0 0.0 19 7.0 7.0 11.7 11.7 81.2 74.4 0 0 7.00 7.00 0.0 0
2012 25 SFO qb 7 13 7 5-2-0 136 218 62.4 1814 10 4.6 3 1.4 57 8.3 8.6 13.3 139.5 98.3 71.8 16 112 7.27 7.55 6.8 1 1 9
2013 26 SFO QB 7 16 16 12-4-0 243 416 58.4 3197 21 5.0 8 1.9 64 7.7 7.8 13.2 199.8 91.6 65.7 39 231 6.52 6.65 8.6 2 3 15
2014 27 SFO QB 7 16 16 8-8-0 289 478 60.5 3369 19 4.0 10 2.1 80 7.0 6.9 11.7 210.6 86.4 60.9 52 344 5.71 5.58 9.8 3 2 12
2015 28 SFO QB 7 9 8 2-6-0 144 244 59.0 1615 6 2.5 5 2.0 76 6.6 6.2 11.2 179.4 78.5 43.4 28 166 5.33 4.94 10.3 4
2016 29 SFO QB 7 12 11 1-10-0 196 331 59.2 2241 16 4.8 4 1.2 65 6.8 7.2 11.4 186.8 90.7 49.5 36 207 5.54 5.92 9.8 1 1 9
Career 69 58 28-30-0 1011 1692 59.8 12271 72 4.3 30 1.8 80 7.3 7.3 12.1 177.8 88.9 171 1060 6.02 6.07 9.2 7 7 49
I said impressive stats. He was a 2 year wonder. What mahomes is Running is a pure speed offense . It almost reminds me of greatest show on turf.were his stats that great? he was middle of the road talent, at best.
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Trying to make this point to Chiefs fans is a lost issue. But I 100 percent agree with you. I said in another thread that Raiders fans literally thought Carr was the next Tom Brady two seasons ago (again he was very good that season with only 5 or 6 picks all season) and his completion percentage was very good as well.
These guys want to tell you that the 50 TDs make Mahomes different from these other guys. Not sure how it does. Other than they really want it to.
Get back to me in three years and we'll talk and have an actual evaluation.
These guys want to tell you that the 50 TDs make Mahomes different from these other guys. Not sure how it does. Other than they really want it to.
Get back to me in three years and we'll talk and have an actual evaluation.
so...he did what the 2011 Pats basically did? :shrug_n:
You guys are so cute with your desperation to believe that you're the ones who are going to end the Pats run. The Ravens thought that. The Raiders thought that. The only team that's been able to put a significant dent in it was the Broncos...and look what happened there when it was time to pay everybody.
Plaxico Burress: I've been playing against Tom Brady at Michigan State University and University of Michigan since 1998, and I've been watching him perform miracles at a legendary level for 20 years. He just has a chip on his shoulder you can't knock off. Eight straight AFC Championship Games? Those things don't happen in this business.
These guys want to tell you that the 50 TDs make Mahomes different from these other guys. Not sure how it does. Other than they really want it to.
Get back to me in three years and we'll talk and have an actual evaluation.
Exactly my point! I will be the first to admit he is great if he does this another couple seasons. I'm not rooting against the guy at all. Hell I actually like watching him play. My point is, Chiefs fans are so over the top excited..... what are they going to do if he even has an average season next year let alone a bad one like Dak had with Dallas in his second season as a starter? Yikes.
The off-season will have teams studying the Chiefs offense because it is so high powered, it will also start to show flaws in Mahomes, who is very different than Smith was. Last seasons tape is useless because Mahomes is different than Smith in so many ways. Even if the play calls are the same, the player under Center is completely different in his reads and risk taking.Exactly my point! I will be the first to admit he is great if he does this another couple seasons. I'm not rooting against the guy at all. Hell I actually like watching him play. My point is, Chiefs fans are so over the top excited..... what are they going to do if he even has an average season next year let alone a bad one like Dak had with Dallas in his second season as a starter? Yikes.
man I love Barry Manilow but this was not a favorite of mine.I think you know as well as I exactly what they'll do. They'll vanish, like ships in the fog, never to be seen again, unless of course he makes another run
man I love Barry Manilow but this was not a favorite of mine.
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We will have to identify and draft elite talent over and over again.
Comparing Mahomes to other QB’s is understandable. When you conpare him make sure that you 1) look at the stats and 2) use your eyes and tell me he looks the same as the other guys you are conparing him to.