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I give mahomes credit . He did something that hasn't been done since joe Montana. Takings the chiefs to AFC championship game.
The age of the Pat is NOT over. The time of the Chief...has NOT begun.
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The peices in place which I am referring to are organizational. The ownership isnt going anywhere. Mahomes isnt going anywhere unless he gets iniured which is the biggest risk. Hill will get old and slow or leave. Kelce will get old or leave (he’s been incrediby durable so far). We will have to identify and draft elite talent over and over again. Our GM is 35 years old and expected to be the long term partner with Mahomes.
Comparing Mahomes to other QB’s is understandable. When you conpare him make sure that you 1) look at the stats and 2) use your eyes and tell me he looks the same as the other guys you are conparing him to.
TBF - Shula is 19-17 in the playoffs, although he won 2 Super Bowls, 2 NFL Championships, and went to 6 Super Bowls total.
Also fuck Don Shula.
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looks EXACTLY Fav-ruh.
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Michael Vick was supposed to win multiple Superbowls when he was a young phenom as well.
Or year 2 Kaepernick. Really Favre though. Hey, Favre won...when he had a dominating defense and a stable running game.
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Look at the stats for ONE YEAR when comparing him to other guys?
The "eye test" should tell you your sample size is too small and you're biased because you're so thirsty for a great player who can deliver team success that hasn't existed for you for 50 years.
You're ignoring the example I gave which is Russell Wilson. Clutch, dynamic, attention-grabbing, Super Bowl-winning. But may or may not ever win again.
Kaepernick was the darling of the League and had the 49ers in the Super Bowl, and not just one game away from it. But he and the team regressed before he ever opened his mouth about politics.
Also, the media always ball-washes the ownership and GM of teams that have one or two good years in a row when they're right in the middle of performing well. See Seattle again. This has little bearing on whether a team that is currently perceived as having an excellent organizational structure will continue to do so.
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Kapernick is prime examples. who put up impressive stats. Then not able to keep repeating it . It suffered when teams firguired out how to defend him in Read option. Forced him to make accurate throws in pocket .
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were his stats that great? he was middle of the road talent, at best.
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Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV
2011 24 SFO 7 3 0 3 5 60.0 35 0 0.0 0 0.0 19 7.0 7.0 11.7 11.7 81.2 74.4 0 0 7.00 7.00 0.0 0
2012 25 SFO qb 7 13 7 5-2-0 136 218 62.4 1814 10 4.6 3 1.4 57 8.3 8.6 13.3 139.5 98.3 71.8 16 112 7.27 7.55 6.8 1 1 9
2013 26 SFO QB 7 16 16 12-4-0 243 416 58.4 3197 21 5.0 8 1.9 64 7.7 7.8 13.2 199.8 91.6 65.7 39 231 6.52 6.65 8.6 2 3 15
2014 27 SFO QB 7 16 16 8-8-0 289 478 60.5 3369 19 4.0 10 2.1 80 7.0 6.9 11.7 210.6 86.4 60.9 52 344 5.71 5.58 9.8 3 2 12
2015 28 SFO QB 7 9 8 2-6-0 144 244 59.0 1615 6 2.5 5 2.0 76 6.6 6.2 11.2 179.4 78.5 43.4 28 166 5.33 4.94 10.3 4
2016 29 SFO QB 7 12 11 1-10-0 196 331 59.2 2241 16 4.8 4 1.2 65 6.8 7.2 11.4 186.8 90.7 49.5 36 207 5.54 5.92 9.8 1 1 9
Career 69 58 28-30-0 1011 1692 59.8 12271 72 4.3 30 1.8 80 7.3 7.3 12.1 177.8 88.9 171 1060 6.02 6.07 9.2 7 7 49king of kings
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I said impressive stats. He was a 2 year wonder. What mahomes is Running is a pure speed offense . It almost reminds me of greatest show on turf.
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These guys want to tell you that the 50 TDs make Mahomes different from these other guys. Not sure how it does. Other than they really want it to.
Get back to me in three years and we'll talk and have an actual evaluation.
these idiots don't even realize that this wasn't his rookie season.
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He had a monster year. He's one of best young QBs in NFL history . This is his 1st year as starter. I haven't seen him win. Does must win come from behind victory.
Plaxico Burress: I've been playing against Tom Brady at Michigan State University and University of Michigan since 1998, and I've been watching him perform miracles at a legendary level for 20 years. He just has a chip on his shoulder you can't knock off. Eight straight AFC Championship Games? Those things don't happen in this business.
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And a big reason for that was because of the Bronco defense. Don't get me wrong I love Peyton Manning, but for god sakes Brock Osweiler was successful in Denver in 2015. Peyton was damn good the first 3 seasons he was there, but it was that nasty defence that Denver had.... One of the greatest in NFL history.
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Imagine if Burress played with Tom. That's a terrifying thought. Always thought Burress was a hell of a player. A little goofy in the head sure, but a hell of a player lol.
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Exactly my point! I will be the first to admit he is great if he does this another couple seasons. I'm not rooting against the guy at all. Hell I actually like watching him play. My point is, Chiefs fans are so over the top excited..... what are they going to do if he even has an average season next year let alone a bad one like Dak had with Dallas in his second season as a starter? Yikes.
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I think you know as well as I exactly what they'll do. They'll vanish, like ships in the fog, never to be seen again, unless of course he makes another run
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The off-season will have teams studying the Chiefs offense because it is so high powered, it will also start to show flaws in Mahomes, who is very different than Smith was. Last seasons tape is useless because Mahomes is different than Smith in so many ways. Even if the play calls are the same, the player under Center is completely different in his reads and risk taking.
lets see how season 2 goes.
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man I love Barry Manilow but this was not a favorite of mine.
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Why does anybody need to draft "elite" talent over and over? We don't.
Everybody we beat has more superstars than we do, because this is a salary cap league and Belichick has identified the best way to sustain excellence is to have a roster core made up of what I like to call "upper middle class" players. That is the little understood secret to why we're always good. We often trade down and draft 2nd rounders to be our core guys, at least we frequently do and they are easier signs than the premium, high 1st, world shakers. We beat people with a preponderance of solid, versatile talent, not glamour boys.
As far as Mahomes go, I'm in the minority here -- he's clearly a special talent and is years ahead of the curve in instincts and intelligence. His physical skills are ridiculous. He's like Russell Wilson squared, but it's his ability to play it any way he needs to that sets him apart. He can beat you in the pocket or out, by scheme or go to street ball on the fly. He runs smart and doesn't take a lot of hard shots. All the unique throws are the sizzle, but the dude has plenty of steak, too. He sees the fucking field at a very high level for somebody his age.
The bottom line is that Belichick is the best of all time when it comes to identifying weaknesses to attack or take advantage of, but I'm pretty sure he's been reaching for the Advil a lot this week, because you can't just pin him in the pocket like we do with a lot of the young, quick QBs. Mahomes is great at everything he tries.
Insane level of excellence. He scares the living shit out of me and that's the truth.
You've got a great team and they're going to be really hard to beat Sunday night. No doubt about it in my mind.
Much respect, but you'd be foolish to get cocky about the team that is coming your way. Believe all the "experts" telling everybody that we're weaker than in past years (read: wishful thinking) all you want.
Every Chiefs fan should have a little voice of doubt inside them right about now because we're pretty goddamned good at winning games like this.