Where will Cam end up?

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3 Point Stan said:
1) It would keep the door open for a media-fabricated "QB controversy"
2) They would have to employ an entirely different offensive scheme were Cam to come in and play

Cam is a QB. That is the singular position where guaranteed money goes to die sometimes.
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To your second point, that is why it never made sense to bring him back in the first place. He can't run our offense and now we have a rookie starting with Hoyer behind him.

If this was always the "plan." See if Mac can win the starting job and then release Cam, it is a horribly short-sighted plan at the most critical position. We should have gotten a competent bridge Qb who would have remained the back up like the Fins did last year with Tua/Fitz. I also don't understand why we didn't just trade for Minshew.
 
Mazz22 said:
To your second point, that is why it never made sense to bring him back in the first place. He can't run our offense and now we have a rookie starting with Hoyer behind him.

If this was always the "plan." See if Mac can win the starting job and then release Cam, it is a horribly short-sighted plan at the most critical position. We should have gotten a competent bridge Qb who would have remained the back up like the Fins did last year with Tua/Fitz. I also don't understand why we didn't just trade for Minshew.
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The timing wasn't right regarding Minshew. Meyer wouldn't trade him until he saw what Lawrence could do in preseason camp and games. And who knew Beathard would do anything?

BB needed an early backup plan if a) he couldn't get a QB in the draft and b) if that QB didn't get up to speed quickly. Cam provided that and he was cheap.
Getting Mac at 15 wasn't a sure thing.
We should be counting our blessings that Mac is performing as well as anyone could have expected. Hindsight has perfect vision.
Forget Fitzpatrick, too. BB would never put up with his turnovers plus Fitz wanted and got way bigger money.
 
chevss454 said:
The timing wasn't right regarding Minshew. Meyer wouldn't trade him until he saw what Lawrence could do in preseason camp and games. And who knew Beathard would do anything?

BB needed an early backup plan if a) he couldn't get a QB in the draft and b) if that QB didn't get up to speed quickly. Cam provided that and he was cheap.
Getting Mac at 15 wasn't a sure thing.
We should be counting our blessings that Mac is performing as well as anyone could have expected. Hindsight has perfect vision.
Forget Fitzpatrick, too. BB would never put up with his turnovers plus Fitz wanted and got way bigger money.
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I really thought timing was perfect IMO for Minshew. Mac was already outperforming Cam and if Bill knew he was not keeping Cam as the back up anyways then why not trade for him? A 6th his steal.

Are you content with Hoyer as our QB2? What if anything do you think Bill should do to upgrade the position? I am very fearful of this being an issue because Mac is a rookie and he will struggle during games. What I don't want to see is Mac getting trucked by the Miami defense, taking sacks and we have no one to put in and then Mac gets hurt because we leave him in there because Bill does not want to play Hoyer. You see what I mean? I think that is a very realistic scenario. I think the Bucs could do the same thing with their defensive front and wreak havoc on Mac and we don't have a quality back up to get him out of there and save the wear and tear and then we are stuck with Hoyer for an extended period of time which will kill our season IMO.
 
Undertaker #59* said:
I am just as comfortable with Hoyer as I was with Huard.
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UT - Huard was 27 years old in 2000 when we signed him to be a back up. He went 4-1 as a back up with the Dolphins the year prior when Marino got hurt. He was considered to be one of the top, if not the top back up in the league. I believe we paid him a million dollars per year which was big money for a back up then.

Hoyer is 35, will be 36 in October. In his last 19 starts going back to 2016, he is 1-18. Let me write that again, he is 1-18. We saw him play last year in the KC game which we would have won with just a competent QB but he was a complete disaster and cost us the game. He was demoted to third string then and stayed there the rest of the season. He should be a coach right now not a player. The idea of him taking another meaningful snap for us is terrifying to me. LOL
 
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I think it's pretty self evident that Belichick has always subscribed to the concept that "the only way to the superbowl is through our starting QB" and was never willing to spend resources on back up qb's that could be better spent elsewhere.
 
Stevo said:
I think it's pretty self evident that Belichick has always subscribed to the concept that "the only way to the superbowl is through our starting QB" and was never willing to spend resources on back up qb's that could be better spent elsewhere.
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This is completely false. When the Pats spent $100 mil on Bledsoe when Bill first came on, he signed Damon Huard to a 3 year/$3 million contract making him one of the highest paid back-ups in the league. We also had Bishop on the team who was drafted in 1999. The in Bill's first draft, he takes Brady in the 6th round as our 4th QB.

During Brady's entire tenure Bill drafted QBs every other season spending mid-round picks mostly and some late rounders and also signed high profile FAs vet QBs like Flutie and Testaverde who cost some money to sign. Also when we drafted Jimmy in 2014 and it was clear that he was chosen as the heir to Brady, Bill drafted Brissett in 2016 in the third round.

Bill has always spent on the QB position, both in contracts and in draft capital. This is what is baffling currently IMO. We have a rookie and literally no one behind him besides Hoyer who should be a coach. This goes back to the QB room not being upgraded at all from last year with the exception of adding Jones. This has NOT been Bill's trend at all as HC. In fact, IMO it is a sharp deviation from who he has always been.
 
PatsFan09 said:
WTF are you talking about? Bridge water is making $11.5 mil this year.

Yeah, we could have had him, all right…


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We spent $150 mil this off-season. We could have paid for Bridgewater.
 
Mazz22 said:
This is completely false. When the Pats spent $100 mil on Bledsoe when Bill first came on, he signed Damon Huard to a 3 year/$3 million contract making him one of the highest paid back-ups in the league. We also had Bishop on the team who was drafted in 1999. The in Bill's first draft, he takes Brady in the 6th round as our 4th QB.

During Brady's entire tenure Bill drafted QBs every other season spending mid-round picks mostly and some late rounders and also signed high profile FAs vet QBs like Flutie and Testaverde who cost some money to sign. Also when we drafted Jimmy in 2014 and it was clear that he was chosen as the heir to Brady, Bill drafted Brissett in 2016 in the third round.

Bill has always spent on the QB position, both in contracts and in draft capital. This is what is baffling currently IMO. We have a rookie and literally no one behind him besides Hoyer who should be a coach. This goes back to the QB room not being upgraded at all from last year with the exception of adding Jones. This has NOT been Bill's trend at all as HC. In fact, IMO it is a sharp deviation from who he has always been.
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This is a position devoid of context, both Testaverde and flutie were ancient by the time they were backing them up, and they were behind Cassel and when Brady went down they didn't pick up anyone to replace him. they went forward with only cassel annnnddd Hoyer? By and large, the backup for the patriots have been developmental players on rookie contracts not higher priced free agents, and most of that time they've only carried two QB's on the roster. Brissett and Garoppolo were an aberration, with 0 Combined starts between the two of them to begin the season. (And Bill got killed for that)
 
Stevo said:
By and large, the backup for the patriots have been developmental players on rookie contracts.
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That's not Hoyer. He is almost 36 and completely washed. Did you miss the KC game last year?
 
Mazz22 said:
We spent $150 mil this off-season. We could have paid for Bridgewater.
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As a backup…
You’re kidding me, right?

You were championing Huard because we got him for $1 mil.

But it’s better to spend $11.5 on a guy who may never play ?

That’s insane.


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PatsFan09 said:
As a backup…
You’re kidding me, right?

You were championing Huard because we got him for $1 mil.

But it’s better to spend $11.5 on a guy who may never play ?

That’s insane.


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Lol. Huard was making a million in 2000 which is equivalent to 11 mil now for a back up.

11.5 mil is nothing for a quality Qb/bridge guy. Cam would have made close to that if he hit his incentives.
When we resigned Cam there was no guarantee we were going to get Mac or any of the top Qbs so Teddy would have been perfect. We are not spending hardly anything on the position with Mac on his rookie deal so spending on a solid bridge guy was paramount. We were going to spend more than that if we got Jimmy.
 
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Mazz22 said:
11.5 mil is nothing for a quality Qb/bridge guy. Cam would have made close to that if he hit his incentives.
When we resigned Cam there was no guarantee we were going to get Mac or any of the top Qbs so Teddy would have been perfect. We are not spending hardly anything on the position with Mac on his rookie deal so spending on a solid bridge guy was paramount. We were going to spend more than that if we got Jimmy.
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Except that Mac is a better QB than Teddy, so that’s a waste of $11.5.


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PatsFan09 said:
Except that Mac is a better QB than Teddy, so that’s a waste of $11.5.


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Mac hasn't even played a down. He's not better than anyone yet.
But the larger point which you keep missing is Teddy is volumes better than Hoyer. If Mac struggles or gets hurt, Teddy can win you games. He went 5-0 with the Saints 2 years ago off the bench. 5 wins is worth 11 mil easy.
 
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