The Patriots' 2024 Off Season Thread

that's a fact.
but hiring mayo as a hc is the equivalent of hiring a business school grad with an internship at your company as your c.e.o.
Maybe, but his experience in his years on the field could also contribute to his skill set as a coach. Time well tell.

I'm sure there are others, but pro sports seems to me to be the only profession in which getting fired from your job instantly makes you a contender for other top jobs. In most jobs, getting fired means that you are not good at what you do. These owners recycle through names again and again (because they have experience?). Not quite what the rest of us face in life.
 
ummmm wut???
Mayo continued: "You look at the offensive side of the ball, however you want to slice it, whoever the quarterback is... the quarterback has to have some type of leadership ability and, hopefully we can get to that point where-- David Andrews great leader on the offensive side of the ball as well, Hunter Henry great leader on the offensive side of the ball. But what I will say is, it's hard to lead through tough times. And that's when you really start to see people change. You really start to see the attitudes change. People getting in small huddles and things like that, and that's when people are looking for a leader. When everything is not going right they're looking for a leader. When you're winning games it's easy, like, 'C'mon guys family on three: One two three family!', and then you go on a six-game losing streak and you're like forget it."

He was then asked specifically about Mac Jones and if the quarterback struggled in a leadership role in his third NFL season:

"I’m not saying that," Mayo explained. "What I will say is, when I think about Mac, he obviously has talent– and once again we’re in the evaluation phase. I will say with that, you know, the confidence of a player is very fragile, especially with these players now– like I’m an old man or something like that. But confidence goes a lot way and honestly as I continue to evaluate, as we continue to evaluate as a coaching staff, we’ll see. But you know these guys can play football, like they’re here for a reason. It’s not like we went over to Brockton High School and just pulled some people over here, right? These guys are players and at the end of the day there has to be a shared vision, there has to be– you know the players really have to feel like they’re being heard. They have to feel like they have
some stake in the gameplan so if it doesn’t go right, the accountability piece starts to show up. If you just throw some pages at [them], you know ‘Here, this is what we’re doing this week,’ not saying that that’s what we’ve done, but defensively we’ve always tried to take the input of the players, and they’re on the field…"

So from a coaching staff perspective, does Mayo think the Patriots let Mac Jones down?

"The thing I would say is, if you were to ask Mac Jones, he made mistakes along the way as well," said Mayo. "The coaching staff, we made mistakes along the way as well and I’m not just talking about the offensive coaching staff. One thing about Mac, you know everybody talks to Mac. Special teams, defensive players, offensive players and we were trying to help him with that confidence but I think everyone has– there’s enough blame to go around."
Im sick & tired of hearing “the confidence of a player is very fragile, especially with these players now.” Why not just say these new players are pussies.
 
Im sick & tired of hearing “the confidence of a player is very fragile, especially with these players now.” Why not just say these new players are pussies.
It’s the predictive programming that is making them this way…unfortunately
 
Finally a sports writer discusses the issue of cash spending!

it’s no secret the Patriots have been one of the lowest cash spending teams in the NFL.

That reality has to change. Spending to the cap is one thing, but the real money that’s doled out, a figure that’s largely derived from guaranteed money in contracts and what’s actually spent, is a truer indicator of a team’s commitment to bringing in talent.

As we learned during the past year, Kraft and Belichick seemed to be on different sides of the narrative when it came to who was responsible for not having a worthy roster.

Belichick put it out there that the Patriots were, on average, one of the teams that didn’t spend a ton of cash. He wasn’t pointing a finger at himself. The implication was that Kraft was tight with the purse strings.


“Our spending in 2020, our spending in 2021, and our spending in 2022 — the aggregate of that — was we were 27th in the league in cash spending,” Belichick said during his 2022 end-of-season press conference. “Couple years we’re low, one year was high, but over a three-year period, we are one of the lowest spending teams in the league.”

To no surprise, the Patriots owner waged a counter attack during the league meetings in March when asked about having that label. Kraft put the ball back in Belichick’s lap.

“He’s never come to me, and not gotten everything he wanted from cash spending,” Kraft said of Belichick, speaking to a small group of reporters. “We have never set limits."

“This is a project of passion, and we want to win
,” Kraft added. “Money-spending will never be the issue. I promise you. Or I’ll sell the team.”

this is what RKK stated in his stand-alone press conference on BB is gone day

[...] (Belichick) has the football intellect and understands the economics of the game that understands -- because most coaches coming into the mid 90s, late 90s -- didn't know how to put value into a salary cap where you had the parity of budgets he had the greatest ability to relate the two things. [...]

which I READ to say:

RKK likes to know that a surety of expenses will be commeserate w/ performance thereby equaling success in personnel matters

the word "value" being the same as "getting something good for less"

it will always smell to me that RKK is in fact "tight w/ the purse strings" ---the TOTAL AMOUNT of which is closely held to the vest

what I DO take issue w/ is intimating that BB always "got the $$ for what he wanted" therefore HE ALONE is responsible for the players we have had

bullshit....what it says to me is RKK had BB on a budget while saying "we have never set ($$) limits" leaving BB to dutifully execute that plan

Owner Project of Passion Schmuck
 
this is what RKK stated in his stand-alone press conference on BB is gone day

[...] (Belichick) has the football intellect and understands the economics of the game that understands -- because most coaches coming into the mid 90s, late 90s -- didn't know how to put value into a salary cap where you had the parity of budgets he had the greatest ability to relate the two things. [...]

which I READ to say:

RKK likes to know that a surety of expenses will be commeserate w/ performance thereby equaling success in personnel matters

the word "value" being the same as "getting something good for less"

it will always smell to me that RKK is in fact "tight w/ the purse strings" ---the TOTAL AMOUNT of which is closely held to the vest

what I DO take issue w/ is intimating that BB always "got the $$ for what he wanted" therefore HE ALONE is responsible for the players we have had

bullshit....what it says to me is RKK had BB on a budget while saying "we have never set ($$) limits" leaving BB to dutifully execute that plan

Owner Project of Passion Schmuck
Team Schmuck have a chastity belt on their checkbook
 
I'm thinking they're not going to spend anywhere near to the cap, and spin it as 'plenty of cap room for next year'.

They're already not paying Onwenu. Bourne has already intimated he's gone. Unless they can somehow get Dugger for cheap, I imagine some team's going to throw him a bunch of money. It's going to be ceramic dalmatian time come the few weeks before camp.

I'm thinking this is a money recouping year for Kraft Group. They're already saving $25 million for firing Belichick, and whatever they were paying O'Brien. Just don't be shocked, if they're running it back with Mac Jones, a slew of Walmart Dumpster free agents, spun under the auspices of fiscal responsibility - in a year where they're 70 million under the cap.

View: https://twitter.com/ezlazar/status/1749432335508856840?s=19
 
ummmm wut???
Mayo continued: "You look at the offensive side of the ball, however you want to slice it, whoever the quarterback is... the quarterback has to have some type of leadership ability and, hopefully we can get to that point where-- David Andrews great leader on the offensive side of the ball as well, Hunter Henry great leader on the offensive side of the ball. But what I will say is, it's hard to lead through tough times. And that's when you really start to see people change. You really start to see the attitudes change. People getting in small huddles and things like that, and that's when people are looking for a leader. When everything is not going right they're looking for a leader. When you're winning games it's easy, like, 'C'mon guys family on three: One two three family!', and then you go on a six-game losing streak and you're like forget it."

He was then asked specifically about Mac Jones and if the quarterback struggled in a leadership role in his third NFL season:

"I’m not saying that," Mayo explained. "What I will say is, when I think about Mac, he obviously has talent– and once again we’re in the evaluation phase. I will say with that, you know, the confidence of a player is very fragile, especially with these players now– like I’m an old man or something like that. But confidence goes a lot way and honestly as I continue to evaluate, as we continue to evaluate as a coaching staff, we’ll see. But you know these guys can play football, like they’re here for a reason. It’s not like we went over to Brockton High School and just pulled some people over here, right? These guys are players and at the end of the day there has to be a shared vision, there has to be– you know the players really have to feel like they’re being heard. They have to feel like they have
some stake in the gameplan so if it doesn’t go right, the accountability piece starts to show up. If you just throw some pages at [them], you know ‘Here, this is what we’re doing this week,’ not saying that that’s what we’ve done, but defensively we’ve always tried to take the input of the players, and they’re on the field…"

So from a coaching staff perspective, does Mayo think the Patriots let Mac Jones down?

"The thing I would say is, if you were to ask Mac Jones, he made mistakes along the way as well," said Mayo. "The coaching staff, we made mistakes along the way as well and I’m not just talking about the offensive coaching staff. One thing about Mac, you know everybody talks to Mac. Special teams, defensive players, offensive players and we were trying to help him with that confidence but I think everyone has– there’s enough blame to go around."
I don't have an issue with any of this. He's really just talking about getting players to buy-in and how it's different for this younger generation of modern players than when he played. There is no doubt in my mind that Bill lost that connection with the players after 2020. A lack of a true locker room leader was the icing on the cake. Mac ain't it but he's not going to throw him under the bus.
 
that's a fact.
but hiring mayo as a hc is the equivalent of hiring a business school grad with an internship at your company as your c.e.o.
Has similar experience to DeMeco Ryans, who took his team to Div. RD in his rookie season. It almost sounds like you're rooting for the team to lose instead of being cautiously excited about the future.
 
Im sick & tired of hearing “the confidence of a player is very fragile, especially with these players now.” Why not just say these new players are pussies.
Because not even you will tell Jalen Carter or Will Anderson to their face that they're pussies. Maybe I'm wrong.
 
Has similar experience to DeMeco Ryans, who took his team to Div. RD in his rookie season. It almost sounds like you're rooting for the team to lose instead of being cautiously excited about the future.
if i see something to get excited about,i will.
 
Even if they intend on spending, I'm not really sure any of our major holes are being filled in FA this year.

No long term answer at QB
No answer at LT
Probably an answer at RT if they just sign their own guy
I guess you can try to outbid everyone for Higgins or Pittman (assuming they even make it to FA)
Agree. The OL UFAs aren't great. We're honestly better off re-signing Onwenu and Brown (don't hate me). TEs aren't impressive, so we're probably better off re-signing Henry (we need 3). We need a RB2 (Zeke?) and a 3rd down back. WR UFAs have some elite players, sign one.

QB? That's the question. Do we pick BAP w/ #3 or 3rd QB off the board (only if we think that's the guy).

The offense is in shambles and it won't get fixed in one season (by anyone).
 
Agree. The OL UFAs aren't great. We're honestly better off re-signing Onwenu and Brown (don't hate me). TEs aren't impressive, so we're probably better off re-signing Henry (we need 3). We need a RB2 (Zeke?) and a 3rd down back. WR UFAs have some elite players, sign one.

QB? That's the question. Do we pick BAP w/ #3 or 3rd QB off the board (only if we think that's the guy).

The offense is in shambles and it won't get fixed in one season (by anyone).

I'm out on Brown, his play has been declining, his health has always been a bit on an issue, and his attitude is crap....not someone I want to pay top money to.
 
I'm out on Brown, his play has been declining, his health has always been a bit on an issue, and his attitude is crap....not someone I want to pay top money to.
Yea, can't argue with you there but when he's on he's one of the best LTs in the NFL. Just needs to be motivated like with Scar.
 
Yea, can't argue with you there but when he's on he's one of the best LTs in the NFL. Just needs to be motivated like with Scar.

You can't give Brown top tackle money and "hope" he's motivated to work hard. I'd rather bring back Onwenu.


Speaking of which, has anybody heard if Klemm is coming back?
 
Brown when healthy and motivated…easily one of the best LT’s. Brown when he’s not…borderline worthless.
 
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