Well said.
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Well said.
spacecrime
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No, no no.
Sorry.
I was posting with Mazz about the likelihood of Newton improving and I red a Middy post (yeah, I know, why?) but I thought it was hers. It was full of typical Middie crap and I recogized my error just y the style of the post.
Sorry, Mazz, I heartily apologize for anyone thinking I meant that you were Middy [shudders]
Mazz22
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As someone who scours websites for stats and such, I think you know very well that when doing stats to compare QBs, you try to compare players with similar careers. QBs with 100 starts or more are generally compared to each other as to take a QB with under 50 starts like Mayfield for example is not fair to either Mayfield or Newton.
The last time Julio Jones had any significant injury prior to last year is 2013. Your 'made of glass' argument is complete and utter nonsense.
but let's assume everything you say is true, every blessed word.
He's still the best WR on the Patriots roster, even under those conditions. You don't have to restructure a single penny from a single contract to get him. And all you do is shit on Belichick's draft picks anyway, so what does it matter if they give up a 2nd and a 3rd, or even a 1st and a 3rd?
The closer it gets to the start of the regular season, the Falcons' leverage will be gone.
They can't afford to keep him. Also, Jones wants out.
Thing is, I'd trade a first or a first and a kicker-pick for him. I'm just not sure it will necessarily cost that much. If Belichick holds a 2nd and 3rd out there, I don't know if any other team is going to outbid that, especially considering the Patriots are the only team that doesn't have to mess with contracts to fit him under the cap.
He's a top 5 WR in the league if he's healthy.
Roberto71
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Again, what Hawg pointed out is QBs don't get 10 wins on average, the teams they are on get them. There is a whole equal section across the line that the QB has absolutely no say in during game time, the defense and also STs. And on offense, the QB is doing shit without first and foremost the big guys up front blocking, then the RB being a threat, the WRs and TEs getting open and so on.
Roberto71
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Holy Moly! It's TommyD!!!
Mazz22
A reader lives a thousand lives before he dies.
The QB has the most effect on the outcome of the game. That is why they carry the W-L record and no other player does. A franchise QB is worth 10 wins every season barring injury and a complete dumpster fire of a roster. That is why they are so valuable and why we are hoping beyond hope that Jones turns out to be a franchise QB. They cover the other deficiencies on the roster.
Doesn't matter. Facts is facts. The guys you eliminated stay in until their % W/L is better than Cam's. 3 of them may not ever get there.
Oops, your bad again.
You forgot to add these I guys I listed who have won a SB who also have worse W/L% than Cam.
Trent Dilfer
Jim Plunkett
Doug Williams
Jeff Hostetler
Brad Johnson
Joe Namath
Eli Manning
Mazz22
A reader lives a thousand lives before he dies.
The guys with under 100 starts could all win SBs in the next 5 years or be out of the league. That's why you compare QBs with 100 starts to other QBs with 100 starts. The data is comparable. This is like stats 101.
It was your list. I was just going with the QBs you listed. You can add whoever you want. It still does not change that fact that Newtons has 3 winning seasons out of 10 and has awful mechanics due to his shoulder surgery. He is what he is. A washed QB that Bill is hanging on to because he is cheap.
Don't waste your breath. I've been down that road and debunked every pot hole.
He, Mazz and Middy (Inspector 50 now) don't see anyone's side but their own.
Go back to the original post. I added no one. The only change was that you subtracted some.
Think what you want to think but don't keep spewing your negativity on the rest of us who have hope Cam will improve and have good reason to believe he will
Sometimes it's better to remain silent...
Mazz22
A reader lives a thousand lives before he dies.
Um, no. This is a forum and ALL opinions are allowed to be shared whether YOU agree with them or not. The whole point of a forum is so all thoughts and opinions can be shared without censorship. If it bothers you because you want to be Mr. Positive all the time then just stop responding. It is not anyone's right to tell people to not post their opinions or be silent.
You're right. But when it gets on the edge, that's when a normal person's sense of propriety steps in to back off the accelerator.
Forums are for discussions for sure, but it's tiresome to deal with someone that twists and turns words and stats to fit their agenda. When proven otherwise it changes to it being just a matter of opinion and whatnot. Agreeing to disagree is part of the discussion, but understanding points shown and seeing them instead of blindly spouting the same stuff over and over gets old. You can't just sit there and say what you think is right when a counter point is very clear that dismisses your original point. It's just going in circles trying to get the other person to understand. That isn't the function of a forum.
Mazz22
A reader lives a thousand lives before he dies.
Is this the only forum you belong to? I only ask because I am on quite a few forums and this is exactly how they work. People have strong opinions and don't easily back off of them. I could just as easily accuse the other side of not seeing what I believe to very effective counter points to my position. But quite typically people are dug in. That being said, I actually did change my opinion on this trade but no one seemed to notice because they probably did not want to. I was against this trade a few days ago when this thread was first created and then I came around to not minding the trade after reading a lot of the posts saying why it would be good. So, I did in fact change my opinion based on the other side's posts.
