Inspector_50
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So Texans let Kenny Stills go. His contract is around 6 mil. Not sure its worth going after since the pats are not really contending, but....
Looking at the Patriots - 2020
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John Locke
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The Pats had 8 Opt out including some big time players. Hands down the most in the league. The next closest was 5. And this all happened right before the season started.
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Inspector_50
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I can say for sure, that a lot of opinions here are way different than other places. Thats not to say its more right or wrong in other places or here, but just a different vibe. For one, nobody is really happy about Cam and see him more of a stop gap. Second, a lot of them are rooting for draft picks at this point, and have kind of moved on past this season. The overall vibe of pats fans have changed from, being mad at winning by less than 20 to being happy about losing less than 20.
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John Locke
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I don't care for Patsfan so I don't go there, likely for that reason. But I'm in many football groups and run one on FB and I've seen little negativity.
Sounds like there are a bunch of ungrateful, instant gratification folks on that board if that's case.
Mazz22
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Expecting Bill to compete this season is not being ungrateful. That's his job as GM.
John Locke
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That is what other teams do to win now. load up for a run or 2 then suffer the consequences of pushing cap hits out.
Bill has done it in recent years because he knew he would only have Tom for a short while as he wanted to move on so he loaded up, won a SB and this year they paid the cap price. Bill is resetting the cap for long term success.
I love what he is doing.
John Locke
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Well, he tried with ea had to work with which ended up being decimated.
His job as GM is maximum success for the maximum amount of time and that's what he is doing.
Mazz22
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Who said anything about loading up? How about just improve the worst skill positions in the league?
Bill has never loaded up in the past. That is a myth he has tried to perpetuate to cover for this season. We have not signed any high profile FAs the last 6 years save for Gilmore. He was not even paying the GOAT as he was a team friendly deal since 2013. What he has done is pay high end contracts to aging vets without replacing them with younger talent in the draft. That is why the cap is so high this year. It is from his mis-management not because he went "all in."
John Locke
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On the first point, I've addressed that, with what money?
On the second point I didn't say Bill loaded up I was getting at that pushed contracts into the future to win now because Brady was still here. Paying the the price for that now, this year.
Don't think it's hard to understand.
If I had to guess and it is truly just a guess but you are butthurt and emotional over Bill wanting to move on from your binky. Sorry if that's not accurate. Not in yer head. Just certainly seems that way by your posts.
Mazz22
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What contracts did he push into the future for Brady? Please list them. What big name FAs did he sign besides Brown last year which he was desperate to sign because the WR corp was so putrid because he has not drafted any WRs or TEs.
Bill did not move on from Brady. Brady left as a FA because our team was so putrid. Easily the smartest move of his career. Reports said Bill was actually surprised Brady left as he figured Brady would play on crap deals with crap skill guys forever. Now we are all seeing just how bad this roster was/is with a different QB.
John Locke
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Bill has been pushing contracts forward for few years with restructurings of vets and the such. I will look into which one's later but it's obvious with 34.5 million in dead cap space this year and I'll give you one, TB12 who accounted for 13.5 million dead space this year to keep him here for 1 more run.
And Bill wanted to move on from Brady several years ago (year too early rather than a year too late, right?) but Bob put the kibosh on that. And that was big reason The Tom and Gisele's wanted outta dodge. The writing was on the wall.
I don't mean to be a jerk, I really don't but you are total Brady rumpswab and I don't think you are seeing things objectively, meaning as they are..
Mazz22
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Again, please list them. I agree about the aging vets which is why we are in the cap situation we are in because they are on high end contracts with no youth behind them which you seem to conveniently ignore every time you post. Bill's drafts have been awful for several years now. Brady was always going to have a dead cap hit whenever he left/retired and he played on team friendly deals since 2013. This putrid roster is 100 percent on Bill as he has left us with $1 mil Cam and the worst skill positions of any team. Normally when a team is in cap hell it is because they have a ton of talent on the team that team cannot pay anymore. Yet we are just the opposite. No talent and STILL at the cap. That is the mismanagement that Bill keeps trying to cover up.
If Bill did want to move on he was absolutely wrong on his "year too early, year too late" philosophy because we went to 3 SBs in a row from 2016-2018 and would have won all 3 if Bill did not bench Butler vs the Eagles.
Really surprised you devolved into an ad hominem attack. I thought you were above that as we have had some good conovs on here.
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Inspector_50
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The thing is, all teams push contracts forward, its not some genius plan, thing is, did he push a lot of amazing players? No, not really, Brady basically. Bill made some mistakes. Sanu, Brown, taking Harry in the first round even though some still think he is going to work. If Brady had pushed our Brady in 2017 that would have been a mistake, we went back to 2 superbowls and won 1. Jimmy has turned into an injury prone inconsistent QB Even with all his years of training. At some point the niners were scared to even let him throw last year and he was on a perfect team. Great defense, great oline, amazing run game and great targets. So Jimmy does not look like the answer and it would have been a mistake. Thing is, for all the crap fans get that like Brady and the things they say, its the same for Bill B. He makes mistakes, he has made mistakes, he will again make mistakes, everyone does. So the excuse that it was because he was all in. Yeah dont buy it and nothing really shows that. Most of the dead cap was Brady and Brown which was also a mistake and if he planned so much on letting Brady walk, why did they make the contract so they would be left in cap hell. Either BB did that on purpose or he flat out did not know Brady was going to walk, because if he did know Brady was leaving, then Bill made a mistake with that contract.
John Locke
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On the phone with my mom at the moment. So I'll get back in a bit.
But I really didn't think it was an ad hominem, character attack as I provided a reason I thought so. Sorry that it came across that way.
Well, Patriots had an NFL high 8 opt outs, not sure if you heard.
Mazz22
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LOL. Calling someone a rumpswap is pretty much the definition of an ad hominem attack. But no worries. I will await your response on the roster.
John Locke
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i actually just think of the rumpswab thing as someone that pulls for someone no matter what. Maybe I should look up the definition.
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LOL.
Your hatred of BB and your idol worship of Brady has truly warped your knowledge of the last year+.
BB has known for over a year that Brady was out. The writing was on the wall.
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Inspector_50
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I do not believe she hates BB nor worships Brady, I think its a fair question to wonder if Bill knew Brady was leaving why did he do a contract that would hurt the team for this year with 13 mil in cap hit? I have heard several times and even from Bill himself that he was not aware that Brady was leaving and if he was, then he messed up doing that contract. I wish we could have conversations on here without people attacking others because they dont hate Brady and do not think Bill has never made a mistake in his life.