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[sonsofkraftybob]

300

Anyone curious to see this? I really want to see the movie in the theatres but I think I'll wait for the BlueRay Disc and treat myself to a private viewing in my new home theatre.

http://300themovie.warnerbros.com/

I was always interested in the Greek/Persian battles.

Marathon: Where the term originated after the Persians landed 26 miles outside Athens a runner named Pheidiepedes ran 26 miles to Athens to warn the city.

Salamis: A major naval engagement.

Thermopylae: This is where 300 spartans (with the assistance of 700 regular soldiers) held off 250,000 persians at a mouintain pass that was a mere 2 yards wide while the main Greek army escaped. They held them off until they were betrayed and a Greek sold out and showed the Persians a back door...but it was too late and the main army escaped and that is why Greece is inhabited by Greeks and not Iranians to this very day.

I did a presentation in grade school about these battles but mainly about Thermopylae and the teacher INSISTED that I had my figure of 300 wrong. Said it was impossible and she gave me a B-. 2 days later she apologized and changed it to an A- (said I should have concentrated on the 3 battles equally but I know she was embarrassed that a 12 year old kid was smarter than her....and still is).

So, yeah, anyone looking forward to this movie? Thoughts on it?

 

[Jaric]

I have not been this excited about a movie in a long time.

I will be going as soon as it opens.

 

[Brownfan80]

I loved Sin City, so I'm curious how they visualize Frank Miller's style this time around. And it's been since I saw a badass battle movie.

 

[southcarolina]

Re: 300

They held them off until they were betrayed and a Greek sold out and showed the Persians a back door....

My god theres a funny joke in there somewhere, but i just dont think im man enough to ferret it out.....

 

[JD10367]

Re: 300

Anyone curious to see this? I really want to see the movie in the theatres but I think I'll wait for the BlueRay Disc and treat myself to a private viewing in my new home theatre.

It's coming out in IMAX as well, so you may want to reconsider that. (It'll probably be showing at both Jordan's theaters, in Natick and Reading.)

 

[BY1401]

Re: Re: 300

i just dont think im man enough to ferret it out.....

See post #4.

 

[BY1401]

I'm not looking forward to this movie.

Hollywood has proven time and again that movie writers failed their history classes.

 

[RoadGrader]

Re: 300

Thermopylae: This is where 300 spartans (with the assistance of 700 regular soldiers) held off 250,000 persians at a mouintain pass that was a mere 2 yards wide while the main Greek army escaped. They held them off until they were betrayed and a Greek sold out and showed the Persians a back door...but it was too late and the main army escaped and that is why Greece is inhabited by Greeks and not Iranians to this very day.

I did a presentation in grade school about these battles but mainly about Thermopylae and the teacher INSISTED that I had my figure of 300 wrong. Said it was impossible and she gave me a B-. 2 days later she apologized and changed it to an A- (said I should have concentrated on the 3 battles equally but I know she was embarrassed that a 12 year old kid was smarter than her....and still is).

So, yeah, anyone looking forward to this movie? Thoughts on it?

I too am a big fan of The Spartans and the Battle of Thermopylae which I can't remember all the details of any longer other than to recall thinking what friggin' bad-asses they must have been (kinda like Brad Pitt in "Troy")

but now you made me look this up and WTF do I NOW learn? -- where was this info when I was in HS????

Sexual Customs

Bisexual relations were commonplace among Spartan women, and it was considered acceptable for married Spartan women to have affairs with unmarried girls in their prime. This custom paralleled the mentoring relations between Spartan males and adolescent boys.

Women, being more independent than in other Greek societies, were able to negotiate with their husbands to bring their lovers into their homes. According to Plutarch in his Life of Lycurgus, men both allowed and encouraged their wives to bear the children of other men, due to the general communal ethos which made it more important to bear many progeny for the good of the city, than to be jealously concerned with one's own family unit. However, some historians argue that this 'wife sharing' was only reserved for elder males who had not yet produced an heir. For this reason, Plutarch claims that the concept of "adultery" was alien to the Spartans, and relates that one ancient Spartan had said that it was as possible to find a bull with a neck long enough to stand on a mountain top and drink from a river below, as to find an adulterer in Sparta.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparta

My god theres a funny joke in there somewhere, but i just dont think im man enough to ferret it out.....

my god that's so bad it borders on the good

 

[Ras]

I loved Sin City, so I'm curious how they visualize Frank Miller's style this time around. And it's been since I saw a badass battle movie.

I wouldn't be to worried about the style emulating Miller's take on this historical battle.

While Sin City was the creation of Miller, his 300 graphic novels was a paper reenactment of this battle. However, it does look like, by the trailers, to be in the same artistic flair of the Miller style.

I can't wait.....

 

[bideau]

Re: Re: 300

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparta

You forgot to include this part:

Around the same age, a boy was expected to find himself an older lover. Pederasty, a social practice common throughout most of Greece, was especially so in Sparta, where the ephors fined any eligible man who did not love a boy. However, Spartan pederasty, in contrast to customs prevalent elsewhere, was thought by some of the ancients to be of a chaste nature, although still inspired by erotic desire. Cicero asserts that, "The Lacedaemonians, while they permit all things except outrage (hubris, referring here to homosexual coitus) in the love of youths, certainly distinguish the forbidden by a thin wall of partition from the sanctioned, for they allow embraces and a common couch to lovers.'

The Spartans believed that encouraging the older, accomplished men of the city to have loving relations with adolescents was conducive to their education and the good of the city. Consequently, the title of the older lover was eispnelas, "inspirer," and for the younger beloved, aitas, "hearer." Male-to-male relationships served as a way to reinforce the masculine education of the Spartan boys.

 

[JD10367]

"Sexual Customs

Bisexual relations were commonplace among Spartan women, and it was considered acceptable for married Spartan women to have affairs with unmarried girls in their prime."

So Sparta was pretty much like nowadays?

 

[BY1401]

Re: Re: Re: 300

You forgot to include this part:

Shhhhh! Don't tell Tim Hardaway!

 

[Fully Tilted]

Re: 300

Anyone curious to see this? I really want to see the movie in the theatres but I think I'll wait for the BlueRay Disc and treat myself to a private viewing in my new home theatre.

http://300themovie.warnerbros.com/

I was always interested in the Greek/Persian battles.

Marathon: Where the term originated after the Persians landed 26 miles outside Athens a runner named Pheidiepedes ran 26 miles to Athens to warn the city.

Without looking it up, I thought that the runner ran 26 miles to report victory in some war and when he reached his destination he said "Nike" which I believe is Greek for "victory" and collapsed dead on the spot. I'm sure I'm wrong but just trying to recollect what I hardly paid attention to way back when. Now of course, I can't get enough of the History Channel, Discovery Times Channel etc.--go figure.

And yeah, I'm looking forward to this movie though I don't think I'll learn much. I have a feeling this movie is supposed to be more visually pleasing than educational.

 

[Dirtywater]

My buddy saw it and said it was great. He loved it, for what that's worth. I think it looks visually stunning.

 

[maxhagen]

I'm not looking forward to this movie.

Hollywood has proven time and again that movie writers failed their history classes.

The movie is based on Frank Miller's 300 comic who was based on the 1960s movie The 300, not in the actual battle of Thermoplylae.

It is said that the movie is a frame by frame copy of the comic. I have the comic and it is really, really good.

Can't wait...

 

[JD10367]

My buddy saw it and said it was great. He loved it, for what that's worth. I think it looks visually stunning.

I save accolades like "visually stunning" for things like Heather Graham and Bridget Moynahan playing tonsil-hockey, LOL. But I'm sure the movie looks good.

 

[SteelerFan87]

Re: 300

Anyone curious to see this? I really want to see the movie in the theatres but I think I'll wait for the BlueRay Disc and treat myself to a private viewing in my new home theatre.

http://300themovie.warnerbros.com/

I was always interested in the Greek/Persian battles.

Marathon: Where the term originated after the Persians landed 26 miles outside Athens a runner named Pheidiepedes ran 26 miles to Athens to warn the city.

Salamis: A major naval engagement.

Thermopylae: This is where 300 spartans (with the assistance of 700 regular soldiers) held off 250,000 persians at a mouintain pass that was a mere 2 yards wide while the main Greek army escaped. They held them off until they were betrayed and a Greek sold out and showed the Persians a back door...but it was too late and the main army escaped and that is why Greece is inhabited by Greeks and not Iranians to this very day.

I did a presentation in grade school about these battles but mainly about Thermopylae and the teacher INSISTED that I had my figure of 300 wrong. Said it was impossible and she gave me a B-. 2 days later she apologized and changed it to an A- (said I should have concentrated on the 3 battles equally but I know she was embarrassed that a 12 year old kid was smarter than her....and still is).

So, yeah, anyone looking forward to this movie? Thoughts on it?

1. At Marathon, the guy didn't run to Athens to warn them, he ran from the battle to the city to tell the Athenians they had won.

2. By "regular soldiers", I think you mean "soldiers from other Greek city-states".

3. The goal at Thermopylae wasn't to allow a Greek army to escape, it was to delay the Persians long enough for a bigger army to be raised. At the end of the battle, the Spartans told the other Greeks to leave, while they stayed to allow them to leave, and because Spartans don't retreat.

4. Wow, your teacher actually didn't know it was 300? That's the most famous thing about the battle! The old movie about it was called "The 300 Spartans". Of course, I once had a teacher argue with me over whether the captain of the Titanic was the guy who pretended to be a woman so he could get off the ship. And this was right after the movie came out.



Oh, and to clear us what RG was talking about, the whole "mentor" thing didn't involve gay sex. I remember reading something where a Spartan guy was quoted as saying that if one of these "mentors" had sex with a boy, he would have to either be exiled or kill himself to make up for the dishonor he brought to Sparta. Most of the whole "Spartans have gay sex" thing was just started by the Athenians, who used it as a joke.

 

[RoadGrader]

Re: Re: Re: 300

You forgot to include this part:

[....]The Spartans believed that encouraging the older, accomplished men of the city to have loving relations with adolescents was conducive to their education and the good of the city. Consequently, the title of the older lover was eispnelas, "inspirer," and for the younger beloved, aitas, "hearer."[...]

I'd like to fancy myself as a modern day Spartan with a more mainstream, straight approach

an "Insprirer" to young beloved females....unfortuately for me, in all cases, the chickies ain't be "hearering" any of what I be sellin'

 

[bideau]

Women were no shirnking wall flowers in ancient Sparta. They were the equal of men in most aspects of society. They were also trained for combat. While the Spartan armies were away, the women were expected to defend the city with the same skill as the men.

Women were allowed to take part in political debates and hold government positions. Athenian women, in contrast, were not expected to be seen outside their house without a male escort and were certainly forbidden from speaking in public.

Women competed against men in sporting events, which were really combat training excerises. If a woman was expected to defend the city, she had to be able to compete physically against a man. RG, they competed naked

One of the cable channels (Discovery, History...not sure which) had an excellent series on Sparta. I wouldn't be surprised to see it on again in the next few weeks with the movie being released.

 

[WisColtFan7]

Reading the title of this thread, I thought you had a good night at the bowling alley......