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http://www.adn.com/2011/07/24/1983379/grizzly-sow-attacks-group-of-seven.html
Grizzly attacks 7 teens in Talkeetna Mountains
TEENAGERS: Two suffer life-threatening injuries on extreme survival course.
By CASEY GROVE

A grizzly bear sow with a cub attacked a group of teenagers on a month-long survival-skills course Saturday night in the Talkeetna Mountains, causing severe injuries to two of the hikers, according to Alaska State Troopers.

The bear pounced as the seven hikers were crossing a creek about 8:30 p.m. Saturday, troopers spokeswoman Megan Peters said.

Two of the teenagers suffered life-threatening injuries, and the other five were also injured, either by the bear or from exposure, Peters said.
Troopers and Alaska Air National Guard rescuers eventually evacuated the group, Peters said.

The hikers were all between 16 and 18 years old, and were participating in a National Outdoor Leadership School course, Peters said.

The group was on the 24th day of a 30-day backpacking trip, school spokesman Bruce Palmer said by phone from Wyoming. It was the group's first day unaccompanied by adult instructors, Palmer said.

"For the last bit of the course, we would have them travel as a student group without the instructors, utilizing the skills that they've learned over time," Palmer said.

The mauling occurred deep in the wilderness of the mountains east of the Parks Highway. According to a statement from the National Outdoor Leadership School, it was about 45 miles northeast of Talkeetna.
Troopers said it was about 34 miles east of Mile 143 of the Parks Highway. The Byers Lake campground in Denali State Park is at Mile 147.

The seven group members were in a line, calling out to make noise as they crossed the creek, Palmer said. The first hiker had apparently made it out of the water and was out of sight of the others when he began screaming, Palmer said.

The grizzly mauled the teen, attacked another group member, then returned to the first victim, Palmer said.

"It sounds like it was moving around within the group," Palmer said. The hikers carried three canisters of bear spray, but there was no initial indication that the hikers used the repellent, Palmer said.

Two 17-year-olds -- Joshua Berg of New City, N.Y. and Samuel Gottsegen of Denver -- suffered life-threatening bite and puncture wounds, Palmer said.
The rest of the group included Samuel Boas, 16, of Westport, Conn.; Noah Allaine, 16, of Albuquerque, N.M.; Simeon Melman, 17, of Huntington, N.Y.; Victor Martin, 18, of Richmond, Calif.; and Shane Garlock, 16, of Pittsford, N.Y.

The teens started first aid, made a camp and activated a locator beacon the instructors had given them. The Alaska Air National Guard's Rescue Coordination Center received the beacon transmission and notified troopers about 9:30 p.m. Saturday, Peters said.

The troopers' Helo 1 flew from Fairbanks with a pilot and trooper onboard and located the camp about 2:45 a.m., Peters said.

Berg and Gottsegen were so badly injured that troopers decided it would be safer for responders with more medical experience and better equipment to evacuate them, Peters said.

"We did not want to make them worse," Peters said. "We felt that if we moved them, they might not make the trip back."

In the meantime, Helo 1 rescued four of the teenagers with less serious injuries and flew them to Talkeetna, where an ambulance took them to Mat-Su Regional Medical Center, Peters said.

Pararescuemen aboard an Air National Guard helicopter arrived about four hours later and evacuated the three remaining group members, including Berg and Gottsegen and the trooper, Peters said. That group was flown directly to Providence Alaska Medical Center in Anchorage, she said.
Alaska Wildlife Troopers and state Department of Fish and Game biologists are discussing what to do about the bear, which troopers were still looking for Sunday afternoon, Peters said.

Another group of seven teenagers and three adult instructors was still in the area late Sunday and awaiting air transport, Palmer, the school spokesman, said.

The National Outdoor Leadership School is a not-for- profit organization that aims to teach leadership skills in wilderness settings around the United States, according to its website.

The expeditions instruct students on outdoor techniques that will allow them to later lead their own excursions into the backcountry, Palmer said. The school has been operating in Alaska for 40 years, he said.

Saturday's bear attack is only the second in the school's history, and the only mauling involving a grizzly, Palmer said. In 2003, a black bear wandered into a camp in Utah and bit a student, he said.

The bear pounced as the seven hikers were crossing a creek about 8:30 p.m. Saturday, troopers spokeswoman Megan Peters said.

Two of the teenagers suffered life-threatening injuries, and the other five were also injured, either by the bear or from exposure, Peters said.
Troopers and Alaska Air National Guard rescuers eventually evacuated the group, Peters said.

The hikers were all between 16 and 18 years old, and were participating in a National Outdoor Leadership School course, Peters said.

The group was on the 24th day of a 30-day backpacking trip, school spokesman Bruce Palmer said by phone from Wyoming. It was the group's first day unaccompanied by adult instructors, Palmer said.

"For the last bit of the course, we would have them travel as a student group without the instructors, utilizing the skills that they've learned over time," Palmer said.

The mauling occurred deep in the wilderness of the mountains east of the Parks Highway. According to a statement from the National Outdoor Leadership School, it was about 45 miles northeast of Talkeetna.
Troopers said it was about 34 miles east of Mile 143 of the Parks Highway. The Byers Lake campground in Denali State Park is at Mile 147.

The seven group members were in a line, calling out to make noise as they crossed the creek, Palmer said. The first hiker had apparently made it out of the water and was out of sight of the others when he began screaming, Palmer said.

The grizzly mauled the teen, attacked another group member, then returned to the first victim, Palmer said.

"It sounds like it was moving around within the group," Palmer said. The hikers carried three canisters of bear spray, but there was no initial indication that the hikers used the repellent, Palmer said.

Two 17-year-olds -- Joshua Berg of New City, N.Y. and Samuel Gottsegen of Denver -- suffered life-threatening bite and puncture wounds, Palmer said.
The rest of the group included Samuel Boas, 16, of Westport, Conn.; Noah Allaine, 16, of Albuquerque, N.M.; Simeon Melman, 17, of Huntington, N.Y.; Victor Martin, 18, of Richmond, Calif.; and Shane Garlock, 16, of Pittsford, N.Y.

The teens started first aid, made a camp and activated a locator beacon the instructors had given them. The Alaska Air National Guard's Rescue Coordination Center received the beacon transmission and notified troopers about 9:30 p.m. Saturday, Peters said.

The troopers' Helo 1 flew from Fairbanks with a pilot and trooper onboard and located the camp about 2:45 a.m., Peters said.

Berg and Gottsegen were so badly injured that troopers decided it would be safer for responders with more medical experience and better equipment to evacuate them, Peters said.

"We did not want to make them worse," Peters said. "We felt that if we moved them, they might not make the trip back."

In the meantime, Helo 1 rescued four of the teenagers with less serious injuries and flew them to Talkeetna, where an ambulance took them to Mat-Su Regional Medical Center, Peters said.

Pararescuemen aboard an Air National Guard helicopter arrived about four hours later and evacuated the three remaining group members, including Berg and Gottsegen and the trooper, Peters said. That group was flown directly to Providence Alaska Medical Center in Anchorage, she said.
Alaska Wildlife Troopers and state Department of Fish and Game biologists are discussing what to do about the bear, which troopers were still looking for Sunday afternoon, Peters said.

Another group of seven teenagers and three adult instructors was still in the area late Sunday and awaiting air transport, Palmer, the school spokesman, said.

The National Outdoor Leadership School is a not-for- profit organization that aims to teach leadership skills in wilderness settings around the United States, according to its website.

The expeditions instruct students on outdoor techniques that will allow them to later lead their own excursions into the backcountry, Palmer said. The school has been operating in Alaska for 40 years, he said.

Saturday's bear attack is only the second in the school's history, and the only mauling involving a grizzly, Palmer said. In 2003, a black bear wandered into a camp in Utah and bit a student, he said.

And the definitive comment:


by onejim1

This was a stupid and tragic blunder that needn't have happened.

No, the mama bear most likely wasn't looking for food, that first hiker probably came busting up out of that creek and into the brush and got right between her and her baby and she wasn't having any of that. Then all the screaming started and she became confused and had to really go to work to protect that cub from whatever it was that had descended on them.

I've lived here in the 'bush' for 50 years and here's some of what I've learned:

It's so simple: DO NOT GET IN A BEAR'S SPACE. Just stay out of any area near any brush.

This is Alaska not Yellowstone and this why...One is required by law to have a licensed Alaskan guide when hunting grizzlies.

One always carries a high powered rifle when in any remote region that may possibly be bear country.

People should always avoid any region that may possibly be bear country, even trails within the city.

"Bear Spray" is looked upon as a joke by most veteran Alaskans.

One does not send a bunch of outdoor-wannabe kids from the Lower 48 out into the bush unattended.

If there is no choice and circumstances dictate that you MUST go into the woods ALWAYS carry a loaded highpowered rifle that you know how to use at the blink of an eye because that's exactly how much time you're going to have to swing that gun around, get the safety off, point it and get one, just ONE shot off. If you're lucky. And you'd better stick the barrel in his mouth or eye before you shoot because if the bullet hits that rounded, sloping skull it's going to sldie right on over and not faze him one bit. Also, his heart is going to continue to beat for just a little while after a 'good' shot, so he's still going to have time to do you some damage.

Remember people, grizzlies have no natural enemies, they are the supreme rulers of all they survey.

Maybe these bits of knowlege will help someone else decide to stay out of places they have no business being in the first place.



Cheers, BostonTim
 
Maybe these bits of knowlege will help someone else decide to stay out of places they have no business being in the first place.
Works for me;)
 
I really don't need to be reading this stuff right now. In two weeks, my daughter and her boyfriend are taking my wife and I camping in Yellowstone for two nights. My wife has been somewhat joking about running into bears (and only half-joking).

Just a few days after assuring us that no one had been killed by a bear in Yellowstone for many years, some guy gets killed by a grizzly (a case of him doing something stupid...approaching a couple of cubs).

We will be in an organized camping site, but.....

My wife and I's idea of roughing it is a hotel with only a continental breakfast. Hoo-boy :blink:
 
I really don't need to be reading this stuff right now. In two weeks, my daughter and her boyfriend are taking my wife and I camping in Yellowstone for two nights. My wife has been somewhat joking about running into bears (and only half-joking).

Just a few days after assuring us that no one had been killed by a bear in Yellowstone for many years, some guy gets killed by a grizzly (a case of him doing something stupid...approaching a couple of cubs).

We will be in an organized camping site, but.....

My wife and I's idea of roughing it is a hotel with only a continental breakfast. Hoo-boy :blink:

do not pack Tuna to snack on...they love the scent!!!
 
I really don't need to be reading this stuff right now. In two weeks, my daughter and her boyfriend are taking my wife and I camping in Yellowstone for two nights. My wife has been somewhat joking about running into bears (and only half-joking).

Just a few days after assuring us that no one had been killed by a bear in Yellowstone for many years, some guy gets killed by a grizzly (a case of him doing something stupid...approaching a couple of cubs).

We will be in an organized camping site, but.....

My wife and I's idea of roughing it is a hotel with only a continental breakfast. Hoo-boy :blink:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/07/28/us-usa-bear-attacks-idUSTRE66R5VK20100728

Bear kills man, injures two near Yellowstone Park


By Laura Zuckerman
SALMON, Idaho | Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:33pm EDT

(Reuters) - One man was killed and a man and a woman were injured by bear attacks in the middle of the night on Wednesday at a popular campground on the edge of Yellowstone Park, wildlife officials said.
Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks Department spokesman Ron Aasheim said it was believed one bear was involved and at least two tents were left in tatters in the attack, which occurred at the height of the tourist season.
"I thought I would be dinner," said Deb Freele, 58, of London, Ontario, who recalled awakening from a deep sleep in her tent to find a bear chewing on her arm.
"Within hundredths of seconds, I felt the teeth in my arm, heard bones breaking. I screamed and that seemed to aggravate him. He sunk his teeth into me again," she recounted in a telephone interview from her hospital room in Cody, Wyoming.
"So I decided to play dead and mean it," she said, adding that when she did, the bear, which she believed was a grizzly, let go and lumbered away.
Investigators were still trying to determine if the animal was a black bear or a grizzly, Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks Department spokesman Ron Aasheim said.
He said the attacks appeared to be unprovoked, and that the presence of food, which often attracts bears and other wildlife into campgrounds, did not appear to be a factor. Such "random predatory" bear attacks on humans are rare, he said.
The last fatal bear attack in Montana was in 2001, when a grizzly mauled and killed a hunter who was dressing out an elk, Aasheim said.
Soda Butte, which offers 27 campsites in a national forest known for its blue-ribbon trout fishing, was immediately evacuated and nearby campgrounds were closed after Wednesday's attacks, he said. The incident occurred at the height of the tourist and camping season in the Gallatin.
Wildlife officials launched an all-out search for the bear, or bears, including the use of airplanes and helicopters on the lookout for radio-collared animals or others in the vicinity. Bear traps also were being set in the campground.
The man killed was described as being middle-aged, but no other information about him was immediately released. Freele, and a man who was not identified were taken to a hospital in Cody, Wyoming, with injuries suffered in separate encounters.
An investigation was under way to piece together events.
"It's a horrible tragedy," Aasheim said, adding, "When you're in bear country, there's always that potential."
Tony Latham, a retired conservation officer who has investigated previous bear maulings in the region, said predatory attacks on people are unusual, especially if fatal.
"In my 22 years as an officer in Idaho, there was only one predatory attack, and the person got away by getting into a river," he said. "I don't believe there was ever anyone killed in Idaho by a bear in those 22 years."
(Additional reporting by Ruffin Prevost in Cody, Wyoming, and James Nelson in Salt Lake City; Writing by Steve Gorman; Editing by Greg McCune and Eric Walsh)




Sorry... I felt you should know...
 
machine gun with a grenade launcher would be my choice of weapon...

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Rule number one of wilderness survival:

You don't have to outrun the bear, you have to outrun at least one person you are with.
 
When I read this part,

A grizzly bear sow with a cub attacked a group of teenagers​

my first thought was not all that different than the comment posted.

If a bear has her cub nearby, you are in very deep doo doo.


I really don't need to be reading this stuff right now. In two weeks, my daughter and her boyfriend are taking my wife and I camping in Yellowstone for two nights. My wife has been somewhat joking about running into bears (and only half-joking).

Just a few days after assuring us that no one had been killed by a bear in Yellowstone for many years, some guy gets killed by a grizzly (a case of him doing something stupid...approaching a couple of cubs).

We will be in an organized camping site, but.....

My wife and I's idea of roughing it is a hotel with only a continental breakfast. Hoo-boy :blink:

Rule #1. Do not leave any food of any kind in your tent or near your campsite when you go to sleep. Hang it in a tree a good bit from your campsite.

Rule #2: Don't forget rule #1.

Seriously, if you're in an area where the bears have some contact with humans, a very common reason an attack happens is when the bear enters their campsite to scavenge for food and hurts the people in the process. If you move the food away from your campsite, they are far more likely to simply go get the food and leave you alone.
 
Also make sure your clothes have no cooking or food scents when your sleeping... If you decide to go for a hike make some noise and talk a lot. Most bears don't want any confrontation and if they hear you the have a chances to get away,but if your quiet as a mouse and stumble into one and surprise it...well you know the ending...
 
The kids did most of the job right, making noise so the the bears knew that they were there. Normally the noise will solve the problem. I do agree that it would have been better if the kids had a 375 H&H Magnum or a 30.06 loaded with 220 grain rounds but they did what they could with what they had. Every year until the last two we have camped at various rivers in Montana and Idaho and have had no problems with grizzly bears by making noise and guarding our food. I did have a permit for a 30.06 rifle and a 44 magnum handgun for protection. Sympathies with the victims but they did everything right outside of being armed.
 
I really don't need to be reading this stuff right now. In two weeks, my daughter and her boyfriend are taking my wife and I camping in Yellowstone for two nights. My wife has been somewhat joking about running into bears (and only half-joking).

Just a few days after assuring us that no one had been killed by a bear in Yellowstone for many years, some guy gets killed by a grizzly (a case of him doing something stupid...approaching a couple of cubs).

We will be in an organized camping site, but.....

My wife and I's idea of roughing it is a hotel with only a continental breakfast. Hoo-boy :blink:



Can I have your casino cash before you go? :coffee:
 
Rule number one of wilderness survival:

You don't have to outrun the bear, you have to outrun at least one person you are with.

Hmmm... Seeing how I probably do the 40 in around 20 seconds flat, I'm probably going to decline that invitation I received to go bear hunting.
 
Everyone is so full of encouragement.
The only person I'll try to outrun is the boyfriend. Nothing that a strategically placed foot can't take care of.

My daughter says that we'll be equipped with bear lockers. She claims that the lockers are to keep the food airtight so the smell doesn't even attract anything. She already knows about the noise making. She also says most people find trouble when they go off the most traveled trails. Typically, the bears avoid places where they know the humans are most common. The guy that was killed a few weeks ago was off in a corner of the park that few people go into.

Also, late spring and early summer are the most risky times. The bears are just waking up and fairly grumpy.

As far as the story from last year, it was found that a photographer had been baiting the bears for several weeks so he could get pictures. The campers had gone into the campground completely unaware that the bears had been lured there. Last I heard, the guy was going to be charged with involuntary man slaughter.

If we survive, I should have some good pics to be shared on facebook. The other 9 days will be in Missoula, MT where she lives. There are 5 breweries in the area, so I'll be enjoying the local sprits.
 
Everyone is so full of encouragement.
The only person I'll try to outrun is the boyfriend. Nothing that a strategically placed foot can't take care of.

My daughter says that we'll be equipped with bear lockers. She claims that the lockers are to keep the food airtight so the smell doesn't even attract anything. She already knows about the noise making. She also says most people find trouble when they go off the most traveled trails. Typically, the bears avoid places where they know the humans are most common. The guy that was killed a few weeks ago was off in a corner of the park that few people go into.

Also, late spring and early summer are the most risky times. The bears are just waking up and fairly grumpy.

As far as the story from last year, it was found that a photographer had been baiting the bears for several weeks so he could get pictures. The campers had gone into the campground completely unaware that the bears had been lured there. Last I heard, the guy was going to be charged with involuntary man slaughter.

If we survive, I should have some good pics to be shared on facebook. The other 9 days will be in Missoula, MT where she lives. There are 5 breweries in the area, so I'll be enjoying the local sprits.
Drink the beer first and eat some chili. Rumors are that farts repel bears.:Fart:
 
Drink the beer first and eat some chili. Rumors are that farts repel bears.:Fart:

My wife plans on bringing lots of liqour so she won't care one way or the other.
 
Try playing dead:




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