We"re on to the Ravens and the Divisional Game

Pulled this little gem from the Ravens fansite, I highlighted the obvious flaws.

I started laughing after reading his "analysis" of the Pats, considering the Bengals beat them twice.



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<!--cached-Thu, 08 Jan 2015 23:57:44 +0000-->beanfigger, on 08 Jan 2015 - 2:19 PM, said:
Who exactly said they shouldn't be favored? Just because we present optimism about OUR team doesn't mean we are counting you guys out. We all know how strong the Pats are, but what do you expect? You want us to go into detail on how we have no chance and list all the reasons that our own team will lose?

I don't think they are that strong
the Kansas city chiefs will tell you they ain't that strong
the Pack dominated them though the score was artificially close
the lions were pretenders
we've all seen how hot and cold the bengals can be
their schedule results do not impress me...that's right me
their best relative merit indicator is the two close games to the defensive jets, when you analyze the pats focus on those jet games and our rex ryan

I don't like that team and if they are lucky enough to get past us they don't have what it takes to win a title

let the fun begin!
 
Pulled this little gem from the Ravens fansite, I highlighted the obvious flaws.

I started laughing after reading his "analysis" of the Pats, considering the Bengals beat them twice.

How can you spend 5 minutes reading that rah-rah bullshit?

Half the posts end in "Go Team!"

****ing idiot fans. They might be worse than Broncos fans.
 
New England (-7) v. Baltimore

PLAY DESIGN DIFFERENTIAL RANKINGS: New England 15th; Baltimore 14th
PLAYER PRODUCITIVITY DIFFERENTIAL RANKINGS: New England 15th; Baltimore 11th
TURNOVER MARGIN: New England T2nd (+12); Baltimore T14th (+2)

Some people are slow learners. In 2009, Baltimore came to Foxboro as 4-point underdogs and left with a 33-14 win. In 2011, the Ravens arrived as 7-point underdogs and may have left with a win if kicker Billy Cundiff had not missed a last second field goal. In 2012, Baltimore returned for a third time as 7.5-point underdogs and left with a 28-13 win. Now the Ravens are again 7-point underdogs. Sigh. As the play design differential statistics show, these teams are dead even. The perception is that Baltimore's secondary is a liabilty, but safety Will Hill is the kind of player that can keep tight end Rob Gronkowski from enjoying a monster day. The Ravens corners are not great, but you don't need great corners to slow down New England because the Patriots have workmanlike, not dynamic, wide receivers. With Terrell Suggs, Elvis Dumervil and Courtney Upshaw bringing pressure, Baltimore's defense should be fine. John Harbaugh's bigger concern should be how his offensive line can slow down New England's pass rush led by resourceful Rob Ninkovich and Chandler Jones, who returned from a hip injury to play the last 3 games of the regular season. Harbaugh has to be hoping LT Eugene Monroe can play after missing the last 2 games with an ankle injury. Undrafted rookie James Hurst has filled in for Monroe and he could be a major liabilty. New England is plus-95 turnovers in its last 96 regular season games since 2009. But the Patriots are -7 turnovers in their last 3 playoff games with Baltimore. That probably won't happen again. Unless Flacco loses his accuracy, as he occasionally does, look for a hard-hitting, low-scoring game that is decided by a field goal.

QC's Guess: Baltimore Ravens SU & ATS
http://www.quantcoach.com/
 
I just feel like you and so many others are ignoring half the game.

How are the Ravens going to score consistently on this defense? Do they score 20? Why will they do what no offense has been able to since Green Bay? Do they have Green Bay's weapons?

No, they have a fly pattern guy and a 35-year old midget possession guy - along with a TE that runs in cement. Last I checked, they also don't have Aaron Rodgers.

This defense has been filthy since the Bengals game, and no team other than Green Bay has put up significant points or yards on them, with the exception of garbage time.

And Green Bay only scored 6 in the 2nd half of that game.

They're going in as healthy as they have been all year.

I mean, throw in a healthy Gronkowski, and two other competent WRs, and another who has come on in the last month of the season...

I don't see how they don't roll. I just don't.

Last time these teams played, in Baltimore, with a playoff spot on the line for the Ravens, the Patriots (with a defense not even half as good as this one) gave up 7 points, and scored 27 pre-garbage time, and were in complete control of the game the entire game. Also, no Gronk.

The key matchup isn't the 30-somethings on the D-line for the Ravens, vs. the Patriots offensive line.

It's the Ravens offense in total vs. the best Patriots defense in 10 years.

While I agree with most of what you're saying and fully expect our defense to shut down the Ravens and most likely hold them to 20 or under, the following numbers are what concern me a bit :14, 14, 21, 17, 13, 16. Those are our offensive outputs in our last 6 playoff losses, so even if the Ravens only score 17 points if the offense shits the bed again we could still lose. Now granted none of those featured a healthy Gronk which changes the equation significantly.

I doubt anyone is "scared" of the Ravens its just that in the AFC the Ravens are the only defense that has a chance of replicating the performance that has been our downfall in the past. I'd be very (pleasantly mind you) surprised if we blow them out, more likely a close game until we pull away late something like a 24-13.
 
How can you spend 5 minutes reading that rah-rah bullshit?

Half the posts end in "Go Team!"

****ing idiot fans. They might be worse than Broncos fans.

Ok. So it's not half.

Of the 921 posts, 296 have some form of "Go Ravens, Go Team, or Buckle Ya Chinstrap, or We Got This" or other such ****ing nonsense.

So I was wrong. Not half. :coffee:
 
The New England Patriots are 16-1 straight up (SU) and 12-5 against the spread (ATS) in their last 17 home games. Coming off of a bye week, the Patriots host the Baltimore Ravens this Saturday at 4:35pm ET in the Divisional Round of the NFL playoffs.
New England is a seven-point favorite on Saturday according to sportsbooks monitored by OddsShark.com. Baltimore could be a popular upset pick this weekend among NFL bettors with a 6-0 ATS and 5-1 SU record over their last six playoff games and a 3-0 ATS and 2-1 SU record in their last three playoff games against New England. However, the OddsShark Computer is picking this game as the one game that the favorite clearly covers in, projecting a 36.2 to 26.9 victory in New England's favor.

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/01/09/nf...-panthers?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co
 
It was mentioned yesterday on some NFL show that the Ravens led the NFL this year in drawing PI calls and that since Flacco has been the QB, they've led the NFL with 78 I believe they said.
Jordan Babineaux said on NFLAM just now that the Ravens practice those.
 
It was mentioned yesterday on some NFL show that the Ravens led the NFL this year in drawing PI calls and that since Flacco has been the QB, they've led the NFL with 78 I believe they said.
Jordan Babineaux said on NFLAM just now that the Ravens practice those.

How on earth could that be practiced? The only thing I've noticed is that Torrey can only do one thing - run fast - and usually gets yanked on.

Excited for another Pats-Ravens playoff. Is it a "rivalry" yet? I'm aware Pats hold the win-loss record against us.
 
I'd say it's definitely turning into a post-season rivalry. It's what, four games in the past five years? Baltimore leads New England with a 2-1 margin, which will either stand at 2-2 or 3-1 after tomorrow's contest.

It may not be the same type of rivalry as Ravens-Steelers or Patriots-Jets, as divisional opponents are true rivals all season long, but this starting to be almost an annual ritual in the post-season in the AFC.
 
I'd say it's definitely turning into a post-season rivalry. It's what, four games in the past five years? Baltimore leads New England with a 2-1 margin, which will either stand at 2-2 or 3-1 after tomorrow's contest.

It may not be the same type of rivalry as Ravens-Steelers or Patriots-Jets, as divisional opponents are true rivals all season long, but this starting to be almost an annual ritual in the post-season in the AFC.

We've been here and done this. The last 10+ years.

You're basically the replacement Colts.

Better than the Browns. I guess.
 
ESPN Insider take on how Vegas experts see this game. It's free even if you don't subscribe.

http://insider.espn.go.com/chalk/st...rday-baltimore-new-england-matchup-espn-chalk

:shrug: Doesn't seem to want to let me in.


Cheers

A familiar matchup kicks off the divisional round with the Baltimore Ravens traveling to Foxboro to take on the New England Patriots. This will be the fourth time since the 2009 season these teams have met in the playoffs, and all the meetings have been in New England. The Ravens have won two of the three outright, and covered in all three. The two teams have combined to represent the AFC in seven of the past 14 Super Bowls and have won five of them.

The Ravens finished the regular season 9-7 against the spread and had a 7-9 over/under record. They also covered last week in their upset win over the Pittsburgh Steelers. The Patriots finished 9-7 ATS and had a 9-7 O/U mark.
The line for this game has wavered between 7 and 7.5, identical to the two lines, respectively, of the 2012 and 2013 AFC Championship Games between these two teams.
According to ESPN Insider's PickCenter, 53 percent of the public is backing the Ravens at a line of New England minus-7. It isn't often that the public throws its support against the Patriots, especially as a favorite.
Let's get some analysis and picks on the game from three Vegas experts -- Dave Tuley, Wunderdog and Erin Rynning -- and prop bets picks from John Parolin of ESPN Stats & Information.
All odds courtesy of Westgate Las Vegas as of Thursday morning.
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<center> Matchup: Baltimore Ravens at New England Patriots


Spread: Opened New England -7.5; now New England -7 (EVEN)
Total: Opened 49; now 48

</center> Public perception: The public is slightly favoring Baltimore at plus-7 at ESPN Insider's PickCenter and other bet-tracking sites are showing the same trend. New England is only 3-10 ATS in its past 13 playoff games, so the public has been burned a lot in recent years. Still, the Patriots are getting enough support to keep this line from dipping below a touchdown (so far).
Wiseguys' view: The sharps quickly scooped up all the Ravens plus-7.5s and above that were available after the line opened last Saturday night. Wiseguys have been more split on this game at 7. However, the books will probably face a lot of early teaser liability on the Patriots if they win straight up.
Tuley's take: I was among those who grabbed the Ravens right away at plus-7.5. Baltimore, with a lot of the same core players, has gone into New England twice in the playoffs in recent years (2009-10 and its 2012-13 Super Bowl season) and pulled outright upsets. But even if you want to throw out those results and look at the current teams, the Ravens match up well. The Patriots are regarded as an offensive juggernaut, yet they're No. 11 in the league at 365.5 yards per game with the Ravens right behind them at No. 12 with 364.9 YPG. While the Ravens' defense isn't as strong as in the past, it still ended up No. 8 at 336.9 YPG compared to the Patriots at 344.1 YPG. And the Ravens have allowed only an average of 15.5 points in their past five games.
The pick: Ravens +7

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Wunderdog says: The Patriots probably didn't want to see the Ravens in the playoffs again, but here they are. New England had a seven-week surge this season in which it went 7-0 and scored just shy of 40 points per game. The Patriots are, however, just 5-4 in their other nine games. The problem for them is that the 7-0 streak ended a month and a half ago. The 5-4 team scored 21.2 points per game -- a night and day difference. In its past five games, New England has averaged just 22.2 PPG.
As predicted here, Baltimore upset Pittsburgh last week. Joe Flacco has now had a 100 or better passer rating in six straight playoff games, second only to Joe Montana with eight. A big issue for New England is Tom Brady and his 73.2 passer rating versus Baltimore, which seems to have his number. That rating falls to 66.2 in his past five at home against the Ravens. New England is only generating a net positive 21 yards per game this season, and Baltimore generates plus-22 yards per game, so there is no edge for either team at the line of scrimmage.
Over their past five games, the Ravens have allowed just 15.5 points per game, and it's those kind of defenses that win in January. New England's defense is also playing at a high level, but the point is that these teams are not 7 points apart right now. Playoff teams that average more than 28.3 PPG and are taking on a team off a road win on at least six days of rest are 0-13 ATS in a playoff game, and just 4-9 SU despite being a minus-8.8 favorite on average.
I think this line is several points off where it should be. Take the points on Baltimore.
ATS pick: Baltimore +7

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Erin Rynning says: Look for Brady and the Patriots' offense to play extremely quick off their bye week with a determined short passing game. This Ravens secondary is vulnerable, while dealing with numerous injuries to their cornerbacks this season, including key cog Jimmy Smith. The Ravens finished 24th in pass defense, but their schedule was hardly a list of above-average NFL quarterbacks. Meanwhile, Ravens head coach John Harbaugh and offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak didn't hide their thoughts after beating the Steelers last week. They used an aggressive approach on offense and they'll need a similar philosophy to outscore the Patriots on Saturday. It's hard to argue with how Flacco has elevated his game in the postseason, while currently boasting a 13-0 touchdown to interception ratio over his past five playoff games. The bet in this contest is over the total.
Pick: Over 48
 
How can you spend 5 minutes reading that rah-rah bullshit?

Half the posts end in "Go Team!"

****ing idiot fans. They might be worse than Broncos fans.
go pats!!!

How on earth could that be practiced? The only thing I've noticed is that Torrey can only do one thing - run fast - and usually gets yanked on.

Excited for another Pats-Ravens playoff. Is it a "rivalry" yet? I'm aware Pats hold the win-loss record against us.
Flacco thows up a rainbow. WR runs into db and collects yellow flag, db goes to jail, does not collect $200 for passing go.

We've been here and done this. The last 10+ years.

You're basically the replacement Colts.

Better than the Browns. I guess.
PSSST....... Ravens are the Browns

go pats!!!!
 
go pats!!!

Flacco thows up a rainbow. WR runs into db and collects yellow flag, db goes to jail, does not collect $200 for passing go.

PSSST....... Ravens are the Browns

go pats!!!!

I know.

For a bit.

Then the Browns became the Browns 2.0.

Now they are filling the role once held for a decade by Indy.

But we're still the constant.
 
We've been here and done this. The last 10+ years.

You're basically the replacement Colts.

Better than the Browns. I guess.

Agreed. You have had one of the best QBs of all time during that stretch. It may be the shift into a different generation with TB and PM coming to the end, so you may want to brace yourself for that.

No "I guess." Better than the Browns is definitely better.
 
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