Rodney Harrison fires away at Peyton Manning

[DarrylStingley]

Great job in this thread, Colts fans.

Any notion that I had that our Colts fans posters don't see their mission to defend Peyton at any cost and without regard to any notion of being intellectually honest, and to pretend that Peyton's foibles are shared by TFB, have been completely eviscerated.

Frankly, it's a little disappointing. Again, we can debate who the better QB is. Peyton has awesome numbers and has put them up over a longer period, for sure. I think Tom is better but I really do get why someone would say the opposite. And given what MD has said, I can even buy that he's a good guy. It's very hard to see from the outside, but I can buy it.

But between the throwing teammates under the bus, the terrible body language when things go wrong, the spats with linemen on the sideline and the recent comments -- NONE of which are common to Tom -- there is just no way that an intelligent, honest life form could reasonably argue that Peyton is a better leader than Tom, and seeing people who I respect, along with the dimwits like Mayhem, mouth these words is odd, it really is.

 

[PatsFan09]

Why would they have to support him or not? It's not a big deal to anyone but us fans and the media. So yes, I think the players and coaches would "support Peyton" if they have to, but they don't. I bet this hasn't even been brought up once in the Colts' complex in the last week.

So it's not a big deal... but Rodney Harrison and Tony Dungy spent a lot of time BEFORE their live interview discussing the issue.

It's not a big deal... but both of them did not support Peyton in this situation.

You = fail in this discussion.

 

[cka203]

Great job in this thread, Colts fans.

Any notion that I had that our Colts fans posters don't see their mission to defend Peyton at any cost and without regard to any notion of being intellectually honest, and to pretend that Peyton's foibles are shared by TFB, have been completely eviscerated.

Frankly, it's a little disappointing. Again, we can debate who the better QB is. Peyton has awesome numbers and has put them up over a longer period, for sure. I think Tom is better but I really do get why someone would say the opposite. And given what MD has said, I can even buy that he's a good guy. It's very hard to see from the outside, but I can buy it.

But between the throwing teammates under the bus, the terrible body language when things go wrong, the spats with linemen on the sideline and the recent comments -- NONE of which are common to Tom -- there is just no way that an intelligent, honest life form could reasonably argue that Peyton is a better leader than Tom, and seeing people who I respect, along with the dimwits like Mayhem, mouth these words is odd, it really is.

I hope you're not including me in this group, as I feel I am objective and honest in my opinions.

I've gone on record saying there are times I wish Peyton would STFU, and yes, I hate when he displays the "Manning face". I also have said that while I think he's a great QB, I have never inferred that he was "better" than Tom. In fact, I think both of them are the top 2 QBs in the league, and each excels in their respective environments.

Just sayin'... :shrug:

 

[midgar8784]

I hope you're not including me in this group, as I feel I am objective and honest in my opinions.

I've gone on record saying there are times I wish Peyton would STFU, and yes, I hate when he displays the "Manning face". I also have said that while I think he's a great QB, I have never inferred that he was "better" than Tom. In fact, I think both of them are the top 2 QBs in the league, and each excels in their respective environments.

Just sayin'... :shrug:

I dont think he was, there were a few colt fans that were off a bit on here. I dont care to debate who is better cause thats is opinon and nothing more. The only thing that upset me was trying to say brady did something that he didnt as a way to defend manning.

 

[DarrylStingley]

All I was saying, CKA, that anyone putting Manning in Brady's class regarding leadership is a blatant Colts homer who is incapable of rational thought.

We can debate who is the better QB all day long. I think it's Brady but well respect the opposite position.

Regarding leadership, it's just obvious.

 

[Annihilus]

In one thread, Annihilus agrees with both midgar and DarrylStingley (no offense to either of you fine gentlemen).



Time for rehab.

 

[midgar8784]

In one thread, Annihilus agrees with both midgar and DarrylStingley (no offense to either of you fine gentlemen).



Time for rehab.

No offense taken, thanks for the support.

 

[tommysgirl]

Brady >>>>>>>>>>> Manning.

Close the thread.

 

[raven]

Brady >>>>>>>>>>> Manning.

Close the thread.

I happen to agree with you, TG, but would be very interested in hearing your detailed reasons why.

 

[Annihilus]

No offense taken, thanks for the support.

No problem. Anyone that knows anything about motivating a team knows exactly what Brady was doing in that (admittedly clipped) video. He was motivating his team to do better, he wasn't calling them quitters. It's all about knowing what buttons you need to push to motivate the people around you....that's something that Brady excels at because he knows his teammates so well.

Unlike some other QB's in the league.

 

[midgar8784]

I happen to agree with you, TG, but would be very interested in hearing your detailed reasons why.

I will give you a simple reason why for me. If I need a game, hell if I need a drive in a big game and I can pick any Qb in the NFL, regardless of the talent on my offense, I am picking brady.

 

[midgar8784]

No problem. Anyone that knows anything about motivating a team knows exactly what Brady was doing in that (admittedly clipped) video. He was motivating his team to do better, he wasn't calling them quitters. It's all about knowing what buttons you need to push to motivate the people around you....that's something that Brady excels at because he knows his teammates so well.

Unlike some other QB's in the league.

What set it apart for me was , he said are "we" going to lay down or fight. He didnt say are you guys going to lay down or fight. Not to mention this was on the field in a game, he didnt go in front of a mic and say I didnt know if we wanted to lay down or fight. That is a in house thing, and it said when someone has to grab that clip and try to use it to say brady was calling his team quitters with a huge reach.

 

[raven]

I will give you a simple reason why for me. If I need a game, hell if I need a drive in a big game and I can pick any Qb in the NFL, regardless of the talent on my offense, I am picking brady.

 

[MAYHEM]

All I was saying, CKA, that anyone putting Manning in Brady's class regarding leadership is a blatant Colts homer who is incapable of rational thought.

We can debate who is the better QB all day long. I think it's Brady but well respect the opposite position.

Regarding leadership, it's just obvious.

Mannings record speaks for itself. A good QB is the leader on the field and I don't know how you could possibly take that away from him. He practices hard and has played every game since he was drafted. As the number 1 pick he was expected to turn the Colts around and thats exactly what he did. Can't say that Brady had the same expectations. All your other stuff is petty and fails to show how it hurt the team.

 

[DarrylStingley]

Mannings record speaks for itself. A good QB is the leader on the field and I don't know how you could possibly take that away from him. He practices hard and has played every game since he was drafted. As the number 1 pick he was expected to turn the Colts around and thats exactly what he did. Can't say that Brady had the same expectations. All your other stuff is petty and fails to show how it hurt the team.

It's not petty.

It's a pattern of stupid behavior on Manning's part and it reveals him, as Rodney said, to be a crappy leader.

He still throws a great ball.

But walking off the field like someone stole his lunch money, saying garbage like "I'm not trying to be a bad teammate BUT..." and this recent nonsense is indicative of what I'm saying.

Tom, conversely, has been nothing but positive as a leader.

You are incapable of seeing this because you are either not bright or just such a blatant homer that it will not penetrate or, most likely, both.

I am not intending to be a dick here. There is just no room for disagreement on this narrow point. On most everything else related to Brady and Manning, if not everything else, there is. But re leadership, there is just no comparison.

 

[midgar8784]

Mannings record speaks for itself. A good QB is the leader on the field and I don't know how you could possibly take that away from him. He practices hard and has played every game since he was drafted. As the number 1 pick he was expected to turn the Colts around and thats exactly what he did. Can't say that Brady had the same expectations. All your other stuff is petty and fails to show how it hurt the team.

yeah brady went to the Qb paradise of the 2000 5-11 patriots and then had to step in and do something when the starter went down, so he had it easy. See the difference is, manning had a name, his dads, before he ever walked out on a football field, he would be given infinite chances to succeed. Brady had one chance and little else to make it. If manning went 3-13...and he did, it was ok, it will work out, if brady came in and did bad, he was gone as soon as they could get bledsoe back, so lets not pretend manning had all this pressure and brady didnt. There is a difference between being a leader and being selfish.

 

[coltsfan999]

But between the throwing teammates under the bus, the terrible body language when things go wrong, the spats with linemen on the sideline and the recent comments -- NONE of which are common to Tom -- there is just no way that an intelligent, honest life form could reasonably argue that Peyton is a better leader than Tom, and seeing people who I respect, along with the dimwits like Mayhem, mouth these words is odd, it really is.

Noone has said he's a better leader. I never start a conversation comparing the two.

None of the stuff you mentioned has meant a hill of beans though. Body language after a bad play? Big whoop. He simply wears his emotions on his sleeve, he's human. I've seen Brady get pissed off on the sideline plenty of times. They just show their emotion differently.

Spats with linemen on sideline? Big whoop as well.

There is nothing that proves any of that has negatively affected the Colts, so that's why I think it's a bunch of crap. There is much more that proves he is a great leader. Like how he works with his teammates after practice, how he's always in the weight room, how he does stuff with them off the field, how he talks after the game (don't give me one thing he said in 10 years, which wasn't horrible anyway), etc.

 

[coltsfan999]

So it's not a big deal... but Rodney Harrison and Tony Dungy spent a lot of time BEFORE their live interview discussing the issue.

It's not a big deal... but both of them did not support Peyton in this situation.

You = fail in this discussion.

There is quite a bit of stuff that the media talks about that isn't a big deal.

 

[midgar8784]

Noone has said he's a better leader. I never start a conversation comparing the two.

None of the stuff you mentioned has meant a hill of beans though. Body language after a bad play? Big whoop. He simply wears his emotions on his sleeve, he's human. I've seen Brady get pissed off on the sideline plenty of times. They just show their emotion differently.

Spats with linemen on sideline? Big whoop as well.

There is nothing that proves any of that has negatively affected the Colts, so that's why I think it's a bunch of crap. There is much more that proves he is a great leader. Like how he works with his teammates after practice, how he's always in the weight room, how he does stuff with them off the field, how he talks after the game (don't give me one thing he said in 10 years, which wasn't horrible anyway), etc.

Throwing players and coaches under the bus is a pretty negative thing. As far negativly affecting the colts, I will give you an example, throwing 47 times in the 2003 afc title game when your pass was not working and the run game was, thats ego, thats selfish, thats a marino/manning type of thing.

 

[coltsfan999]

Throwing players and coaches under the bus is a pretty negative thing. As far negativly affecting the colts, I will give you an example, throwing 47 times in the 2003 afc title game when your pass was not working and the run game was, thats ego, thats selfish, thats a marino/manning type of thing.

He supposedly threw people under the bus according to some fans and media, yet it never affected anything. Protection problems refers to the whole operation as well, could be the QB calling the wrong protection, or an RB, etc. And it was a whopping one time in 10 years after a horrible defeat. And we've already discussed the coaching situation here, which isn't a big deal as I've explained.

As for the 2003 game, so now he's selfish bc he audibles too much to the pass?? Wow.