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NFL-Know said:
Originally Posted by chevss454
Troll much? All I have read from you is this pathetic drivel. You're not nearly as clever as you think you are. Pats fans have seen your kind many times before...small brained jealous haters who hide behind the anonymity of the internet. We know you like the back of our hands. We've learned how to handle you. And we simply don't care about you any more.

Oh, I see but it is okay for users to be threatening "back of our hands" , etc. like the above right? I will ALWAYS be in compliance to PP rules and regulations and I apologize if I stepped out of bounds. :thumb:
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FYI. Mr Annihilus is the good cop, but I am not. This is your first and only warning from me. Stop the nonsense or you will be getting a timeout.

I hope I have made myself clear. If not, you'll have a vacation to help figure things out.
 
NFL-Know said:
I totally agree that 14-2 best regular season record last year was fantastic. However, after beating the Jets on Dec 6, 2010 45-3, then loosing to them as the #6 playoff seed in the RAZOR still leads me to to believe that more SB appearances will ONLY come about with still needed coaching changes. Hey Lisa, I hope I am totally wrong, honestly. But since Charlie and Romeo left, and I won't even reiterate the Pats 2007 SB abortion in coaching, it just continues to vibe with me that Pats could AT LEAST use a new OC, that can make realtime situational adustments especially in play calling that work productively, along with some D significant pass rushing and some better secondary coverage coaching and play, would enable Pats to get their #4 SB. I so hope that TFB can at least get 4-5 SB blings before he retires as the best NFL QB EVER!! :thumb:
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Here's the thing for me. We have had a decade of incredible football the likes of which those of us that have been fans for decades could never dream of. I take it year by year and can't go back to '01-04. Those were amazing Superbowl wins. I can't expect to have that every year - it would be unrealistic. We've had dominant seasons since, i.e. 2007, 2010, and on any given Sunday we could win or we could lose. We lost. Do I blame coaching? Not really, though I wasn't a fan of O'Brien's in any way at all and called for his head a couple of years ago. He wasn't so bad last year. We could have crap ass coaches, but we don't. Anyone who Belichick has as a protege is going to learn good coaching and get better as time goes on.

As far as Romeo and Charlie, it doesn't get better than that. Our standards can't be met if we measure everyone else to them. We have to simply believe that the coaching is good. We know it's better than on most other teams. Am I broken up that we didn't achieve SB wins in '07 and '10? Well, of course. But they were great years, 2007 being magical. I'm just being realistic here. If I expected a SB win every year, I would be pretty pathetic. Do I hope for one? I'm always up for a parade.

So I think your attitude is kind of spoiled, NFL-K. As long as Belichick is here, I have high hopes. Do I have high expectations? Nope. I learned a long time ago that with expectation comes disappointment. I'm not setting myself up for that.

Bottom line - we have really good coaches. Or they wouldn't be here.
 
dchester said:
FYI. Mr Annihilus is the good cop, but I am not. This is your first and only warning from me. Stop the nonsense or you will be getting a timeout.

I hope I have made myself clear. If not, you'll have a vacation to help figure things out.
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Where the heck is this vacation to anyway? If it is to a tropical island, I can get downright vile up in this bish!
 
PatsFanLisa said:
Here's the thing for me. We have had a decade of incredible football the likes of which those of us that have been fans for decades could never dream of. I take it year by year and can't go back to '01-04. Those were amazing Superbowl wins. I can't expect to have that every year - it would be unrealistic. We've had dominant seasons since, i.e. 2007, 2010, and on any given Sunday we could win or we could lose. We lost. Do I blame coaching? Not really, though I wasn't a fan of O'Brien's in any way at all and called for his head a couple of years ago. He wasn't so bad last year. We could have crap ass coaches, but we don't. Anyone who Belichick has as a protege is going to learn good coaching and get better as time goes on.

As far as Romeo and Charlie, it doesn't get better than that. Our standards can't be met if we measure everyone else to them. We have to simply believe that the coaching is good. We know it's better than on most other teams. Am I broken up that we didn't achieve SB wins in '07 and '10? Well, of course. But they were great years, 2007 being magical. I'm just being realistic here. If I expeced a SB win every year, I would be pretty pathetic. Do I hope for one? I'm always up for a parade.

So I think your attitude is kind of spoiled, NFL-K. As long as Belichick is here, I have high hopes. Do I have high expectations? Nope. I learned a long time ago that with expectation comes disappointment. I'm not setting myself up for that.

Bottom line - we have really good coaches. Or they wouldn't be here.
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Both Romeo and Charlie were nurtured and developed for years on the Parcells tree before really ripening from 2001-2004. Neither of them began as nearly the coaches they matured into and there is little reason to expect a young replacement to start great either.

BTW, I'm not disagreeing with you, Lisa. It was just your post that inspired the thought.
 
Oswlek said:
Both Romeo and Charlie were nurtured and developed for years on the Parcells tree before really ripening from 2001-2004. Neither of them began as nearly the coaches they matured into and there is little reason to expect a young replacement to start great either.

BTW, I'm not disagreeing with you, Lisa. It was just your post that inspired the thought.
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This may be a silly question/statement ( one of many that I will have ) but....... Granted that Romeo and Charlie did an outstanding job while with the Pats, but what have they done out on their own ?? Seems to me that the new coaches are doing a great job in a short time. Could it really be "the system" ? Everyone knows ( except NFL-Know ) that Belichick is a football genius. Isn't this HIS system ? Just askin'
 
Don't know if this has been posted yet.

Here are the details of Logan Mankins' contract extension, according to a source:

The six-year, $51 million deal extends through 2016.

Signing bonus
$20 million

Base salaries
2011: $1.5 million
2012: $3 million
2013: $6 million
2014: $6.5 million
2015: $7 million
2016: $7 million

There are also workout bonuses of $250,000 for Mankins on a yearly basis, which if counted in the total value, ups it to $52.25 million.

When looking solely at those numbers, the deal makes Mankins the highest paid interior offensive lineman in the NFL, with about an $8.5 million per year average.

From this perspective, it looks like the Patriots gave Mankins credit for playing 2010 at a prorated $1.5 million salary and stepped up with a top-of-the-line offer that Mankins could have commanded on the open market. One of the benefits to the team in doing so is that Mankins' salary cap charge of $10.1 million also gets reduced to about half of that.

For Mankins, he doubled his money this year -- from $10.1 million to $21.5 million -- while earning more long-term security in the process.
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http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4699733/logan-mankins-contract-details

I guessed $52.5M so I was off by 250K. Good cap savings so everyone wins.
 
oldtimer said:
This may be a silly question/statement ( one of many that I will have ) but....... Granted that Romeo and Charlie did an outstanding job while with the Pats, but what have they done out on their own ?? Seems to me that the new coaches are doing a great job in a short time. Could it really be "the system" ? Everyone knows ( except NFL-Know ) that Belichick is a football genius. Isn't this HIS system ? Just askin'
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This is being "proven" more as time goes on and more and more former assistants of his fail at thir HC job. I guess it will just take time and perspective for some fans to recognize it. A team hums together and it it is also about EVERYONE in the org from the HC to management. Even during the Patriots supposed "rebuilding years" which any other organization would have called last year and possibly the last two in Mecca ,Mass, BB and his system have had our beloved team wicked competitive.
 
NFL-Know said:
I totally agree that 14-2 best regular season record last year was fantastic. However, after beating the Jets on Dec 6, 2010 45-3, then loosing to them as the #6 playoff seed in the RAZOR still leads me to to believe that more SB appearances will ONLY come about with still needed coaching changes.
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You act like a troll.

But...

The troll does have a point, somewhat.

Ever since the departure of the Two Fat Ladies (Weis and Crennel), we've seen some notable pants-shitting.

We can talk about the youth on the team and rebuilding all we want. Bottom line is:

2006: worst AFCCG lead-loss ever in loss to Colts.
2007: 18-0 and TGTSNBM.
2008: The Knee. First team to reach 11-5 and miss the playoffs.
2009: AFCE division win, but loss at home to beatable Ravens.
2010: AFCE division win w/league-best 14-2 record, but loss at home to average Jets.

That, my friends, is a whole lotta suck. And last year Belichick got clearly and badly outcoached by The Toe Lover.

(Sadly, his best coaching job in the past half-decade was probably the only year they DIDN'T make the playoffs. Getting that Brady-less '08 team to 11-5 under Cassel was masterful.)

Is it a coincidence that Belichick was at his best with Weis and Crennel? Probably not. Not necessarily because they're so awesome (witness their failures on their own), but they WERE knowledgeable, and probably gave Belichick some alternative ideas and at least might said, "Hey, Bill, that play call sucks" (and I don't know if the people around Bill do that now). Parcells was a great coach, but he also did his best work with Belichick.

If the Pats have another rip-roaring season, and crap their pants at home again in round one, I'll be forced to admit that maybe Belichick DOES need some help. At least it would allow him to delegate somewhat and focus his brainpower more where it's needed. Bill Gates is a great company head, but even he can't do all of his work as well as write the programs, answer the phones, and scrub the toilets.
 
tommysgirl said:
Where the heck is this vacation to anyway? If it is to a tropical island, I can get downright vile up in this bish!
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It doesn't work that way TG. For your vacation you'd be joining me on a remote island in SE Alaska where we would practice our survival skills dining on raw tidal pool delicacies, drinking surface water under the Sitka Spruce, and conserving body heat spooned together in our cozy survival shelter - bring on the vile baby! :dbanana:
 
JD10367 said:
2006: worst AFCCG lead-loss ever in loss to Colts.
2007: 18-0 and TGTSNBM.
2008: The Knee. First team to reach 11-5 and miss the playoffs.
2009: AFCE division win, but loss at home to beatable Ravens.
2010: AFCE division win w/league-best 14-2 record, but loss at home to average Jets.

That, my friends, is a whole lotta suck. And last year Belichick got clearly
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"Whole lotta suck" huh? 3/4s of the league would love to "suck" that bad. In those five seasons there are more wins than many teams have in the last decade.

Spoiled much?

SSDD
 
oldtimer said:
This may be a silly question/statement ( one of many that I will have ) but....... Granted that Romeo and Charlie did an outstanding job while with the Pats, but what have they done out on their own ?? Seems to me that the new coaches are doing a great job in a short time. Could it really be "the system" ? Everyone knows ( except NFL-Know ) that Belichick is a football genius. Isn't this HIS system ? Just askin'
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The teams Romeo and Charlie were coaching didn't have the ownership, patience or intelligence that Belichick is blessed with. Also, Caserio and Pioli played huge roles in scouting and bringing talent to NE. BB and Mr Kraft are two sides of the same coin, with both totally invested in the success of the franchise because they love the game. BB makes no secret about using and game planning to his players' strengths, and the results are historic. The 'system' in NE is this: stellar talent being allowed to do what they do best, and giving their best while doing it, from Mr Kraft to the guy pulling draft beer in concessions. A friend of mine worked security there for years, and she loved going to work at Gillette, even after her full-time job. If I lived closer, I'd love to be working there, too.

If you are a dedicated football player and share his love of football, being around BB's no BS policy and his football acumen has to be the highlight of a career. He impresses players he coaches in the Pro Bowl, for Pete's sake.
 
JD10367 said:
2010: AFCE division win w/league-best 14-2 record, but loss at home to average Jets.

That, my friends, is a whole lotta suck. And last year Belichick got clearly and badly outcoached by The Toe Lover.

(Sadly, his best coaching job in the past half-decade was probably the only year they DIDN'T make the playoffs. Getting that Brady-less '08 team to 11-5 under Cassel was masterful.)
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IMO, last year was one of BB's best coaching jobs. I didn't think the Pats were as good as their record was, and I suspect that BB wouldn't be making major changes, if he thought they were that good either.
 
dchester said:
IMO, last year was one of BB's best coaching jobs. I didn't think the Pats were as good as their record was, and I suspect that BB wouldn't be making major changes, if he thought they were that good either.
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Amen.
 
We are immensly spoiled. I remember too well watching the Patriots of the 70's. They had a couple of flashes and a lot blah. The 80's weren't much better. In the 90's things started to look up and now we are at or near the top year after year. It is great to be a Patriots fan and we need to appreciate what we have much more than we do.

So a question for you. Going by decades, which current team has the closest resemblance to the Patriots of the
70's:?
80's:?
90's:?

70's: For me, the 70's Patriots were kind of like today's Raiders. Yes that bad, especially in the upper management department. Trading Plunket. Lot's of loosing records. Fairbanks turned it around a little, but the team was barely treading water.


80's: There were times when the 80's teams were a lot of fun to watch. Grogan, Hannah, Fryar, Flutie for a short time, etc. helped make the team very competitive. We made the playoffs, won a few playoff games, and got destroyed in a superbowl. I think franchise resembled a team like the Arizona Cardinals back then. Unfortunately the end of the 80's ushered in the Victor Kiam dark ages.

90's: We had some good teams in the 90's, but we also had one scandal after another, from locker room sexual harassment, to franchise move rumors, to Parcel's quiting before the Superbowl (for all intents and purposes anyway). Our 90's franchise maybe matches up with a team like the current Tampa Bay team. Some good years, a lot of lean years, and lot of turmoil.

Bottom line, although we did make it to the superbowl a couple of times, we mostly sucked. Our front office was a mess, the franchise was barely solvent at times, and the players weren't always model citizens. We have come a long way since Mr. Kraft and BB paired up to steer this ship, and I am enjoying every minute of it.
 
dchester said:
IMO, last year was one of BB's best coaching jobs. I didn't think the Pats were as good as their record was, and I suspect that BB wouldn't be making major changes, if he thought they were that good either.
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I agree with the caveat that they was as talented as their record. But Bill did a remarkable job of hiding their inexperience for most of the year, even in close games.

Michael Holley did a nice job of outlining how that inexperience was finally exposed in the playoffs. On one of NY's TDs, Guyton was pointing to LadyT and declaring him his man. The Jets were bunched and by the time Gary had navigated the traffic LdT the play was done.

Roll back 7 years and Willie or Vrabes would have instinctively known the trouble Phifer might get into and jammed LdT on their way to the quarterback. This is why BB makes sure every person on the defense knows not just their responsibilities, but what the other guys' role is as well.

As for Charlie and RAC, I have the utmost respect for them, but I think fans read too much into NE's performance after they left. If those two were really that important, what happened in 2002?

I look at Rodney's injury in 2005, then Branch defecting in 2006 and the defense getting old in 2007. Those personnel issues had a whole lot more to do with the failures of the past half-decade than coaching, IMO.
 
Wow - Look at Mankins' deal!

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4699733/logan-mankins-contract-details

By Mike Reiss
FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- Here are the details of Logan Mankins' contract extension, according to a source:

The six-year, $51 million deal extends through 2016.

Signing bonus
$20 million

Base salaries
2011: $1.5 million
2012: $3 million
2013: $6 million
2014: $6.5 million
2015: $7 million
2016: $7 million

There are also workout bonuses of $250,000 for Mankins on a yearly basis, which if counted in the total value, ups it to $52.25 million.

When looking solely at those numbers, the deal makes Mankins the highest paid interior offensive lineman in the NFL, with about an $8.5 million per year average.

From this perspective, it looks like the Patriots gave Mankins credit for playing 2010 at a prorated $1.5 million salary and stepped up with a top-of-the-line offer that Mankins could have commanded on the open market. One of the benefits to the team in doing so is that Mankins' salary cap charge of $10.1 million also gets reduced to about half of that.

For Mankins, he doubled his money this year -- from $10.1 million to $21.5 million -- while earning more long-term security in the process.

A win-win for both sides.
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Wow- Just wow.


Cheers, BostonTim
 
BB has done a great job of having guys come in and pick up the slack when first stringers get injured. As has been said- his players know more than just their own job .
 
I'm glad that they have him signed long-term and it's one less thing to worry about in the coming years.
 
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