SUPER BOWL L: What's the Story?

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TheColtGuy said:
Carolina is a great team, but this isn't the mismatch some are portraying it as.

Superbowls can be very unpredictable. The last team to have a blowout on the scale of Carolina's NFCCG was the Bills in '90, and Belichick shut them down in that SB. Both defenses are great this year - but Denver's is better.
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Denver is best at getting blown out in the SB. It is what they do when they don't cheat the cap.

And Bill did not shut out the Bills. The Giants balled control by running and limiting the Bills to just 19 minutes of offensive possession and even then the Bills were in position to win with a FG. Denver will not run like that on Carolina. They don't have the Oline and their backs are a bunch of JAGs.

I do agree though you can never count out a team with the number one defense. I do think though Carolina offensively matches up well with their monster Oline, speedy receivers, solid RBs and of course Cam. They are a ton to handle.
 
Mazz22 said:
Denver is best at getting blown out in the SB. It is what they do when they don't cheat the cap.

And Bill did not shut out the Bills. The Giants balled control by running and limiting the Bills to just 19 minutes of offensive possession and even then the Bills were in position to win with a FG. Denver will not run like that on Carolina. They don't have the Oline and their backs are a bunch of JAGs.
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TOP was a HUGE part of that game, but isn't BB's defensive gameplan in the HOF? He was the 1st guy to really change rushing schemes and drop linemen back into coverage like that. Dared Buffalo to run & the Bills didn't take the bait.

He stopped them on quite a few drives in that game, despite the TOP.

But the point was more that the Bills looked unstoppable after the AFCCG, much like the Panthers do now. I think the Panthers will win - but SB's are very unpredictable.
 
TheColtGuy said:
TOP was a HUGE part of that game, but isn't BB's defensive gameplan in the HOF? He was the 1st guy to really change rushing schemes and drop linemen back into coverage like that. Dared Buffalo to run & the Bills didn't take the bait.

He stopped them on quite a few drives in that game, despite the TOP.

But the point was more that the Bills looked unstoppable after the AFCCG, much like the Panthers do now. I think the Panthers will win - but SB's are very unpredictable.
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AFC was crap that year (and most of the years around that time). NFC was light years better. is that the case this year? if Panthers win big it'll seem that way.
 
TheColtGuy said:
TOP was a HUGE part of that game, but isn't BB's defensive gameplan in the HOF? He was the 1st guy to really change rushing schemes and drop linemen back into coverage like that. Dared Buffalo to run & the Bills didn't take the bait.

He stopped them on quite a few drives in that game, despite the TOP.

But the point was more that the Bills looked unstoppable after the AFCCG, much like the Panthers do now. I think the Panthers will win - but SB's are very unpredictable.
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Bill's game plan vs the Rams in the SB is in the Hall I believe. I don't know about that 1990 game. It could be.

I agree overall. It is the SB so both teams have a chance. No one thought the Pats of '01 could stop that Rams team either. I think with Denver what makes it hard to pick them is Manning. He just can't sling it anymore. If he was playing better, I think Denver could win but I don't see how they score with the Panthers. But it is possible that the Denver D rises up and limits the Panthers but they ran rough shod over the defending conference champ Hawks and then the second best team in the league in Arizona. I think they are red hot and won't be stopped. But a close game would not surprise me at all.
 
In the media it's going to be all Manning all the time. I hope by the time the game rolls are around the Pathers are feeling very disrested and very pissed. :D
 
Patriots4ever said:
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This guy sure seems to think this game is going to be a "stinker."
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Good lord that writer looks like a kid. How old is he? Anyway, he's absolutely correct. Manning's arm is much weaker than it once was. No question. The one thing that always made Manning a tough QB to beat was/is his ability to read a defense. I do understand that he has struggled in the past during some games, especially post season. That said, it would be silly for anyone to completely overlook him. He still has the ability to see a defense and work with it. I'm not gonna sit here and say the Broncos will win, but I will say it's gonna be a great game. And if Carolina isn't ready, Manning could pick them apart.
 
I really haven't given the SB very much thought yet. Maybe the week leading up to the game I can provide more insight. My initial thoughts are mostly slanted in Carolina's favor

1. Neutral site
2. I don't think Denver will be able to run against the Panthers D. That will make Manning 1-dimensional
3. Carolina's LBs are awesome
4. Cam Newton is hard to defend. Keep saying they don't have WR. I don't buy it. Their WR are more than sufficient, they make catches and make 1st downs. You don't need to chuck the ball 50 yards down field, you need possession WR that move the chains. They have that

I don't know what their special teams looks like, I haven't watched them enough but they're 15-1 for a reason and just ripped through 2 high quality teams in consecutive weeks. They look like a juggernaut

I understand Denver has a good D, but they're not going to be able to pin their ears back in 2 weeks like they did in Denver against a weak and under manned Patriots OL. Carolina poses so many match up problems and have way more balance than any team I have seen in quite some time. The mere fact that Newton can elude the rush and take off for a big gain is enough to create headaches

As was stated, SBs are unpredictable. Denver has a championship caliber defense, but it's going to be tested, and Carolina's defense is no slouch. The few times I have seen Carolina this year, they got out to huge leads. If they do that in the SB, that could be deadly
 
Mazz22 said:
Bill's game plan vs the Rams in the SB is in the Hall I believe. I don't know about that 1990 game. It could be.
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I visited the HOF in 06. It is the gameplan from the NYG-Buff SB. I even had a few pictures of it in its case but my camera somehow deleted all the photos I had from that day. I am so pissed.

SBs are definitely weird, like TCG said. Non familiarity with opponent or even opponent's opponents can definitely play into it as well. "Any given Sunday" has been 100% since FA/cap era.

You can usually count on top flight offenses struggling in SBs though, which is one reason why I wouldn't count out Denver at all. Only one team in the last 15 years has had the #1 scoring offense in the regular season and won the SB that year and that team is the 09 Saints.
 
gerschwedes said:
no I dont. I remind you that I told you three weeks ago and it came to pass

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I believe you also said KC was going to blow the Pats out...and that was after you picked Houston to beat KC. I believe you picked Green Bay over AZ. I'm thinking you also picked Minnesota over the Bitch Pigeons.
 
O.Z.O. said:
I believe you also said KC was going to blow the Pats out...and that was after you picked Houston to beat KC. I believe you picked Green Bay over AZ. I'm thinking you also picked Minnesota over the Bitch Pigeons.
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His crystal (8) ball is crack (ed)...:coffee:
 
yackittysacks said:
Good lord that writer looks like a kid. How old is he? Anyway, he's absolutely correct. Manning's arm is much weaker than it once was. No question. The one thing that always made Manning a tough QB to beat was/is his ability to read a defense. I do understand that he has struggled in the past during some games, especially post season. That said, it would be silly for anyone to completely overlook him. He still has the ability to see a defense and work with it. I'm not gonna sit here and say the Broncos will win, but I will say it's gonna be a great game. And if Carolina isn't ready, Manning could pick them apart.
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If Manning isn't protected well from that interior line then he's going to have trouble picking on that backfield, which based on the fact that Robert McClain is getting a ton of snaps for it means that it isn't all that great. We cut McClain earlier this season and nobody regretted seeing him go.

The thing that has most impressed me about Carolina's D, aside from the superb LBs, is that they are getting some great play from their interior D line. Star Lotulelei and Kawann Short are just shredding the pocket. Short, in particular appears to be a beast in the making and they are just as good rushing as they are destroying any inside runs.

Two, young, huge, athletic guys just figuring stuff out and whatever gets by them gets blasted by Davis and Keuchly.

I'm almost glad we lost to you guys. Almost.
 
Beaglebay said:
Panthers are having fun and playing loose. Broncos are afraid to assist in making Peyton look like sh*t.


I'll take Rivera over Kubiak.
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all fantasy on your part

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O.Z.O. said:
I believe you also said KC was going to blow the Pats out...and that was after you picked Houston to beat KC. I believe you picked Green Bay over AZ. I'm thinking you also picked Minnesota over the Bitch Pigeons.
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thats right, but the fact is I told you the Pats werent making it and thats exactly what happened. I was just a game ahead.

I am 6-4 in playoff picks and I will right when Denver wins also.
 
Denver also had the #1 defense in the entire NFL when they played Seattle in SB48 and look what happened. It was the most embarrassing SB since Oakland/Tampa Bay (yet even moreso).

I'd like to see a total and absolute blowout by Carolina.
 
MontanaBrady said:
Denver also had the #1 defense in the entire NFL when they played Seattle in SB48 and look what happened. It was the most embarrassing SB since Oakland/Tampa Bay (yet even moreso).

I'd like to see a total and absolute blowout by Carolina.
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Seattle had the number one defense. Denver had the number one offense. In general, defense comes out on top but Carolina's defense is no slouch either. I would love for this game to be a blow out but Denver's D has been great all season. They will limit the Panthers better than Seattle or Arizona could but I don't think it will be enough to win.
 
Everyone is talking that this Super Bowl is going to be about the Carolina offence and Cam Newton and the Denver defence. But the big factor really is the Carolina defence, that's the differentiator here and that's really gonna make the difference because Carolina are much more of a rounded football team. They will restrict the Broncos to well under 20 points.
 
gerschwedes said:
all fantasy on your part

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thats right, but the fact is I told you the Pats werent making it and thats exactly what happened. I was just a game ahead.

I am 6-4 in playoff picks and I will right when Denver wins also.
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No, my fantasy is for you to Super Glue all your fingers together :coffee:
 
Mazz22 said:
Seattle had the number one defense. Denver had the number one offense. In general, defense comes out on top but Carolina's defense is no slouch either. I would love for this game to be a blow out but Denver's D has been great all season. They will limit the Panthers better than Seattle or Arizona could but I don't think it will be enough to win.
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Arizona's and Seattle's defenses are both very good...and Carolina lit them both up...I think it was a wake up call when they let Seattle back in it. Arizona really didn't even have a chance.

I really don't see Denver having a chance at all.

And the Pats would have most likely got blown out as well.
 
Lets say the Panthers spank the Donks, what are the chances they'll be this strong again next year?

Still wouldn't mind a Patriots/Panthers rematch in the SB. SB51 sounds like as good a place as any.
 
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