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Starlight Lounge said:
So, if we're upset that we didn't get trade Gilmore at his highest market value, since BB could have predicted him having a bad year and getting injured, shouldn't we be just as upset that he didn't trade Brady before he hit free agency. Like say, maybe in 2019, around the time he sank the whole season crying about being the most miserable 8-0 QB in history? BB should have gone straight to Kraft and told him he was done with Brady, time to trade the malcontent.
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Starlight Lounge said:
So, if we're upset that we didn't get trade Gilmore at his highest market value, since BB could have predicted him having a bad year and getting injured, shouldn't we be just as upset that he didn't trade Brady before he hit free agency. Like say, maybe in 2019, around the time he sank the whole season crying about being the most miserable 8-0 QB in history? BB should have gone straight to Kraft and told him he was done with Brady, time to trade the malcontent.
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Starlight Lounge said:
So, if we're upset that we didn't get trade Gilmore at his highest market value, since BB could have predicted him having a bad year and getting injured, shouldn't we be just as upset that he didn't trade Brady before he hit free agency. Like say, maybe in 2019, around the time he sank the whole season crying about being the most miserable 8-0 QB in history? BB should have gone straight to Kraft and told him he was done with Brady, time to trade the malcontent.
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great 1st post!
 
Big/Sky/Fly said:
At first, I was shocked that BB was going to release/and ultimately trade Gilmore. But, after reading what Chevs posted on...about Gilmore's lackluster performance last year, it does make sense.

It's possible that Gilmore plays well again like he did a few years ago, but, it's also possible that Gilmore isn't very good anymore.

I forgot how bad that he was last year.
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How quickly we all forget about Revis's fast decline toward the end of his career. BB didn't forget. There are many similarities to Gilmore's decline when you study Revis.

Don't forget how BB got Revis. In 2014 the Bucs were ready to move on from 29 year old Revis and his $16M salary. They tried hard to trade him in that off season but had no bites. Not one. They released him and got nothing for him after spending 1st and 3rd round picks for him a year earlier! BB signed him for $12M and the Pats went on to win the SB over Seattle in 2015 but it wasn't bc of now 30 year old Revis. His decline had already begun during that year and we all saw it happen. He was no longer a shutdown CB at age 30. Revis almost cost us the Ravens game with 2 DPI penalties bc he couldn't keep up with Steve Smith, Sr. His days were numbered and we all saw it first hand.

We all laughed when Woody Johnson signed him to a 5 yr $70M contract with $40M guaranteed. He had 1 good year, 2015, for the JETE but fell apart after that. The JETE released him in 2016. He was picked up by the Chiefs but released again after playing only 6 games for them. It wasn't pretty.

There's 1 stat you can look at that spells trouble for CBs as they're near the end - QB Passer Rating against.
Within 1 year Revis went from a career 60 to 109 in 2016. Age 31
Within 1 year Gilmore went from a 47 to 96.7 in 2020. Age 31

That's it in a nutshell. Every NFL front office saw Gilmore's decline in 2020 and then his injury compounded the issue.

Undertaker #59* said:
The Patriots were still trying to sign him to an extension. They didn't want to trade him. Back then or now. Gilmore rejected their offer.

They could have received more earlier probably. But they wanted to keep him. He refused.
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Yes they did, absolutely, but Gilmore's salary expectations exceeded his actual worth. BB doesn't do those things.

Big/Sky/Fly said:
20/20 vision in the rear view...
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Trading Gilmore after his brilliant 2019 DPOY campaign wasn't on anyone's agenda. Saying it was is revisionist lunacy.

Starlight Lounge said:
So, if we're upset that we didn't get trade Gilmore at his highest market value, since BB could have predicted him having a bad year and getting injured, shouldn't we be just as upset that he didn't trade Brady before he hit free agency. Like say, maybe in 2019, around the time he sank the whole season crying about being the most miserable 8-0 QB in history? BB should have gone straight to Kraft and told him he was done with Brady, time to trade the malcontent.
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There were so many factors to consider - the thought of trading TB12 in that off season makes my head swirl.
My first thought is that BB tried to re-sign him for 2 years a year earlier so why would he trade TB12 then?
At the same time BB didn't want to commit to a long term extension in 2019 for him even though that's what TB12 wanted.
The compromise was a 1 year contract for 2019 along with a no franchise tag which TB12 wanted. He wanted to be a FA.
Sometimes in negotiations the interests of the opposing sides don't mesh and that's what happened here. It's no one's fault. It was both of them being at odds.
 
chevss454 said:
Trading Gilmore after his brilliant 2019 DPOY campaign wasn't on anyone's agenda. Saying it was is revisionist lunacy.
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Bill was shopping him last October. He wanted a 1st and a player back. He should have taken what he could get then instead of holding on to him. That was the mistake. If Gilly was declining as much as you say in 2020 then why was Bill still asking for a #1? And even more egregious, he kept him AND did not pay him and only got the 6 back in 2023.


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Mazz22 said:
Bill was shopping him last October. He wanted a 1st and a player back. He should have taken what he could get then instead of holding on to him. That was the mistake. If Gilly was declining as much as you say in 2020 then why was Bill still asking for a #1? And even more egregious, he kept him AND did not pay him and only got the 6 back in 2023.


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In other words we are willing to trade him with high demands, so if some team bites Pats make a hefty haul. Otherwise he stays. Also key words here are "GMs called the Patriots..."
Just because a GM will call to inquire about a player doesn't mean they're shopping him around.

But don't let that stop you from harping about BB's lack of being able to predict the future.

Edit: you completely changed your tune. That didn't go unnoticed. You initially were arguing that it was a mistake that Gilmore wasn't extended with his crazy high demands. Now you're saying he should have been traded to the highest bidder. Are you Jekyll and Hyde?
 
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Mazz22 said:
Bill was shopping him last October. He wanted a 1st and a player back. He should have taken what he could get then instead of holding on to him. That was the mistake. If Gilly was declining as much as you say in 2020 then why was Bill still asking for a #1? And even more egregious, he kept him AND did not pay him and only got the 6 back in 2023.


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Where in that tweet did it say that the Patriots were shopping him?


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For those watching NBC sports Boston pre-game, Curran has a piece upcoming entitled "Kiss My Ass-et" for those criticizing the Gilmore trade. Should be interesting.
 
SkiptoMyLou said:
In other words we are willing to trade him with high demands, so if some team bites Pats make a hefty haul. Otherwise he stays. Also key words here are "GMs called the Patriots..."
Just because a GM will call to inquire about a player doesn't mean they're shopping him around.

But don't let that stop you from harping about BB's lack of being able to predict the future.

Edit: you completely changed your tune. That didn't go unnoticed. You initially were arguing that it was a mistake that Gilmore wasn't extended with his crazy high demands. Now you're saying he should have been traded to the highest bidder. Are you Jekyll and Hyde?
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One or the other - either you extend him or trade him when his value was high. Bill did neither that is why he being criticized so severely.
 
SkiptoMyLou said:
So moving goal posts yet again. Got it. Thanks for clearing it up, Mazz.
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Been saying the same thing all week. Complete mismanagement of a key asset by Bill.
 
chevss454 said:
From Ian Rapaport on Gresh and Keefe
“To me, I was surprised that more teams didn’t jump in and try and trade for him," he said. "I am surprised it had to be the thing where you make clear that you’re moving on from him and then someone tries to trade for him before 4 p.m. I thought they would have had a better trade market. That was surprising.”

"One reason why? Teams didn't like what they saw, even before the quad injury. I talked to some of the teams who were evaluating [Wednesday] and they did not like his tape last year," Rapoport said.


Per PFF, in 2020 Gilmore allowed a 96.7 passer rating to opposing QBs, defensed only 2 passes, allowed an avg of 13.1yds on 27 receptions and missed 8 tackles.
His shutdown corner days went missing. He was PFF's 108th ranked cover corner last year.
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Some of us have been mentioning this, as a potential reason why Gilmore didn't just get everything he asked for.
 
PatsFan09 said:
Where in that tweet did it say that the Patriots were shopping him?


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If you put a price tag on a player that's exactly what you're doing, just in a way that you don't sound desperate. It was no secret that he could be had at a price, their price.
 
Phil Elliott said:
For those watching NBC sports Boston pre-game, Curran has a piece upcoming entitled "Kiss My Ass-et" for those criticizing the Gilmore trade. Should be interesting.
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What a shock.

Hairplugs Troll Curran, who is one of the all time embarrassing Brady Fanboys, is using his platform to push disinformation by leaving out a timeline, context and facts. Super.
 
SkiptoMyLou said:
In other words we are willing to trade him with high demands, so if some team bites Pats make a hefty haul. Otherwise he stays. Also key words here are "GMs called the Patriots..."
Just because a GM will call to inquire about a player doesn't mean they're shopping him around.

But don't let that stop you from harping about BB's lack of being able to predict the future.

Edit: you completely changed your tune. That didn't go unnoticed. You initially were arguing that it was a mistake that Gilmore wasn't extended with his crazy high demands. Now you're saying he should have been traded to the highest bidder. Are you Jekyll and Hyde?
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Liars, phonies and people who do that a lot, sometimes forget how many lies they've said, so they get caught. It's easy to catch them. It's also easy to see this as a form of trolling.
 
Peter King summed it up in FMIA today.

9. I think I want to feel some outrage for those angry that Stephon Gilmore, the Defensive Player of the Year just two years ago, was jettisoned by the Patriots for just a sixth-round pick in 2023. But I can’t. He’s 31, coming off quad surgery, plays a position that mandates quickness and speed and will want a big contract after this year. The cap is very much in flux, trending downward. Carolina was $19 million under the cap now, the Patriots were snug up against it. If Gilmore wasn’t going to take a team-friendly deal, it made no sense for New England to re-do a bunch of contracts to make Gilmore fit. As for the sixth-round pick, the compensation stunk because only five teams have significant cap space this year ($12 million or more) and who wants to hand a corner who will be 32 in 2022 a new contract, which Gilmore clearly will want?
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