Alabama is no Rutgers but it'll do as a Pats feeder school. 
Mac Jones Is Our QB1
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You mean how Rutgers use to be?Alabama is no Rutgers but it'll do as a Pats feeder school.
It's all good, you do you and we will do us.
Naturally I will disagree but it's all good.
So long that our teams are doing well and progressive, life is good.
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My dad had season tickets since before I can remember. I've got pictures of my older brother, 7 yr old me and Dad at a game in Tuscaloosa when Bart Starr was the QB. 1955.
The first QB I remember watching was Pat Trammell and Joe Namath followed him. There was no Auburn in me during that time but 6 years later...
Now I root for both teams and for Auburn when they play each other unless Bama is competing for a National Championship and in that case I pull for Bama to pull out a squeaker.
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I got real nervous when the Bears traded up. There were easily 5 teams beyond the Jets and SF who could have easily justified taking him, including Miami.
Miami
Denver
Chicago
Washington
Falcons (with Matt Ryan not getting any younger and them rebuilding)
Part of BB's brilliance is watching other teams be morons and just sit and wait. I'd never play poker at BB's table.
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Labama?It's funny, there is clearly a fanbase out there of both the Tide and Patriots....Merch producers don't put this stuff out if there's no demand.
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Not calling a time out in the Seattle Super Bowl. That's the ice in the veins, never show your hand moment that will go down in legend and become myth.
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Amen to that!!!
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Good piece here on how Mac is able to make adjustments. Very impressive for a rookie.
View: https://twitter.com/nflmatchup/status/1454138460596424704?s=21
View: https://twitter.com/nflmatchup/status/1454138460596424704?s=21
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Love LOVE NFL Matchup. Best football program on TV for learning football.
I mentioned post snap reads being very important for Mac against the Chargers in the Chargers gamete thread because they disguise coverages very well.
With permission, I'm going to post this over there. Thanks, Roberto
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I remember it as appointment television back when it was Edge NFL Matchup, with whatsisname, Jaworski, as the host. I honestly didn't know it was still on TV!
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Wow! This is the same stuff I heard about a week before the draft from Kurt Warner and others. I can't believe how fortunate we are to have Jones to follow Brady. This is the best 1-2 QB punch ever, way better even than Montana Young. Yes it's early for Jones, but that's the point. He's doing this as a rookie. Steve Young did start as a rookie, Brady didn't. Montana played one game as a rook (and lost it). Manning started all 16 games, but Jones has already equaled Manning's 3 wins on his rookie season.
There's a LOT of Jones hype and ball washing going on, but it's all deserved IMO. Yeah, some still whine about arm strength, but that's what haters and morons said about Brady, even after three superbowl wins. Arm strength does not trump accuracy and football smarts, otherwise Rohan Davey would have taken Brady's job in 2002.
The sun shines brightly on our future IMO.
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sCam had his 15 minutes of shame along the way...
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Why is Brady keep being brought up in a Mac jones thread. He has entire sub forum . Other threads you can post about him.
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Still looking for a job halfway through the season. It's almost like Belichick knew his shoulder was washed.
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It was washed when Bill signed him last year.Still looking for a job halfway through the season. It's almost like Belichick knew his shoulder was washed.
Which is why he got him for cheap.
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What's your evaluation of Mac Jones so far?
Well, I would say I would answer it this way. I don't think there's a lot of mystery to what Mac Jones was coming out of college, and I don't think there's a lot of mystery to what he's doing now. I think that he's a timing/rhythm player. I think he's decisive. I think he knows what he's looking at. The ball comes out. He does not have a big arm. He can't really drive the football. But he can navigate within the pocket to some degree because he's not really a stride thrower, he can throw without really striding into it so he can throw when there's not a lot of space. I think that you have to, in some ways, set him up for throws, but I will say this. One thing that I think he has done well, and there are examples of this through these seven games, I think that he's done a very good job of being able to recognize things post-snap, when there has been some disguise and late movement, and I think it started Week 1, I think does see that quickly. I think he has an innate feel for seeing things and therefore he is able to throw the ball to the right receiver at the right time with the necessary kind of throw. So I think we all, watching his tape at Alabama, felt like he could do this. What he is, is he's an executor and a ball distributor. And there's nothing wrong with that because every quarterback is a system quarterback that has become a negative pejorative term, but that's the way the position is taught. And he's an efficient executer and a ball distributor.
Before the draft, we talked a lot about secondary reactions and throwing off-platform and how some schemes, maybe most, view that as essential to being an NFL QB now. The Patriots obviously don't. But if you're going to be a pocket guy, you do have to make special throws to be elite ... can he develop that to become elite, or is he just going to be a good, solid starting QB?
Let's start with the idea of having to be a secondary-action, improvisational player because people flippantly now throw that out as if you cannot play quarterback in the NFL if you can't run around. And I think that that's too easy to say. You have to look at the process of playing the position. You know, it's very easy to look at Tom Brady and push him aside and say oh, he's just the greatest of all time. But what's the process that got to that? How come Tom Brady, at whatever age he is 44/45 ... how can he still do what he's doing without any meaningful second-reaction improvisational ability? So there's a process that gets you to that point. That's what has to be discussed.
And where that process starts is a full understanding of your offense, and a complete understanding of defenses generally, and the specific defenses that you're going to play against because the Bradys, the Breeses, and I know I'm speaking about Hall of Famers, but it's the process. Those guys win 99% of the time before the ball is snapped. They know where they're going with the ball. They're not surprised that they're not getting a free rusher that all of a sudden, Wow, where did he come from? You know? So, I think Mac Jones ultimately is that kind of quarterback. Is he a non-athlete? No. Is he going to make a career out of running around? No. You know, we saw this past week against the Jets where he made a few plays where he left the pocket. Can he do that on occasion? Sure. Is he going to make special plays doing that? Not likely. So he has to learn all the nuances and the subtleties and the disciplines of the position so that the ball can come out of his hand. I think he can do that.
But now getting to your second point about making "special" throws. I think that's an unknown. I think we know he can make all the layups, he can make those throws and he knows where to go with the football and he's decisive. He doesn't get stuck in the pocket where you feel like okay, what's he going to do now? The question is, can he drive the football?
Tom Brady's arm, in my view, clearly got stronger as his career progressed. And in fact, I would even argue that Tom Brady right now is throwing the ball better than he ever has. Which is remarkable. I would say Drew Brees got a little stronger too after his surgery. You know, there was a stretch there were Brees through the ball pretty well. He would throw those seam balls in New Orleans really, really well. So can Mac Jones' arm get stronger? It doesn't have to be a gun.
And then I think the factor that a lot of people don't think about is your coach and the team and what the whole system is. I guess we don't know what the situation in New England will be five years from now, seven years from now, but I think obviously Bill Belichick and Josh McDaniels have a great, great feel for this kind of quarterback because Brady was essentially that kind of quarterback certainly early in his career as he evolved and they have a great feel for presenting defined reads and throws for the quarterback within the structure of the pass game. So that fits exactly what Mac Jones is, and they knew that when they drafted him. This is not a surprise to them. The way in which he's playing — I'm not talking about the production — is not a surprise to the Patriots.
Some people think he's never going to be special enough physically, but I think they're missing the special qualities that he's already showing seven games into his career.
It's funny you say that and I'll do a little self-promotion now because I did a piece on Mac Jones for the matchup show this week. So I hope people will watch it or do whatever they do, you know, and I showed a play from week one because I thought it was very reflective of what he is and you're you may remember the play.
Jones saw the whole thing and he threw it over the top of (Xavien) Howard to Nelson Agholor and Agholor, to me ... I don't think Agholor was truly part of the progression because I think it was meant to work inside. And Jones saw everything at the right speed. He never was outside the structure of his drop and the timing of the routes and he threw it over Howard kind of the trap corner to Agholor and you saw that week one. That's what Mac Jones is. To me, that's special. That's special for a rookie quarterback in Week 1. People tend to think of special as you know, when a guy runs around, that's when they think is special. I've been very fortunate from people I've learned the quarterback position from that special to me, is the nuance, the detail, the discipline craft element of the position. That's special. And I think Mack Jones is far more like that and can be even better as he just continues to grow and learn."
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What's your evaluation of Mac Jones so far?
Well, I would say I would answer it this way. I don't think there's a lot of mystery to what Mac Jones was coming out of college, and I don't think there's a lot of mystery to what he's doing now. I think that he's a timing/rhythm player. I think he's decisive. I think he knows what he's looking at. The ball comes out. He does not have a big arm. He can't really drive the football. But he can navigate within the pocket to some degree because he's not really a stride thrower, he can throw without really striding into it so he can throw when there's not a lot of space. I think that you have to, in some ways, set him up for throws, but I will say this. One thing that I think he has done well, and there are examples of this through these seven games, I think that he's done a very good job of being able to recognize things post-snap, when there has been some disguise and late movement, and I think it started Week 1, I think does see that quickly. I think he has an innate feel for seeing things and therefore he is able to throw the ball to the right receiver at the right time with the necessary kind of throw. So I think we all, watching his tape at Alabama, felt like he could do this. What he is, is he's an executor and a ball distributor. And there's nothing wrong with that because every quarterback is a system quarterback that has become a negative pejorative term, but that's the way the position is taught. And he's an efficient executer and a ball distributor.
Before the draft, we talked a lot about secondary reactions and throwing off-platform and how some schemes, maybe most, view that as essential to being an NFL QB now. The Patriots obviously don't. But if you're going to be a pocket guy, you do have to make special throws to be elite ... can he develop that to become elite, or is he just going to be a good, solid starting QB?
Let's start with the idea of having to be a secondary-action, improvisational player because people flippantly now throw that out as if you cannot play quarterback in the NFL if you can't run around. And I think that that's too easy to say. You have to look at the process of playing the position. You know, it's very easy to look at Tom Brady and push him aside and say oh, he's just the greatest of all time. But what's the process that got to that? How come Tom Brady, at whatever age he is 44/45 ... how can he still do what he's doing without any meaningful second-reaction improvisational ability? So there's a process that gets you to that point. That's what has to be discussed.
And where that process starts is a full understanding of your offense, and a complete understanding of defenses generally, and the specific defenses that you're going to play against because the Bradys, the Breeses, and I know I'm speaking about Hall of Famers, but it's the process. Those guys win 99% of the time before the ball is snapped. They know where they're going with the ball. They're not surprised that they're not getting a free rusher that all of a sudden, Wow, where did he come from? You know? So, I think Mac Jones ultimately is that kind of quarterback. Is he a non-athlete? No. Is he going to make a career out of running around? No. You know, we saw this past week against the Jets where he made a few plays where he left the pocket. Can he do that on occasion? Sure. Is he going to make special plays doing that? Not likely. So he has to learn all the nuances and the subtleties and the disciplines of the position so that the ball can come out of his hand. I think he can do that.
But now getting to your second point about making "special" throws. I think that's an unknown. I think we know he can make all the layups, he can make those throws and he knows where to go with the football and he's decisive. He doesn't get stuck in the pocket where you feel like okay, what's he going to do now? The question is, can he drive the football?
Tom Brady's arm, in my view, clearly got stronger as his career progressed. And in fact, I would even argue that Tom Brady right now is throwing the ball better than he ever has. Which is remarkable. I would say Drew Brees got a little stronger too after his surgery. You know, there was a stretch there were Brees through the ball pretty well. He would throw those seam balls in New Orleans really, really well. So can Mac Jones' arm get stronger? It doesn't have to be a gun.
And then I think the factor that a lot of people don't think about is your coach and the team and what the whole system is. I guess we don't know what the situation in New England will be five years from now, seven years from now, but I think obviously Bill Belichick and Josh McDaniels have a great, great feel for this kind of quarterback because Brady was essentially that kind of quarterback certainly early in his career as he evolved and they have a great feel for presenting defined reads and throws for the quarterback within the structure of the pass game. So that fits exactly what Mac Jones is, and they knew that when they drafted him. This is not a surprise to them. The way in which he's playing — I'm not talking about the production — is not a surprise to the Patriots.
Some people think he's never going to be special enough physically, but I think they're missing the special qualities that he's already showing seven games into his career.
It's funny you say that and I'll do a little self-promotion now because I did a piece on Mac Jones for the matchup show this week. So I hope people will watch it or do whatever they do, you know, and I showed a play from week one because I thought it was very reflective of what he is and you're you may remember the play.
Jones saw the whole thing and he threw it over the top of (Xavien) Howard to Nelson Agholor and Agholor, to me ... I don't think Agholor was truly part of the progression because I think it was meant to work inside. And Jones saw everything at the right speed. He never was outside the structure of his drop and the timing of the routes and he threw it over Howard kind of the trap corner to Agholor and you saw that week one. That's what Mac Jones is. To me, that's special. That's special for a rookie quarterback in Week 1. People tend to think of special as you know, when a guy runs around, that's when they think is special. I've been very fortunate from people I've learned the quarterback position from that special to me, is the nuance, the detail, the discipline craft element of the position. That's special. And I think Mack Jones is far more like that and can be even better as he just continues to grow and learn."
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