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http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/ny-spjets1212,0,3978329.story

BY TOM ROCK AND BOB GLAUBER | tom.rock@newsday.com
robert.glauber@newsday.com
11:54 PM EST, December 11, 2007

Sunday isn't only Jets vs. .Patriots. It could be Spy vs. Spy.

According to league sources familiar with the situation, the Jets were caught using a videotaping device during a game in Foxborough last season that resulted in the removal of a Jets employee. After Gillette Stadium officials saw him using the recorder early in the game, he was told to stop and leave the area. He had been filming from the mezzanine level between the scoreboard and a decorative lighthouse in an end zone. The camera was not confiscated by the Patriots or stadium security.

Tuesday night the Jets admitted that they did videotape the game and their employee was confronted, but said they had permission from the Patriots to film from that location.

"All filming at last year's Patriots game was done with pre-approval from the Patriots and in accordance with NFL rules," said Bruce Speight, the Jets' senior director of media relations.

The Jets played there twice, on Nov. 12 and again in a playoff game in January. There is disagreement over which of those games the Jets employee was told to stop filming. One source familiar with the Patriots' situation contended the filming occurred in the regular-season game; a source close to the Jets' situation contended it was the playoff game.

An NFL source told Newsday the league office is unaware of the incident, and that the Patriots did not bring it up during the investigation into the Jets' charges of illegal videotaping by the Patriots in September.

When rumors surfaced then about the Jets' videotaping the Patriots last year, Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum denied that any illegal videotaping occurred in an interview with Foxsports.com. "Absolutely no truth to that whatsoever," he said then. "Completely false."

A person familiar with the situation told Newsday Tuesday night that the Jets wanted to acquire a second end-zone angle for both games in Foxborough.

The Patriots declined to address the issue Tuesday night. "Our focus is on this Sunday's game, not on any other games," vice president of media relations Stacey James said.

Most people learned of the rules and consequences regarding videotaping from the sidelines from that season-opening situation. Jets security confiscated the camera and its contents, placed them in a sealed box and passed the evidence along to the NFL. Since then, the Jets have declined to comment on the issue, consistently calling it "a league matter." The subject came up again this week, with the Jets facing the Patriots Sunday. Jets coach Eric Mangini was asked several questions on the incident but would not answer.

Mangini was an assistant in New England for six years, a protégé of Bill Belichick who surely knew of the Patriots' .practices. He was a defensive backs coach who was elevated to defensive coordinator in 2005. In 2006 he was named Jets coach, sparking a feud that still lingers between him and Belichick and has by all accounts grown deeper in the aftermath of the cheating allegations.

The NFL launched an immediate investigation into the violation, and within a week commissioner Roger Goodell had watched the incriminating video and ruled on it.

Belichick was fined $500,000 and the Patriots were fined an additional $250,000. The Patriots also must surrender a first-round draft pick because they have made the playoffs.

Perhaps more costly was the tarnishing of a franchise that had a reputation as shiny as the three Lombardi Trophies it won in the last six years. Some have suggested that if the Patriots go undefeated this season, the 19-0 record should carry an asterisk.

NFL rules state "no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game." They also say all video for coaching .purposes must be shot from locations "enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead."

Those rules were in place prior to this year but were, according to the NFL, "re-emphasized" to coaches and general managers in a Sept. 6 memo.

After the incident against the Jets became public, other teams, including the Packers, claimed the Patriots had tried similar tactics with them. In those cases the videotaper was escorted from the sideline but the league was not officially notified. Several former players and coaches said they had long been aware of this kind of outside-the-rules espionage.

"I know for a fact there were various teams doing this, that's why the memo was sent to everybody," former NFL coach Jimmy Johnson said on Fox's pregame show in early September. "That doesn't make right, but a lot of teams are doing this."
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Of course the Jets were doing it. Who the hell trained Mangina? This is such a nothing subject that has been blown out of proportion. Honestly I am waiting for the first real investigative reporting that can explain what the unfair advantage is that this tape provided. Because honestly I can't really figure it out.
 
First round draft pick plz.
 
AAAAAAUUUUUUUGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:banghead:

Who cares? There's a football game in 5 days.
 
First Reaction - No kidding. Really? Shocking.....:jerkit:

Second Reaction - I'm glad the Pats didn't cry to mama about it.:crying:

Third reaction - I wonder what Mortenson will have to say about it.....then again, who cares?:shrug::moss:

Fourth Reaction - Can we get back to football now? I have been looking forward to this game for months....I don't want some sideshow story mucking it up.:mad:
 
if Eric the Rat had the chance to re-do the tattle tailing of SpyGate, I can promise you he would not do it again.

He was just trying to get the Patriots Employee kicked out like the Pats did to him. There is no way he wanted this Poop-storm to come down.
 
My question is who is this "report" from? League sources is such a vague term. I hate these ghost in the wind rumor stories that get people to later pass them off as truth.

Not saying it didn't happen but gah, where is the hard hitting investigative journalism? If my local fox25 can expose a massage sex ring, why the hell can't espn do a little digging?

Oh and the timing of the report....
 
Just a thought. Who here thinks the Patriots would be 13-0 right now without the spygate thing taking place? Was that the motivation that pushed this team all year, or are we giving that incident too much credit for the Patriots performance this year? I wonder if we would be playing at the FU level if it weren't for this incident. Of course, if it hadn't taken place and we had the same run, can you imagine having 2 first round picks this year. Damn.
 
So the Jets asked for permission, were doing it from a designated spot and didn't get anything confiscated and this is cheating?

Hmm...

Next time you cheat, please ask my permission in advance.

Straws. Grasping.

BZ
 
BwanaZulia on 12-12-2007 at 10:03 AM said:
So the Jets asked for permission, were doing it from a designated spot and didn't get anything confiscated and this is cheating?

Hmm...

Next time you cheat, please ask my permission in advance.

Straws. Grasping.

BZ
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Hey moron, the article was from a NY paper, not a Boston one. Enjoy your beating.
 
EasyBigFella* on 12-12-2007 at 10:13 AM said:
Hey moron, the article was from a NY paper, not a Boston one. Enjoy your beating.
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It also came from ESPN. It was posted here as "spying" which is the spin.

Sorry, but if you ask permission to "spy" it is not "spying".

BZ
 
BwanaZulia on 12-12-2007 at 10:18 AM said:
It also came from ESPN. It was posted here as "spying" which is the spin.

Sorry, but if you ask permission to "spy" it is not "spying".

BZ
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Just heard that the Pats are denying that they gave permission.
 
BwanaZulia on 12-12-2007 at 10:18 AM said:
It also came from ESPN. It was posted here as "spying" which is the spin.

Sorry, but if you ask permission to "spy" it is not "spying".

BZ
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They asked permission yet were told to stop. Hmmmm....perhaps the Jets are just trying to cover their asses. :shrug:

The one thing you're not acknowledging is that what BB was doing was common place in the NFL. Everyone knew that everyone else was doing it. Part of the game was trying to catch them and then stopping them. The other reality is that the tapes were useless to the team during that game. Just not enugh time to analyze and break it down. And if any coaching staff is too stupid to change up signals against a team they play on a regular basis, then shame on them.
 
BwanaZulia on 12-12-2007 at 10:03 AM said:
So the Jets asked for permission, were doing it from a designated spot and didn't get anything confiscated and this is cheating?

Hmm...

Next time you cheat, please ask my permission in advance.

Straws. Grasping.

BZ
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Yeah like the Jets are going to come out and say. Yeah they didn't give us permission but we went ahead and did it anyway.
I fully expect the Jets to come out and admit to it if this story is actually true. Cuz you know the Jests would never cheat or do shady things. They can not tell a lie.
 
It doesn't strike any of you a little strange that they can't even say WHICH game it was and that it is coming up at the LEAST a year later right before their game?

Smells fishy.

As for the everyone does it argument, it doesn't work. Tried in every court of America and still isn't valid. Try again.

BZ
 
BwanaZulia on 12-12-2007 at 10:18 AM said:
It also came from ESPN. It was posted here as "spying" which is the spin.

Sorry, but if you ask permission to "spy" it is not "spying".

BZ
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If they asked permision and got it, why did the Pats stop them???? Jet fans have nothing but spy gate to console them and their pathetic team......
 
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