Roberto71
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Maybe not for you, but I've been called names multiple times for even trying to discuss the topic.
Come on man! Name-calling??
Maybe not for you, but I've been called names multiple times for even trying to discuss the topic.
It has happen from both sides. Some topics people are just not able to discuss rationally regardless of what the topic is.Maybe not for you, but I've been called names multiple times for even trying to discuss the topic.
The issue is if Mac is going to be average to slightly above average then the team around him has to be great. To me that is the rub as that is not how Bill builds his teams. The team is not getting a Diggs or an Adams this off-season. If anything, the team is saying pat with the guys they signed last off-season and maybe draft a shifty slot guy.
Who the hell determines that it's good enough? Just because you have a bunch of assumptions and theories on how it could be good enough doesn't mean your right, nor does mean you get to set the terms of how long a topic should be discussed or in what context. You actually say in your comments that, "we've already discussed it at length, come to the conclusion it's not a huge issue and that in time Mac's arm strength will improve just like Brady's did. Problem solved." This, not to mention you are making these statements in thread that calls for direct comparison of Mac's skills to other QB's. Who the hell do you think you are?Actually we've been discussing his arm strength since before he was drafted. It was determined quickly that his arm strength is good enough even though it's not a rocket.
There's also a video posted yesterday by Curran with Tom House who said Mac's velocity can be increased significantly in 1 offseason if the Patriots want to do that. In the meanwhile, velocity can be mitigated by anticipation of his throws to a large extent but, agreed, not in every attempt that needs a tight window throw. Nevertheless, Mac did very well this year with his accuracy having B and C receivers by anticipating where the ball should be. He just needs to let it fly a quarter of a second sooner than Allen, that's all. Most of time he can do that as his completion % proves.
Yes we are fans. Some here have been Pats fans since the early '70s like me. What irks us is when people come on and accuse us of not recognizing issues when we've already discussed said issues and come to conclusions how those issues can be solved in time. So while Mac's velocity is a "real topic of discussion" for you, Grogan, we've already discussed it at length, come to the conclusion it's not a huge issue and that in time Mac's arm strength will improve just like Brady's did. Problem solved.
Watch the games from about week 9 on.
Can you reference specific interceptions that came outside the numbers due to an inability to drive the ball?
I mean this completely sincerely, by the way. I'm not trying to setup an "I gotcha!". It seems like a fairly simple request: If you recall Jones throwing INTs outside the numbers from week 9 and onward, name specific games and give folks a quarter.
The NFL posts 10-15 minute highlight videos on YouTube of every single game that is played these days. It should be very easy to track down the specific interceptions in question and provide a timestamp.
she won't update. she likely copy pasted that entire comment verbatim from somewhere and has 0 to back it up.Any update here? I would like to review Jones' INTs outside the numbers that you are referring to.
Off the top of my head, here are the two most glaring from the second half of the season.Any update here? I would like to review Jones' INTs outside the numbers that you are referring to.
He hit the rookie wall that time...some of it is that.Watch the games from about week 9 on.
Possibly but I think more of it was DCs figured him out.He hit the rookie wall that time...some of it is that.
That's possible...he's going to get better, I fully expect that.Possibly but I think more of it was DCs figured him out.
Who the hell determines that it's good enough? Just because you have a bunch of assumptions and theories on how it could be good enough doesn't mean your right, nor does mean you get to set the terms of how long a topic should be discussed or in what context. You actually say in your comments that, "we've already discussed it at length, come to the conclusion it's not a huge issue and that in time Mac's arm strength will improve just like Brady's did. Problem solved." This, not to mention you are making these statements in thread that calls for direct comparison of Mac's skills to other QB's. Who the hell do you think you are?
That's the sort of response Grogan is talking about... whoever this is calling me obtuse. Am I supposed to just let every insult go unanswered?"I constructed a poll to get a response I wanted and now that I didn't get it, it is only because people that agree with me are abstaining from voting".
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!
At least you are honest. Obtuse, but honest.
This is a bit arrogant. Like some committee here 1) decides what's relevant for debate and for how long and 2) that Mac's arm strength will improve just like Brady's. I know he moved onto Tampa Bay but have you seen Brady throw a football lately? Even at age 44 the velocity on his throws is quite noticeably faster than Mac's. Even with above expectation improvement Jones is very unlikely to approach Brady's peak arm strength.So while Mac's velocity is a "real topic of discussion" for you, Grogan, we've already discussed it at length, come to the conclusion it's not a huge issue and that in time Mac's arm strength will improve just like Brady's did. Problem solved.
This was a hideous pick.Week 16, Buffalo:
- The first interception came off a tip. The ball was thrown flat, over the middle, within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. A LB tipped the ball and it fell to a DB in the backfield. The throw was not downfield nor outside the numbers.
This was his most costly. Effectively ended their season.Wild-Card:
- The second interception was not downfield nor outside the numbers. It was a 5-yard quick out to Henry. The LB had good coverage and the throw was a bit inside. The ball was tipped and fell into a DB's lap. This wasn't a driven, downfield throw. The interception was the result of good coverage and Jones throwing a bit behind/inside.
That's a lie, you didn't join this conversation until about page 3, I went back and looked at every post where you were quoted and I saw zero posts where someone called you a name.Maybe not for you, but I've been called names multiple times for even trying to discuss the topic.
The issue is if Mac is going to be average to slightly above average then the team around him has to be great. To me that is the rub as that is not how Bill builds his teams. The team is not getting a Diggs or an Adams this off-season. If anything, the team is saying pat with the guys they signed last off-season and maybe draft a shifty slot guy.
Who the hell determines that it's good enough? Just because you have a bunch of assumptions and theories on how it could be good enough doesn't mean your right, nor does mean you get to set the terms of how long a topic should be discussed or in what context. You actually say in your comments that, "we've already discussed it at length, come to the conclusion it's not a huge issue and that in time Mac's arm strength will improve just like Brady's did. Problem solved." This, not to mention you are making these statements in thread that calls for direct comparison of Mac's skills to other QB's. Who the hell do you think you are?
I'm the guy that doesn't give a shit who you are, or the fact that you clearly think you know more than anyone else on the subject. The irony is I truly hope you're correct on all counts, but I'm not going to have you or anyone else dictate what valid discussion is on the matter. That's who I am.I'm a reasonable football fan who has been a fan and hobbyist since growing up in the shadow of Denny Stadium and Bear Bryant. I was born into a football crazy family. The first game I was taken to as a child had Bart Starr as QB for Bama when I was 5 yrs old. I still have a picture of him with my family on that day. I've followed football ever since. I remember every QB Bama had ever since...and I remember them well. From Pat Trammel to Namath to Stabler all the way to Mac and Bryce Young. I became a Pats fan the day they drafted John Hannah and I've been a Pats fan ever since.
That's who I am.
I've seen plenty of good QBs and bad ones. Mac is a good one. He proved it at Bama and he proved it this year as a rookie.
Now who the hell are you to ask me who I think I am?
imo can't truly judge a qb until after his third year starting. loose timeline.
year 1: take league by surprise
year 2: dcs take away what you do best, struggles
year 3: you show what you have been able to do to counteract that and become a great all around player.
You're the one claiming to have crystal ball, you know for a fact that Mac is going to become a great QB? TThank you your wonderful greatness. Please also enlighten us with tonights winning lottery numbers while you have your crystal ball out.
You must be so rich!