Interesting Article on RGIII

From your beloved Greg Cosell:

@caplannfl: .On today's podcast, @gregcosell on Andrew Luck: "He might already be the most gifted QB in the NFL": http://t.co/yxdBXA2UTF

Gifted =/ best, my friend. :archive:

I watched a lot of Luck and RG3 last year. RG3 was without a doubt the better of the two. Not even debatable, despite the issues Luck had to deal with. What people never seem to mention is how much RG3's running threat contributes to their OL and running successes last year. I can assure you that those same areas wouldn't look nearly as strong with a less athletic QB back there.

All that said, Luck is probably the one I'd choose to build around for the future simply for durability reasons.
 
Gifted =/ best, my friend. :archive:

I watched a lot of Luck and RG3 last year. RG3 was without a doubt the better of the two. Not even debatable, despite the issues Luck had to deal with. What people never seem to mention is how much RG3's running threat contributes to their OL and running successes last year. I can assure you that those same areas wouldn't look nearly as strong with a less athletic QB back there.

All that said, Luck is probably the one I'd choose to build around for the future simply for durability reasons.
Really? Not even debatable huh?
 
Really? Not even debatable huh?

Not unless the games I didn't see were totally different. :shrug_n:

I mean, anything is debatable, I guess. So, by that standard it is, but RG3 was significantly better in the games I saw. That isn't to say Luck wasn't very good, it's just that RG3 was the best rookie QB I've ever seen. Period.
 
Not unless the games I didn't see were totally different. :shrug_n:

I mean, anything is debatable, I guess. So, by that standard it is, but RG3 was significantly better in the games I saw. That isn't to say Luck wasn't very good, it's just that RG3 was the best rookie QB I've ever seen. Period.

If you reverse the names, this is basically my assessment of the situation. There were times last year I couldn't definitively say that he wasn't an xman.
 
If you reverse the names, this is basically my assessment of the situation. There were times last year I couldn't definitively say that he wasn't an xman.

You need to take those horseshoe glasses off and watch some of RG3's pre-injury games. :cool:
 
You need to take those horseshoe glasses off and watch some of RG3's pre-injury games. :cool:

I watched plenty of RG3 games. He was fantastic. Aside from Shanahans total lack of regard for his physical well being I'm assuming he's going to have a fantastic career. (I hope so anyway because I like him.)

But I'm not convinced Andrew's not a Jedi.
 
Gifted =/ best, my friend. :archive:

I watched a lot of Luck and RG3 last year. RG3 was without a doubt the better of the two. Not even debatable, despite the issues Luck had to deal with. What people never seem to mention is how much RG3's running threat contributes to their OL and running successes last year. I can assure you that those same areas wouldn't look nearly as strong with a less athletic QB back there.

All that said, Luck is probably the one I'd choose to build around for the future simply for durability reasons.


And yet there are plenty of people that would debate that, not just Colts fans.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...k-is-arguably-nfls-most-gifted-qb-says-cosell

:coffee:
 
Uhhhhh.... posted and responded to already.

I have a friend wager for you (and really anyone else who wants to take it)

100k casino cash that next season, barring injury, Luck will complete 68% of his passes and have a 2:1 td:int ratio.
 
I have a friend wager for you (and really anyone else who wants to take it)

100k casino cash that next season, barring injury, Luck will complete 68% of his passes and have a 2:1 td:int ratio.

I'll take that bet, too. $100K...done. :thumb:
 
I have a friend wager for you (and really anyone else who wants to take it)

100k casino cash that next season, barring injury, Luck will complete 68% of his passes and have a 2:1 td:int ratio.

68% might be a few points too high.

He'll be around 63% -65%.

Pep Hamilton's system will be much more qb freindly than the system Luck ran under Bruce Arians.

Luck will use both Fleener & Allen much more along with having a rb dump off option. Arians didn't really use the TE's, & they are both very good, nor did Arians employ any type of dump off routes for Luck.

Plus,Darrius Heyward-Bey, is significantly better than, Donnie Avery.

Reggie will be Reggie.

Last year, St. Ignatius HS, had a better OL than Indy. This year it looks to be vastly improved.
 
And yet there are plenty of people that would debate that, not just Colts fans.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...k-is-arguably-nfls-most-gifted-qb-says-cosell

:coffee:

But wait, there's more!

NFL.com names Luck the #1 QB under the age of 25:

Top 10 QBs 25 or under: Andrew Luck

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This is the age of the young quarterback. Buoyed by the draft class of 2012, we have a surplus of promising young signal-callers. Around The League and "NFL Total Access" will count down the top 10 quarterbacks 25 or under we'd want leading our franchise. No. 1. Andrew Luck, Indianapolis Colts


Why he's here


Luck showed it all as a rookie. He was asked to do more than any young quarterback in the league, and he responded. It's not about the numbers. Luck racked up yardage because he threw the ball a ton, but his efficiency waned late in the year. This ranking is about Luck's traits that will allow him to be a dominant force in the NFL for the next decade.
I'm a sucker for pocket movement. Luck is a virtuoso at avoiding the rush, buying extra time and then completing passes downfield. He has the most innate feel for this skill than any quarterback to enter the league since Tom Brady. But Brady, unlike Luck, doesn't also have the athleticism to match Cam Newton. (Just check their NFL Scouting Combine numbers; Luck and Newton couldn't be more similar physically. Luck is a big, fast man.)


These examples primarily were culled from one half of one game. Throw on any of Luck's rookie starts and the skill shows up. It's one that he had to display plenty because the Colts' pass protection was awful last year. It's a skill that helps set Luck apart.
Luck also adds value with his running abilities. Despite only 62 rushes, there is a strong argument to be made that Luck was one of the most valuable rushing quarterbacks in the NFL. He gained a first down on 55 percent of his runs. He converted more third downs on the ground than RG3. Luck had an uncanny ability to know just the right time to run.
Offensive coordinator Bruce Arians threw Luck into the deep end of the pool right away because Luck handled it. More than any young quarterback, he looked like a veteran going through his progressions. He played his best in the hurry-up, two-minute offense. He was not afraid to throw the ball into tight windows.



Top 10 QBs 25 or under: Andrew Luck

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  • By Gregg Rosenthal
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  • Updated: <abbr id="article-updatedtime" class="value" title="2013-05-31T20:00:09-0400"> May 31, 2013 at 08:00 p.m. </abbr>



This is the age of the young quarterback. Buoyed by the draft class of 2012, we have a surplus of promising young signal-callers. Around The League and "NFL Total Access" will count down the top 10 quarterbacks 25 or under we'd want leading our franchise. No. 1. Andrew Luck, Indianapolis Colts


Why he's here


Luck showed it all as a rookie. He was asked to do more than any young quarterback in the league, and he responded. It's not about the numbers. Luck racked up yardage because he threw the ball a ton, but his efficiency waned late in the year. This ranking is about Luck's traits that will allow him to be a dominant force in the NFL for the next decade.
I'm a sucker for pocket movement. Luck is a virtuoso at avoiding the rush, buying extra time and then completing passes downfield. He has the most innate feel for this skill than any quarterback to enter the league since Tom Brady. But Brady, unlike Luck, doesn't also have the athleticism to match Cam Newton. (Just check their NFL Scouting Combine numbers; Luck and Newton couldn't be more similar physically. Luck is a big, fast man.)


These examples primarily were culled from one half of one game. Throw on any of Luck's rookie starts and the skill shows up. It's one that he had to display plenty because the Colts' pass protection was awful last year. It's a skill that helps set Luck apart.
Luck also adds value with his running abilities. Despite only 62 rushes, there is a strong argument to be made that Luck was one of the most valuable rushing quarterbacks in the NFL. He gained a first down on 55 percent of his runs. He converted more third downs on the ground than RG3. Luck had an uncanny ability to know just the right time to run.
Offensive coordinator Bruce Arians threw Luck into the deep end of the pool right away because Luck handled it. More than any young quarterback, he looked like a veteran going through his progressions. He played his best in the hurry-up, two-minute offense. He was not afraid to throw the ball into tight windows.


The game never seemed too big for Luck at the NFL level. He acted liked he had been around for a long time. Where many quarterbacks saw dangerous throws, Luck saw opportunity.
What he can work on


Peyton Manning's skill set is very different than Luck's. But their biggest rookie issues were similar. Luck still needs to learn what risks are worth taking. He sometimes was too confident, too desperate to put a flawed team on his back. He could force throws that weren't there.


As quarterback flaws go, having "too much confidence" is a little like the guy who says in the job interview that his greatest flaw is "trying to do too much." That's ultimately what you want. Luck will learn his own limits and the strengths of NFL defenses as he matures.
There were mild concerns about Luck's arm strength coming into the draft. Those worries have been erased, even if he doesn't quite match up with Cam Newton, Colin Kaepernick or Robert Griffin III in this department. The bigger worry is Luck's overall accuracy, especially deep. Luck made an incredible amount of difficult throws, but he also had stretches where he missed plays. This was especially true late in the year when he did not play his best. Russell Wilson peaked in December. Luck played his worst at the end of the regular season.
Luck's floor


No young quarterback completed more "wow" plays than Luck last year. He finds a way to turn low-percentage situations into big plays with individual effort. He throws from any "platform" while moving to the left or right. The Colts allowed Luck to stay aggressive in nearly all situations.
I wanted to choose one of Luck's better last-minute drives to highlight before realizing there were at least five great ones to choose from. Whether it's the end of the first half or the game, Luck shows onions and intelligence in hurry-up situations.


A worst-case scenario for Luck's career involves the Colts organization struggling to build around him. It involves Luck failing to develop as expected and remaining a risk-taker that runs hot and cold. Even that scenario should make Luck a top-10 quarterback for a long time with many Pro Bowl selections to his name, but the hope is that he'll be much better than that.
Luck's ceiling


Placing Luck No. 1 is a projection. It's not about 2012; Robert Griffin III had a slightly better rookie year. It sounds strange to say, but RG3 and Russell Wilson almost feel like safer options. I believe Luck has the highest ceiling of the group, by a fraction.
You can make a strong argument that any of the quarterbacks in the top five of this list will be a future legend of the game. Luck is my favorite choice because he's already displayed all the attributes you want. It's easy to imagine how those skills will translate once Luck refines his game. I expect that rapid improvement to hit this season.


This young quarterback crop will help define the league in coming years. The debate over which young quarterback is the best will not be static. They are all talented enough to win MVPs and titles. They are all composed enough to take turns at the top of the mountain.
No matter what you think of Luck's placement at No. 1, this much is not up for debate: The NFL is in very good hands for the next decade.

Sounds like there actually is a debate. :coffee:
 
I have a friend wager for you (and really anyone else who wants to take it)

100k casino cash that next season, barring injury, Luck will complete 68% of his passes and have a 2:1 td:int ratio.

Done. Double or nothing on less than 65% and more INT than last season if you want it. :shrug_n:
 
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