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I gotta respect that, but I'd have a hard time being married to you- I absolutely require a wife that's willing to lie for me
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I gotta respect that, but I'd have a hard time being married to you- I absolutely require a wife that's willing to lie for me
Shocking.
Oh trust me you would more probable then not make it to the second date lol.
~Dee~
Again so if she would lie why not say I never took HGH:shrug_n:
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I don't know the details of this case, it's much to do about nothing my my opinion but I think she should get in front of a microphone and tell the world that she ordered the HGH, she used the HGH, and her husband didn't know anything about it.
PERIOD!
When you really like someone, it's easy to overlook their imperfections...I think
I agree with the first part the second part it depends on the imperfections:shrug_n:
~Dee~
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Well...I don't think it would be anything you'd sit and think about- If you have to ask yourself if you can live with it, you can't
I wouldn't have to think about it. I'm really really good at reading people just saying. You might even say I'm a pretty good profiler.
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I wouldn't have to think about it. I'm really really good at reading people just saying. You might even say I'm a pretty good profiler.
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Shit. Be right back... Gotta check my crawlspace.
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I wouldn't have to think about it. I'm really really good at reading people just saying. You might even say I'm a pretty good profiler.
~Dee~
I have nothing to hide......
You're ok I'm retired
~Dee~
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I have nothing to hide......
Then why lie?
~Dee~
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misdemeanors..
I'll tell ya a story though, one time I got in a fight with a cop, and he took a beating...He was off duty and the only people that saw it was me, him and his wife sittin in their car. Due to those circumstances I got way overcharged- I decided to represent myself, I asked for a jury trail and plead my case, from the heart. I was guilty, but long story short I was found innocent of all charges and after the trial the jury foreman, a nice little old lady came up to me and hugged me. She told me she was good at judging people and she could tell that I was a nice boy. We had a wonderful little chat by the elevator and I got on, and as the doors started closing she said "And don't do it again!"
lol
Again lying is never the right answer but most in the same situation would. Which is why I keep saying I would have way more respect if either manning would just tell the truth. I didn't take it from both or I took it as long as they aren't lying. Right now it's just Manning saying he didn't it would go a long way if Ashley shed some light on the subject. Respect and trust both admiral traits just saying.
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I once got in a fight with a cop, so I beat him up with another cop. That's right, I used a cop as a weapon to kick another cop's ass. Kind of a two-birds one-stone kinda thing.
This was in the Maldives, by the way, which is where I sometimes visit my 10th least-favorite vacation home.
This was in the Maldives, by the way, which is where I sometimes visit my 10th least-favorite vacation home.
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/01/...igation-into-al-jazeera-peyton-manningreport/
BOSTON (CBS) — Last year around this time, NFL employees were busy drumming up a “cheating scandal” by releasing false PSI numbers that made the New England Patriots and Tom Brady look very guilty for creating a scheme to deflate footballs in the AFC Championship Game. Thanks in very large part to that false information leaked by the NFL office, mass hysteria surrounded the Patriots for the full two weeks leading up to the Super Bowl.
Despite all the 24/7 coverage on TV and online last year — coverage which kept the NFL in the national spotlight leading up to the league’s biggest event of the year, and coverage which came at the expense of the reputation of one the most popular and accomplished players in football history — the NFL is apparently not quite as interested in repeating its behavior this year.
According to ESPN’s T.J. Quinn, Major League Baseball has joined forces with the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency to investigate the claims made by Al Jazeera last month about certain players receiving drugs. MLB is involved because Ryan Howard and Ryan Zimmerman were named in the report.
The NFL, according to Quinn, has declined to join their endeavor.
“Two lawyers familiar with the MLB/USADA investigation said the NFL declined to coordinate with the other two organizations,” Quinn reported. “The NFL has begun its own, mostly separate, investigation, although investigators in the two parallel efforts have communicated.”
Quinn did not use the word “independent,” and that was likely no mistake. The trumpeting of the “independence” of Ted Wells in his investigation was a great point of pride for commissioner Roger Goodell last year. That was, until Brady held his appeal hearing, at which point Wells cited attorney-client privilege in keeping all of his communications with the NFL a secret. Later, in Judge Richard Berman’s federal courtroom, the NFL admitted that it was never important for Wells to be independent. In Berman’s written ruling, which vacated the suspension imposed upon Brady, the judge placed quotes around the word “independent.” He also described the investigation as “supposedly independent.”
In the case of the Al Jazeera report, which claimed HGH was shipped to Peyton Manning’s house under his wife’s name, Quinn explained the benefits for both the USADA and MLB for joining forces, assets which the NFL has chosen to forego.
“The partnership offers obvious benefits for both MLB and USADA. MLB gets USADA’s institutional knowledge of the doping world, along with the quasi-governmental agency’s extensive contacts with law enforcement,” Quinn wrote. “USADA gets to participate in an investigation that involves the nation’s most powerful sports leagues, neither of which is under its jurisdiction.”
Curiously, the worst accusation Goodell and the NFL could make on the issue of letting air out of footballs was that it was on par with taking performance-enhancing drugs; hence, the four-game suspension for Brady. Leaving out Judge Berman’s incredulity that such a comparison could be made, the message from the NFL was clear: taking PEDs is a gross violation of the rules and a direct threat to the integrity of the game, and so punishment for that offense and any similar offense must be pursued at all costs. The integrity of the game, after all, was at stake.
Yet the NFL has been mighty quiet since Al Jazeera named Manning as an athlete to have human growth hormone shipped to his house, under his wife’s name, back in 2011, when the quarterback was recovering from neck surgeries.
Manning vehemently denied ever taking the drugs, though he never said the drugs were never shipped to his house.
“It makes me sick that it brings Ashley into it, her medical history, her medical privacy being violated,” Manning told ESPN after the Al Jazeera story broke. “That makes me sick. I don’t understand that.”
It’s a huge story — the NFL’s golden child caught up in a PED ring, along with Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers and James Harrison, among others — and if the headline came across news tickers that the NFL was joining MLB and the USADA in a joint investigation into the claims, it would no doubt find its way onto all of those national news programs which were convinced a year ago that air pressure being low in footballs constituted a cheating scandal.
The NFL has proven that if it wants such headlines to dominate the national news cycle, the league and the commissioner can make it happen in a flash. Yet from the very start, the NFL and its media entities have followed the Manning story in a significantly different fashion than they did the story about air pressure, and it looks as though the league would like nothing more than to have everyone in the country overlook this story as Manning readies for the Super Bowl.
BOSTON (CBS) — Last year around this time, NFL employees were busy drumming up a “cheating scandal” by releasing false PSI numbers that made the New England Patriots and Tom Brady look very guilty for creating a scheme to deflate footballs in the AFC Championship Game. Thanks in very large part to that false information leaked by the NFL office, mass hysteria surrounded the Patriots for the full two weeks leading up to the Super Bowl.
Despite all the 24/7 coverage on TV and online last year — coverage which kept the NFL in the national spotlight leading up to the league’s biggest event of the year, and coverage which came at the expense of the reputation of one the most popular and accomplished players in football history — the NFL is apparently not quite as interested in repeating its behavior this year.
According to ESPN’s T.J. Quinn, Major League Baseball has joined forces with the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency to investigate the claims made by Al Jazeera last month about certain players receiving drugs. MLB is involved because Ryan Howard and Ryan Zimmerman were named in the report.
The NFL, according to Quinn, has declined to join their endeavor.
“Two lawyers familiar with the MLB/USADA investigation said the NFL declined to coordinate with the other two organizations,” Quinn reported. “The NFL has begun its own, mostly separate, investigation, although investigators in the two parallel efforts have communicated.”
Quinn did not use the word “independent,” and that was likely no mistake. The trumpeting of the “independence” of Ted Wells in his investigation was a great point of pride for commissioner Roger Goodell last year. That was, until Brady held his appeal hearing, at which point Wells cited attorney-client privilege in keeping all of his communications with the NFL a secret. Later, in Judge Richard Berman’s federal courtroom, the NFL admitted that it was never important for Wells to be independent. In Berman’s written ruling, which vacated the suspension imposed upon Brady, the judge placed quotes around the word “independent.” He also described the investigation as “supposedly independent.”
In the case of the Al Jazeera report, which claimed HGH was shipped to Peyton Manning’s house under his wife’s name, Quinn explained the benefits for both the USADA and MLB for joining forces, assets which the NFL has chosen to forego.
“The partnership offers obvious benefits for both MLB and USADA. MLB gets USADA’s institutional knowledge of the doping world, along with the quasi-governmental agency’s extensive contacts with law enforcement,” Quinn wrote. “USADA gets to participate in an investigation that involves the nation’s most powerful sports leagues, neither of which is under its jurisdiction.”
Curiously, the worst accusation Goodell and the NFL could make on the issue of letting air out of footballs was that it was on par with taking performance-enhancing drugs; hence, the four-game suspension for Brady. Leaving out Judge Berman’s incredulity that such a comparison could be made, the message from the NFL was clear: taking PEDs is a gross violation of the rules and a direct threat to the integrity of the game, and so punishment for that offense and any similar offense must be pursued at all costs. The integrity of the game, after all, was at stake.
Yet the NFL has been mighty quiet since Al Jazeera named Manning as an athlete to have human growth hormone shipped to his house, under his wife’s name, back in 2011, when the quarterback was recovering from neck surgeries.
Manning vehemently denied ever taking the drugs, though he never said the drugs were never shipped to his house.
“It makes me sick that it brings Ashley into it, her medical history, her medical privacy being violated,” Manning told ESPN after the Al Jazeera story broke. “That makes me sick. I don’t understand that.”
It’s a huge story — the NFL’s golden child caught up in a PED ring, along with Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers and James Harrison, among others — and if the headline came across news tickers that the NFL was joining MLB and the USADA in a joint investigation into the claims, it would no doubt find its way onto all of those national news programs which were convinced a year ago that air pressure being low in footballs constituted a cheating scandal.
The NFL has proven that if it wants such headlines to dominate the national news cycle, the league and the commissioner can make it happen in a flash. Yet from the very start, the NFL and its media entities have followed the Manning story in a significantly different fashion than they did the story about air pressure, and it looks as though the league would like nothing more than to have everyone in the country overlook this story as Manning readies for the Super Bowl.
While the article is great its not entirely true. The USADA is working with the NFL and the MBL just not jointly.
USADA helping NFL in Manning HGH probe - usatoday.com
It wouldn't shock me if the USADA was already investigating someone named in the documentary already. Could they, someone within the USDA, be the second source and why they must remain anonymous?
~Dee~
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That is what makes this story so interesting. Al-J never set out to target US sports leagues. They were targeting the Olympics and Sly starting dropping MLB and NFL names including Manning. That is what IMO makes the story so credible in terms of Manning. It is not like Al-J set out to smear him. He came up by accident via Sly. The USADA and MLB will get to the bottom of it with or without the NFL's help/co-op.
The bolded is a very interesting choice of wording. If Ashley Manning never took or was prescribed HGH it wouldn't be invading her medical privacy:shrug_n:
Manning had a career ending injury.
He came back from it and played like he was on HGH.
The HGH was in his house!!!
There is nothing BS about this story.
He is guilty until he proves his way out of it.
This is not a case of reinventing Physics.
This guy looks, smells, and played like he is guilty.
Good for him his puppet is calling the game next Sunday (Nantz)
I loved when he had 3 TDs 7 picks in the playoffs and was the 9th best Colt in the game and Nantz worshiped him after. (worst game day MVP in SB history)
Nantz pretending the AJ allegation did not exist in the following Bronco's game was up to his typical D- quality broadcasting.
He came back from it and played like he was on HGH.
The HGH was in his house!!!
There is nothing BS about this story.
He is guilty until he proves his way out of it.
This is not a case of reinventing Physics.
This guy looks, smells, and played like he is guilty.
Good for him his puppet is calling the game next Sunday (Nantz)
I loved when he had 3 TDs 7 picks in the playoffs and was the 9th best Colt in the game and Nantz worshiped him after. (worst game day MVP in SB history)
Nantz pretending the AJ allegation did not exist in the following Bronco's game was up to his typical D- quality broadcasting.
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hmmmmmmmmmmm...very interesting indeed.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-investigators-looked-into-al-jazeera-source/
Peyton’s private investigators looked into Al Jazeera source
Posted by Michael David Smith on February 4, 2016, 11:30 PM EST
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As Peyton Manning fights back against the Al Jazeera documentary that suggested he used human growth hormone in violation of NFL rules, private investigators are on the case.
The Washington Post reports that two men hired by Manning’s lawyers visited the parents of the documentary’s main source, Charlie Sly, before the documentary aired. Those two men were looking for Sly in an attempt to discredit the documentary. Sly’s parents were concerned enough that they called 911 and reported the two men.
Sly has since renounced everything he said in the documentary, which filmed him without his knowledge. Sly now claims he was just trying to make himself sound important when he claimed to have information about Manning and other athletes receiving performance-enhancing drugs.
Manning has denied ever using HGH and has declined to discuss whether his wife used the substance.
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wapo article link referred to above.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...da2f04-cb05-11e5-a7b2-5a2f824b02c9_story.html
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-investigators-looked-into-al-jazeera-source/
Peyton’s private investigators looked into Al Jazeera source
Posted by Michael David Smith on February 4, 2016, 11:30 PM EST
Denver Broncos v Houston Texans
Getty Images
As Peyton Manning fights back against the Al Jazeera documentary that suggested he used human growth hormone in violation of NFL rules, private investigators are on the case.
The Washington Post reports that two men hired by Manning’s lawyers visited the parents of the documentary’s main source, Charlie Sly, before the documentary aired. Those two men were looking for Sly in an attempt to discredit the documentary. Sly’s parents were concerned enough that they called 911 and reported the two men.
Sly has since renounced everything he said in the documentary, which filmed him without his knowledge. Sly now claims he was just trying to make himself sound important when he claimed to have information about Manning and other athletes receiving performance-enhancing drugs.
Manning has denied ever using HGH and has declined to discuss whether his wife used the substance.
---------- Post added at 11:45 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:44 PM ----------
wapo article link referred to above.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...da2f04-cb05-11e5-a7b2-5a2f824b02c9_story.html
Looks like the Manninhgh story's legs are getting longer every day.
Manninhgh's crisis management team was ready to roll days before the Al J documentary aired. 2 PIs dressed in black trench coats show up at Sly's parents' house but not to influence Sly to recant - we're supposed to believe that? - and 2 days later he did recant. Fleischer is in full spin mode.
Kubiak said 2 days ago that Manninhgh's arm is the strongest it has been all year. HGH is detectable for only 2 hours by the NFL's current testing methods. I don't have to guess why Manninhgh's arm is strong again but I'd like to know where Ashley is getting her HGH from now that Guyer is under scrutiny. I'm betting Mexico.